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kpete

(71,964 posts)
Tue May 30, 2017, 08:34 AM May 2017

Mother Jones: Trump is already guilty in the Russia scandal---here's the evidence:

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The Trump-Russia scandal is the subject of multiple investigations that may or may not unearth new revelations, but this much is already certain: Donald Trump is guilty.

We don't need additional information about the Russian covert scheme to undermine the 2016 campaign, or about the curious interactions between Team Trump and Russia, or about Trump pressuring and then firing FBI Director James Comey, to reach the judgment that the president of the United States engaged in wrongdoing.

From the start, Trump and his crew have claimed they had nothing to do with the hack-and-leak operation mounted by Russian intelligence to help Trump nab the presidency. They have dismissed the matter as fake news, and they have insisted there is no issue because there has been no proof that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia. In May, for instance, Trump proclaimed, "Believe me, there's no collusion." Nothing to see; move along.

Explicit collusion may yet be proved by the FBI investigation overseen by special counsel Robert Mueller or by other ongoing probes. But even if it is not, a harsh verdict can be pronounced: Trump actively and enthusiastically aided and abetted Russian President Vladimir Putin's plot against America. This is the scandal. It already exists—in plain sight.


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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/trump-putin-russia-scandal-guilty

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Mother Jones: Trump is already guilty in the Russia scandal---here's the evidence: (Original Post) kpete May 2017 OP
Trump's "honey do list" from Putin: world wide wally May 2017 #1
bingo onetexan May 2017 #5
kick KewlKat May 2017 #2
A very strong indictment. Justice May 2017 #3
K & R ...... nt Wounded Bear May 2017 #4
THANK YOU !!!! AT LEAST there's ONE media outlet who isn't trying to gaslight EVERYONE into believin uponit7771 May 2017 #6
Will the Republicans move to impeach him? yuiyoshida May 2017 #7
Republicans have colluded with Trumpy. They also took Eyeball_Kid May 2017 #9
Soon even the Republicon leadership will become toxic to the Representatives who had nothing to do Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #18
Of course not! Auntie Bush May 2017 #12
tRump has a laundry list of things Putin required of him. The Tit for Tat list. Grammy23 May 2017 #8
I have no doubt that the FBI has the evidence, what I think is going on is actually systemic... Javaman May 2017 #10
(((Bad Hombre))) indeed. dchill May 2017 #11
You're right Kpete. This trip to Europe just reinforces that Trump is a puppet of Putin. PatrickforO May 2017 #13
Trump should finger the Republicans who told him that stuff before the Rparty wipes all the shi Sunlei May 2017 #14
anyone with half a brain... Locrian May 2017 #15
It might actually be much much more dangerous to our national Enoki33 May 2017 #16
Things like this angrychair May 2017 #17
"This isn't remotely like Watergate... Duppers May 2017 #24
K/R BadgerMom May 2017 #19
This article delineates the crux of the matter bucolic_frolic May 2017 #20
Roger Stone, a Trump advisor, predicted the Podesta email leak. MGKrebs May 2017 #21
K & R Achilleaze May 2017 #22
David Corn is a great journalist malaise May 2017 #23
Worth reading. FailureToCommunicate May 2017 #25
K & R! Mountain Mule May 2017 #26

onetexan

(13,023 posts)
5. bingo
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:27 AM
May 2017

removing Nato's influence will destabilize EU, and with Agent Orange and GOP in power US will also be destabilized. This is the beginning of the end of democracy as history has shown us.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
6. THANK YOU !!!! AT LEAST there's ONE media outlet who isn't trying to gaslight EVERYONE into believin
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:29 AM
May 2017

... this is all just Benedict Donald being "new" or naive or some other shit

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
9. Republicans have colluded with Trumpy. They also took
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:48 AM
May 2017

laundered money from Russia for their campaigns in 2016. Impeaching means self-incrimination. Can you guess what they're deciding?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
18. Soon even the Republicon leadership will become toxic to the Representatives who had nothing to do
Tue May 30, 2017, 01:37 PM
May 2017

Soon even the Republicon leadership will become toxic to the Representatives who had nothing to do with the collusion. They will join a blockage in the House until tRump is impeached or resigns or is 25thed.

Many Republican Reps and Senators had nothing to do with the collusion.

McCONnell almost certainly did and will never give in. Ryan almost certainly did, but will try to weasel out at the last minute.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
12. Of course not!
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:59 AM
May 2017

Even if he rkilled someone in front of TRump Tower. He almost said the same thing himself

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
8. tRump has a laundry list of things Putin required of him. The Tit for Tat list.
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:47 AM
May 2017

tRump is going about fulfilling his end of the bargain. He put down a foundation in the campaign such as making statements that NATO was obsolete and other denigrating comments. Now that he is in a place of power where he can make decisions and set policy, he is doing all that he can to finish the job. The only fly in the ointment, as far as he is concerned, is the leaking of damning evidence of the pact he made with Putin and the investigation that is distracting him and the country. The number of scandals that have emerged out of the muck of his "deal with the devil" is rapidly moving beyond what he and his staff can quash and control.

There are rumors of screaming and yelling tirades in the White House since "if trump ain't happy, no one is happy". He is used to people hopping when he says frog and there is usually no back talk around his domain. Now that he is finding out that being President is not another name for Lord and Master of the realm, his fragile ego is being taxed to its limits. So far, he has been able to keep his meltdowns behind closed doors, but I suspect it's just a matter of time before he goes all Captain Queeg on us---in full view of cameras. Oh, please let it happen soon! Like today!!

Javaman

(62,504 posts)
10. I have no doubt that the FBI has the evidence, what I think is going on is actually systemic...
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:51 AM
May 2017

if anything actually happens, it will be far wider and involve dozens of people...that's if those investigating do their jobs and, you know, actually follow up.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
13. You're right Kpete. This trip to Europe just reinforces that Trump is a puppet of Putin.
Tue May 30, 2017, 11:13 AM
May 2017

I mean, when Angela Merkel says Germany can no longer count on the United States, and the NATO allies are left wondering if the USA will continue supporting the alliance, we're fucked.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
14. Trump should finger the Republicans who told him that stuff before the Rparty wipes all the shi
Tue May 30, 2017, 11:23 AM
May 2017

all their collusion and hacking shit on him.

Patsy trump is probably to dumb to remember Manfort dropping from the fucking sky, SURPRISE! working FOR FREE in his campaign. That's when I noticed, Why TF is this lawyer working for Republican partys president choice?

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
15. anyone with half a brain...
Tue May 30, 2017, 11:27 AM
May 2017

Knows trump (and cohorts) are guilty as hell.
The question remains: will anything be DONE about it - or will "deals" be made.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
16. It might actually be much much more dangerous to our national
Tue May 30, 2017, 11:31 AM
May 2017

security. The existence of a spy ring operating out of the Whitehouse with either Kisylak or the head of the VEB bank as the controller could be very real. Know it sounds paranoid, but at this stage nothing can be excluded as the trump cabal's allegiance is to money- big money - that is even more pervasive when faced with hundreds of millions of debt.

angrychair

(8,684 posts)
17. Things like this
Tue May 30, 2017, 12:27 PM
May 2017

Disturb me greatly. It's literally like republicans don't care. US citizens don't give a shit just as long as they can watch The Bachelor, surf porn and have fantasies of being rich one day. Willing to protest for an hour as long as the weather is good but voting is hard.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
24. "This isn't remotely like Watergate...
Tue May 30, 2017, 06:24 PM
May 2017

During Watergate Congress cared whether laws had been broken."
- David Frum


This only, only way these corrupt rethugs are going to care a hoot about any of this is if they think their base is turning against them and it doesn't seem that is happening to the extent it should.

bucolic_frolic

(43,062 posts)
20. This article delineates the crux of the matter
Tue May 30, 2017, 02:59 PM
May 2017

High treason in plain sight, and obstruction to cover it up, while stealing America's treasures and social benefits.

It's a raid that makes Teapot Dome look like kid's play.

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