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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:29 AM Jun 2017

Julian Assange: Democratic Party 'Doomed' Because Collusion Narrative Is a 'Political Dead-End'

by Ken Meyer | 6:57 pm, June 24th, 2017

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange posted a Twitter statement on Saturday, writing that the Democratic Party will meet its death once it becomes clear that Donald Trump did not win the presidency by colluding with Russian election-meddling.

< .@WikiLeaks‘ editor @JulianAssange on why the US Democratic party is doomed: pic.twitter.com/R4Ds630aRf

— Julian Assange (@JulianAssange) June 24, 2017 >

As investigations continue into Russia’s actions, Assange blasted the Democrat party elite for creating a narrative of “hysteria” to maintain control over their remaining political power. After slamming Democrats for their strategic choices in recent years, Assange concluded that the party will be “doomed” once the Russia investigation determines there’s no incriminating evidence on Trump:

< “The Trump-Russia collusion narrative is a political dead end. Despite vast resources, enormous incentives and a year of investigation, Democratic senators who have seen the classified intelligence at CIA HQ such as Senator Feinstein (as recently as March) are forced to admit that there is no evidence of collusion. Without collusion, we are left with the Democratic establishment blaming the public for not liking the truth about what Hillary Clinton said to Goldman Sachs and blaming their own base for not liking what they said in their own emails about about fixing the DNC primaries.” >

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Julian Assange: Democratic Party 'Doomed' Because Collusion Narrative Is a 'Political Dead-End' (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2017 OP
Pay attention to MEEEEEEEEEE! Chasstev365 Jun 2017 #1
Exactly! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #4
Yep! Miserable and pathetic. I hope Lasso kicks him out pretty soon. AgadorSparticus Jun 2017 #40
Great user name! 😅 Chasstev365 Jun 2017 #45
I think that most folks don't know what collusion means greymattermom Jun 2017 #2
#1, why is he concerned? sarah FAILIN Jun 2017 #3
Nice that he could pause in his busy rape schedule to comment on this for us Orrex Jun 2017 #5
IOW, Assange wants dessert with his dinner, and is pleading with Putin to send him Eyeball_Kid Jun 2017 #6
Coward. GeorgeGist Jun 2017 #7
Mr. Ass guilty AF. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #8
More reason to investigate COLLUSION, or is that just locker room talk? L. Coyote Jun 2017 #9
Why, SURELY Mr. Putileaks has our best interests in mind when saying this... JHB Jun 2017 #10
Says the guy under house arrest for 5 years... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #11
I read elsewhere that this is the problem with Mueller's investigation. jalan48 Jun 2017 #12
I think you are right, unfortunately loyalsister Jun 2017 #15
Claude Taylor says that NY is going after Trump for everything, collusion, Mafia, his kids, etc Not Ruth Jun 2017 #28
Great to hear. Thanks! jalan48 Jun 2017 #37
Mueller's team includes organized crime, financial fraud and counterterrorism csziggy Jun 2017 #32
I hope the lot of them end up wishing they'd never been born. Pass the butter... Hekate Jun 2017 #35
I want the entire Trump cabal to end up living in the dirt csziggy Jun 2017 #36
I want Charles Koch and his allies to be slapped into lonely, Hortensis Jun 2017 #50
Thanks for the links-I will check them out. jalan48 Jun 2017 #38
"Elsewhere" got it wrong. Watch Rachel Maddow and keep up. Mueller has assembled an amazing... Hekate Jun 2017 #34
I don't have cable so I can't rely on Maddow. Glad to hear Mueller is able to disclose Trump's jalan48 Jun 2017 #39
It's not going to be *solely* about anything. It's a tangled web. Hekate Jun 2017 #46
Oh, what a tangled web........ jalan48 Jun 2017 #47
Really don't think so. Mueller didn't take on another 13 Hortensis Jun 2017 #48
I hope you are right-if so-drinks all around! jalan48 Jun 2017 #63
Also sprach Assange... MineralMan Jun 2017 #13
Oh good, let's run with it then. ucrdem Jun 2017 #14
He is a Russian Asset. There is no reason to broadcast his BS . . . . . n/t annabanana Jun 2017 #16
why don't you come out on the street and say that to our faces, Julian? Takket Jun 2017 #17
lol Cha Jun 2017 #18
Assange ... Name sounds vaguely familiar ... Wait ... It'll come to me ... struggle4progress Jun 2017 #19
I hope that the Ecuadorians get tired of this POS and kick him out of their embassy. Beacool Jun 2017 #20
Hannity's BFF says what? nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #21
He's Putin's bitch, along with Eddie. roamer65 Jun 2017 #22
Julian, you are dead wrong. This isn't a political investigation. Mr. Ected Jun 2017 #23
Who? Oh yeah, that guy. hunter Jun 2017 #24
That piece of shit rapist can take his political opinions somewhere else Tiggeroshii Jun 2017 #25
Julian who? Rapist Russian agent says what? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #26
Mr. Assange has ZERO CREDIBILITY Skittles Jun 2017 #27
Without collusion we are left with Russian Wikileaks collusion for sure. Russia still hacked our nikibatts Jun 2017 #29
Too late, Julian. Trump just blamed Obama for not stopping it!! Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #30
Julian Asshole. Oh, was that my outside of my head voice? He lives to damage the gullible... Hekate Jun 2017 #31
Did he say it in Russian? regnaD kciN Jun 2017 #33
This guy is so full of shit. Please find the closest CIA agent you little rapist. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #41
At this point does Putin just stick his arm up Assange's butt and wiggle the mouth? Johonny Jun 2017 #42
Who? Blue_Adept Jun 2017 #43
Guilty man says what? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #44
A self-aggrandizing Russian tool of an attention whore says what? hatrack Jun 2017 #49
How much is Putin/Koch bros paying workinclasszero Jun 2017 #51
Dear Julian: Go Fuck Yourself. DinahMoeHum Jun 2017 #52
Who cares what Assange thinks about anything? Gothmog Jun 2017 #53
Follow the money. n/t DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #54
I care what a rapist thinks. Not even a tiny bit. onecaliberal Jun 2017 #55
Impressive, DonViejo. He used to have admirers here, & not one has shown up in this thread. Hekate Jun 2017 #56
Why is Julian Assange so fond of Trump?? Vinca Jun 2017 #57
Meh. Trump's attacks on the intelligence community R B Garr Jun 2017 #58
He is probably working for the Russians, he tried what he could to injure the DNC during the Thinkingabout Jun 2017 #59
Probably? BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #61
From the power-tripping little shit who has to live like a mushroom. VOX Jun 2017 #60
WHO in fuck's name asked HIM? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #62

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
1. Pay attention to MEEEEEEEEEE!
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:32 AM
Jun 2017

Julian: nobody cares what you think and even if they did, you have zero credibility!

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
2. I think that most folks don't know what collusion means
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:36 AM
Jun 2017

and so their response is "so what". Wait for Mueller and start talking about what medicaid really does.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,410 posts)
6. IOW, Assange wants dessert with his dinner, and is pleading with Putin to send him
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:42 AM
Jun 2017

a special order, delivered to the Equadoran embassy. Chocolate cake with two scoops, perhaps?

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
12. I read elsewhere that this is the problem with Mueller's investigation.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:55 AM
Jun 2017

It's all about collusion with the Russians and not about Trump's financial irregularities while he was a private citizen. If collusion cannot be proven to involve Trump the investigation will come to an end with only minor players taking the heat. If I have this wrong I'm open to being corrected.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
15. I think you are right, unfortunately
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jun 2017

Even if the investigation is productive, the people involved are not fools. And, I have no doubt that there could easily be lessons from Nixon, or even Clinton, used to protect their​ agenda.
We know the principle of ignorance is no excuse, however it could minimize the accusation in the eyes of the public. "It is not convincing without tapes," and without malice or intent it does not reach the high crime and misdemeanor threshold..... are narratives that could easily emerge.
Without a public outcry, this could go down as a typical presidential scandal.
I think jumping too fast may not be productive.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
28. Claude Taylor says that NY is going after Trump for everything, collusion, Mafia, his kids, etc
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:15 PM
Jun 2017

All state crimes, not federal. But that it will take a long time, maybe years.

Louise Mensch has reported that there are unsealed indictments against Trump and that the Marshal of the Supreme Court has informed Trump that he is being impeached.

Mueller is small potatoes compared to that.

csziggy

(34,120 posts)
32. Mueller's team includes organized crime, financial fraud and counterterrorism
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:29 PM
Jun 2017

I suspect Mueller will be looking at everything in detail.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A look at special counsel Robert Mueller's team of lawyers
By eric tucker, associated press
WASHINGTON — Jun 21, 2017, 12:06 PM ET

At the top is Robert Mueller, who spent 12 years as director of the FBI before retiring from the bureau in 2013. He left the WilmerHale law firm last month to serve as special counsel in charge of the investigation.

The group he's already assembled — with experience in international organized crime and the fundamentals of criminal and national security law — suggests he's prepared to dig deep in a wide-ranging and probably lengthy investigation.

ANDREW WEISSMANN: The veteran Justice Department prosecutor brings years of experience in complex financial fraud cases, corporate misconduct and organized crime.

LISA PAGE: Page is a former trial attorney in the Justice Department's organized crime and gang section.

JEANNIE RHEE: Another WilmerHale partner, Rhee focused in private practice on representing people in government investigations, including white-collar criminal probes and criminal and civil fraud matters.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/special-counsel-robert-muellers-team-lawyers-48184171
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Michael Dreeben
Dreeben, the deputy solicitor general overseeing the Department of Justice's criminal docket, is widely regarded as one of the top criminal law experts in the federal government. He will work for Mueller on the investigation part-time as he juggles the DOJ's criminal appellate cases.

Aaron Zebley
Zebley is a longtime FBI staffer who spent years in the counterterrorism division as a special agent before becoming the agency’s chief of staff under Mueller's leadership.

http://www.businessinsider.com/lawyers-robert-mueller-hired-for-the-trump-russia-investigation-2017-6/#aaron-zebley-5
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One of the more recent recruits is reported to be Lisa Page, a justice department trial attorney with a substantial record of investigating Russian and former Soviet organised crime and in particular its reputed godfather, Semion Mogilevich.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/15/robert-mueller-trump-russia-investigation-team-members
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csziggy

(34,120 posts)
36. I want the entire Trump cabal to end up living in the dirt
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:06 AM
Jun 2017

And the Republican Party to be scrounging around for their leftovers. I want the Trump brand to be forever corroded so badly that no one will ever want to touch it again.

I'll take some more butter, too!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. I want Charles Koch and his allies to be slapped into lonely,
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:21 PM
Jun 2017

defeated old men by a proud democratic nation that turns the frightening danger they pose into an inevitable downfall of a briefly ascendant billionaire class.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
34. "Elsewhere" got it wrong. Watch Rachel Maddow and keep up. Mueller has assembled an amazing...
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:56 PM
Jun 2017

...legal team, and he is going to Follow the Money, Honey. Why is that? Because Putin and the Oligarchs bought Trump's whole family for cash on the barrelhead.

For someone who was born and raised during the Cold War, this has been a bit hard to wrap my head around. Betrayal of country in those days was about ideology on the whole. Oh of course there were some who were blackmailed and some who did it for money, but the ideological lines were clear.

When people say that "Trump is not ideological" it eventually becomes clear that he has no allegiance to our country. His allegiance is to himself, his money, his ego, and his family. Money and the notoriety it can buy are what drives him.

In the 21st Century it is all so simple for Vladimir Putin. Oh sure the old KGB man keeps his hand in with kompromat files and losers like Greenwald, Assange, and Snowden, who think they are doing the world a favor. But with Trump and people like him? It's only money and the money flows like water, with Putin controlling the tap.

Trump sold out our democracy for nothing more than money. Don't kid yourself -- following the money will lead straight to the treason.

And I wish we still hanged traitors.

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
39. I don't have cable so I can't rely on Maddow. Glad to hear Mueller is able to disclose Trump's
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:01 AM
Jun 2017

financial irregularities. Making the investigation solely about collusion smells of a cover-up to me.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Really don't think so. Mueller didn't take on another 13
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:08 PM
Jun 2017

top-drawer attorneys to close down the investigation he'd just opened into the financial side. Lots of the "leaks" this month were people telling others they'd been interviewed or subpoenaed by the JD.

These investigations have been likened to unraveling a sweater, start pulling at Kushner, for instance, and keep pulling, seeing where each new revelation leads. And I'm guessing also like occasionally grabbing a very, very big knife and slashing it apart.

struggle4progress

(118,041 posts)
19. Assange ... Name sounds vaguely familiar ... Wait ... It'll come to me ...
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 08:59 PM
Jun 2017

Isn't he the guy who went looking for a child -prostitution ring in the basement of a pizza parlor with no basement?

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
20. I hope that the Ecuadorians get tired of this POS and kick him out of their embassy.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:48 PM
Jun 2017

He's another creep who helped to get Trump into the WH. I will never forgive anyone who either colluded, voted for Trump, stayed home or decided that they were too "pure" to vote for Hillary last November. They can all rot in Hell as far as I'm concerned.



Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
23. Julian, you are dead wrong. This isn't a political investigation.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:57 PM
Jun 2017

This is a counter-intelligence, criminal investigation that just so happens to have about 100 crooked Republicans in its sights.

Don't let them control the narrative. The Republicans have spent generations on witch hunts. This isn't a witch hunt.

This is patriotism. This is the Constitution. This is a battle for the very integrity of our basic underpinnings.

hunter

(38,264 posts)
24. Who? Oh yeah, that guy.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:02 PM
Jun 2017

I'm surprised they haven't put roofies in his dinner, stuffed him into a diplomatic pouch, and thrown him into the ditch at the side of a road somewhere on the way to the airport.

Be free, Julian, be free!

You could have escaped by now digging toward the sewer with a table spoon.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
29. Without collusion we are left with Russian Wikileaks collusion for sure. Russia still hacked our
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:25 PM
Jun 2017

election and Trump is still an illegitimate President running a corrupt regime from our WH. The fact the Assange is posting this means we must be closer than we think to charging some of Trump's campaign.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
31. Julian Asshole. Oh, was that my outside of my head voice? He lives to damage the gullible...
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:28 PM
Jun 2017

...and concomitantly he lives to damage the US.

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
33. Did he say it in Russian?
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:36 PM
Jun 2017

Seriously, if you're going to take Assange as an impartial analyst, why not Pootie-Poot?

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
53. Who cares what Assange thinks about anything?
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:54 PM
Jun 2017

The man is a russian puppet and why would any member of the Democratic party care what he thinks? I was amused to see that the JPR idiots take Assange seriously

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
56. Impressive, DonViejo. He used to have admirers here, & not one has shown up in this thread.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jun 2017

I'm sure they're around someplace...

Crickets

Vinca

(50,170 posts)
57. Why is Julian Assange so fond of Trump??
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 03:33 PM
Jun 2017

True, they've both been accused of sexual assault, but there must be more than that. Big pay day from the Russians maybe?

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
58. Meh. Trump's attacks on the intelligence community
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jun 2017

will be revenged. You can't globally attack and humiliate our own government without some payback.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
59. He is probably working for the Russians, he tried what he could to injure the DNC during the
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 03:41 PM
Jun 2017

campaign. It's is their game, the whole bunch.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
60. From the power-tripping little shit who has to live like a mushroom.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 04:55 PM
Jun 2017

Because he is a much-loved conduit for Russian propaganda and cyberwarfare.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
62. WHO in fuck's name asked HIM?
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 05:03 PM
Jun 2017

1. He knows jack fucking shit about politics (SEE: WikiLeaks Party and their 'coalition' with some fringe fascists)

2. He isn't American...

3. He doesn't vote...

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