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Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:05 PM

TPM - Marshall - "The WaPo Obstruction Blockbuster and the World of Hurt To Come"

(Please let it be so....a huge world of hurt for trumper and all of his trumpettes)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-wapo-obstruction-blockbuster-and-the-world-of-hurt-to-come

By JOSH MARSHALL Published JUNE 14, 2017 8:51 PM

After marveling at the lede of this new Washington Post bombshell – Mueller investigating Trump for obstruction of justice – I went back and read the whole piece again. You would think that news would be enough for a single piece. But when you read it all the way through the picture it paints is actually considerably more dire.

One key point is that Mueller did not start this obstruction investigation. According to the Post, that probe began “days after Comey was fired on May 9…” Mueller was appointed on May 17th. Reading the Post piece closely, I do not think it explicitly says that the probe began prior to the 17th. But the wording and logic of the piece strongly suggests that is the case.

One key point I draw from this is that it was clear to people at the DOJ and FBI almost from the beginning that this was a potential case of obstruction of justice. That makes me consider who then was in place to make such a decision. Once James Comey was fired, the acting Director of the FBI was Andrew McCabe, who remains in that role. If my surmise about the chronology is correct, Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein remained in charge of the Russia probe. Thus I think he would have been acting in Attorney General Sessions’ stead to make the decision to authorize such a probe.

This last point isn’t crystal clear to me since this would not necessarily have been considered part of the Russia investigation. In any case, you do not begin such an investigation of a sitting President except at the very highest level. That decision apparently came quickly. We can note here that soon after Comey’s firing Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein made statements suggesting that he may have been a witness to something that could be construed as a crime. If my memory serves, McCabe did as well. They are the two logical people to have signed off on an investigation at that point.

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this is long, and very worthwhile reading all of it - see the link above

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Reply TPM - Marshall - "The WaPo Obstruction Blockbuster and the World of Hurt To Come" (Original post)
NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 OP
NightWatcher Jun 2017 #1
Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #2
Stuart G Jun 2017 #3
The_jackalope Jun 2017 #4
asiliveandbreathe Jun 2017 #5
marylandblue Jun 2017 #6
yardwork Jun 2017 #13
regnaD kciN Jun 2017 #7
NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #8
dalton99a Jun 2017 #9
oasis Jun 2017 #10
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #11
L. Coyote Jun 2017 #12
SergeStorms Jun 2017 #14
sofa king Jun 2017 #15
bresue Jun 2017 #16
orangecrush Jun 2017 #17
Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #18

Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:08 PM

1. I knew he was under investigation when Comey said he went above Sessions

and he did so because he knew that Sessions (and trump, imho) were tied into the investigation.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:15 PM

2. Great read...

If you look at who Meuller has brought onboard to assist in the investigation and their areas of expertise, Marshall's theory makes a helluva lot of sense. This could get even more interesting.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:20 PM

3. Thanks for posting...k and r.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:21 PM

4. I think Trumpworld shifted uneasily on its axis today. nt

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:31 PM

5. Do you suppose that with the financial investigation that the drumpf will

resign...considering he has refused to release his tax returns - his all out effort to hold close his ties to foreign money influence??? So many are of the opinion - FOLLOW THE MONEY -

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Response to asiliveandbreathe (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:35 PM

6. Too late for that.

He's caught. If he resigns, he'll still be prosecuted. He'll only resign if he strikes a pardon deal with Pence.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 15, 2017, 10:55 PM

13. Pence is in this up to his eyeballs.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:46 PM

7. The thing is, we don't even need witnesses to support an obstruction charge...

...as Trump has essentially confessed to doing so multiple times, in public.

I think the real question is going to come down to whether the DoJ, courts, etc. change the common-yet-never-tested assumption that a sitting president can't face criminal charges while in office. If that is upheld, the only immediate remedy is impeachment. Since the Republicans will never go along with that, no matter how damning the evidence, Trump is likely to remain in power, and can use his pardon-issuing authority to make sure any other charges are rendered moot as welll. OTOH, if it is now ruled that President Trump may have to spend his term "in the dock," it may change a lot...

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Thu Jun 15, 2017, 12:12 AM

8. giving this a kick

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Thu Jun 15, 2017, 12:25 AM

9. Very nice article.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Thu Jun 15, 2017, 01:57 AM

10. Obstructor in Chief is going down.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Thu Jun 15, 2017, 07:39 AM

11. All worth reading - right to the bottom about financial crimes

Josh Marshall points out the WP wrote:

“Mueller is overseeing a host of investigations involving people who are or were in Trump’s orbit, people familiar with the probe said. The investigation is examining possible contacts with Russian operatives as well as any suspicious financial activity related to those individuals.”

and gives an example of how for Trump, suspicious financial activity is Business As Usual - citing the self-dealing by the Trump Foundation that David Fahrenthold uncovered, just as a journalist. A formal investigation can get a hell of a lot more financial records.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Thu Jun 15, 2017, 11:04 AM

12. days after Comey was fired on May 9 DU was all over this already:

Any bets on whether or not Comey was one of the 30,000 views of this DU mega-thread?

Trump's New Impeachable Offenses: Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy, Abuse of Power

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 05:50 AM

14. But, but...........

HILLARY!

Why isn't Hillary being investigated for the things SHE did? Why are they investigating the things Trump didn't even do, even if he intended not to do them, after not doing the things the he intended not to do? Sad!

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 10:53 AM

15. It's nice to see, but...

... Remember that when Republicans investigate themselves, nothing happens. Ever. Not once.

Remember how Patrick Fitzgerald was going to sink the entire Bush Administration for burning a CIA agent and exposing all the NOCs within the nuclear weapons proliferation team? That's how this is going to go.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 11:06 AM

16. I agree...and want to speculate that Rosenstein was too clever to produce a document

that would leave him so exposed without first seeking outside council. When he was asked to produce the document...he had to have went outside the WH and discussed with other high people (Comey did when he felt uncomfortable with Dump's requests).

Maybe their advice was to let it play out...and then take Dump down. Just a thought!

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:04 PM

17. Great article

Thank you!

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 05:52 PM

18. This makes Trump's tweet make more sense.

Remember when Trump tweeted "I'm being investigated for firing Comey by the one who told me to fire Comey!" To me, that meant Rosenstein. Not much was talked about that tweet at the time, but I didn't understand it, because as far as I'd heard, there was no investigation of Trump by Rosenstein.

Maybe Trump was referring to the Russia investigation, but the Russia investigation is not an investigation of Trump, and it's not for firing Comey.

So Trump must have learned that Rosenstein was investigating him for obstruction? This was news to me, then I forgot about it. Until now.

ALSO...I was wondering about how fast Rosenstein decided WHO to appoint as Special Counsel. It was just days after Comey was fired. Then it was announced that Mueller would leave his firm and bring 2 associates with him, etc. All that leads me to think that there must have been discussions with Mueller going on for some time.

So I'm wondering if Rosenstein got busy on this the moment he was directed to write a memo giving reasons to fire Comey. But then, why did Rosenstein do a memo that crucifies Comey and implies he should be fired?

Is this Rosenstein trying to do whatever it takes to keep his own job? Or a dedictated Deputy AG trying to do the right thing? In any case, the Special Counsel is investigating Trump for obstruction because of the Flynn statements to Comey and other things.

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