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(92,060 posts)wasn't that much of an African American showing
JI7
(89,239 posts)Unless it's a state without many AA.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This is an indication of how Sanders would have fared in these states if he had been the Democratic nominee. He had no chance to contest Virginia, Pennsylvania, the Carolinas, Georgia or Florida against Trump. That alone would have doomed his chances.
still_one
(92,060 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)They were dragged down by the top of the ticket. I would disagree with that but knowing those folks I am 100% certain that is the argument they would use.
Of course we see differently now, now that there is no Hillary upon whom to lay the blame for their defeats.
still_one
(92,060 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Ran close in all of them against Trump, won Virginia.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)he candidacy with 11 days to go in the election.
QC
(26,371 posts)which is why it's odd to see so many Democrats singing his praises.
I can understand "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and building him up now is smart, and he clearly has his good qualities, but he's not a friend to Democrats.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)How is it you can't understand that people can oppose Trump's obstruction of justice in firing Comey and Comey's interference in the election?
QC
(26,371 posts)The ones celebrating his lovely family and all that.
I agree that one can disagree with his interference in the election and also disagree with obstruction of justice. That's what thinkers do. Others act like superfanz. That's just silly.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)FB friends. I've never seen anything like that.
QC
(26,371 posts)or at least profess to be.
And in fairness, Comey is pretty much a choirboy next to Trump, though that's not saying much.
It's useful to support him now, in a tactical sense, but the FBI has always been pretty right wing. Hoover made sure of that.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)nikibatts
(2,198 posts)mcar
(42,278 posts)Glad to see it.
Cha
(296,778 posts)Mahalo, mcar
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)to turn out.
Cha
(296,778 posts)renegade000
(2,301 posts)One of the things that turned me against Sanders during the primary was comments by his campaign surrogates that Clinton's primary wins in VA and other southern states didn't matter because we were part of the "Old Confederacy." This was a big middle finger to southern Democrats and African American voters in particular. I mean you wouldn't dismiss a German social democrat's political opinions by saying, "well your view doesn't matter because you're from the old Third Reich!"
Cha
(296,778 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)The main thing that seemed to effect them was the fake email scandal.
And, of course, Bernie also won over a lot of other voters based on the positions he took on the issues.
Bill Bradley ran to the left of Al Gore. But the group he did best with was self-identified conservative Democrats.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)We must be reaching out to those Independents and Republicans instead....
ananda
(28,831 posts).. but African Americans do not seem to like Sanders.
Geez! Sanders is a really good guy when it comes to
my own true Democratic values, which means a good
life for everyone.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)issues (civil rights and abortion issues), But bringing down big banks won't stop a policeman from shooting a POC or a state from banning a woman's right to choose and getting away with it. I believe this is why POC and more than a few women do not support him.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)In the primaries for the presidential election, Hillary won amongst both African Americans and women as a whole. But Bernie narrowly won amongst black voters below the age of 30 and massively won with women below the age of 30. Bernie has problems mainly with old voters.
As for him showing little interest in other issues, that is simply laughable. His voting record on civil rights and choice is flawless. He was the only presidential candidate to use the phrase "Black Lives Matter" etc.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Consider this...November 21st...after the election.
"In a speech Sunday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) urged attendees to move away from identity politics and towards policies aimed at helping the working class......Sanderss big finish: One of the struggles that youre going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-boston-speech-identity-class-politics
JI7
(89,239 posts)And his candidates lost there also
It comes down to local level politics
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Historically, they have been the target of populist campaigns, scapegoats for the majority.
Though Bernie is for minority rights, the rhetoric does not sell with AA's.
Also, breaking up the big banks will do NOTHING to help those minorities that are the targets of law enforcement.
RandySF
(58,447 posts)BluegrassDem
(1,693 posts)The big banks and Wall Street rhetoric really doesn't penetrate in black communities. All they seem to talk about is breaking up big banks and reigning in Wall Street. That message may work in New England, but it's just not a message most black people care about. Not sure how breaking up Chase Bank will help put food on the table.