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Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
Sun May 28, 2017, 07:48 PM May 2017

Dear Donald, I hope you have a lovely Memorial Day. Enjoy some Kentucky

Last edited Sun May 28, 2017, 10:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Fried Chicken and all of your favorite gourmet foods. I will spend the day thinking of my brother, Joe, who was killed in a plane crash on his way to Vietnam and how they won't put the names of the 80 young Airman killed on that plane on the Vietnam Wall. I will think of how my Mom and Dad suffered, along with thousands of parents who lost sons and daughters in that worthless war. I will be thinking about my friend in college who hung himself the day he got his draft notice. I will be thinking about my friends who suffered and died from agent orange. And, Donald, I will thinking about you and how you had 4 deferments while playing college sports and how in the 90's, you said that avoiding STDS when you were single was your personal Vietnam. Let's not forget your good buddy, Ted Nugent, who soiled himself so that he wouldn't get drafted. So you have fun tomorrow, you horrible, horrible, disgusting thing. Sincerely, RCH

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Dear Donald, I hope you have a lovely Memorial Day. Enjoy some Kentucky (Original Post) Freedomofspeech May 2017 OP
Thank YOU for this .. furtheradu May 2017 #1
Kick. dalton99a May 2017 #2
Your losses choked me up. JohnnyLib2 May 2017 #3
Just nuts that those kids are not on that wall.. busterbrown May 2017 #20
Trust me, I have tried for years. Freedomofspeech May 2017 #36
K&R n/t denbot May 2017 #4
thank you onethatcares May 2017 #5
. irisblue May 2017 #6
Great post.. Permanut May 2017 #7
Thank you.. Freedomofspeech May 2017 #14
Yep my best friend..One of the toughest kids... busterbrown May 2017 #21
I'm so touched by what you wrote, thank you. democrank May 2017 #8
If trump has one shred of decency (and I'm pretty sure he doesn't) I hope he'll stay far away Victor_c3 May 2017 #9
I'm with you 100%. Mr. Evil May 2017 #18
This'll actually be the first-ever Memorial Day with a Repub POTUS who should've served, but didn't mr_lebowski May 2017 #24
It's arguable that Trump STILL isn't serving this country... Thor_MN May 2017 #27
You make a very good point. 3catwoman3 May 2017 #28
tRump and his entire family Scarsdale May 2017 #30
Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about this country sarge43 May 2017 #42
Reagan did serve. He held a reserve commission in the Army sarge43 May 2017 #29
Bill Clinton wasn't nearly the war hawk trump is Victor_c3 May 2017 #38
Thank you. sarge43 May 2017 #40
RE: Hoover........... mrmpa May 2017 #46
That's debatable. I guess W kept everyone safe in Texas during Vietnam until he went AWOL catbyte May 2017 #47
I heard he will lay the wreath at Arlington unknown soldier tomb Motley13 May 2017 #32
I felt that way when W was on the deck of the aircraft carrier. redstatebluegirl May 2017 #10
The Republican draft dodger in chief is not fit Achilleaze May 2017 #11
I'll also be thinking of how he prefers retrowire May 2017 #12
Amen, brother or sister SCantiGOP May 2017 #13
I will think of Joe and TNNurse May 2017 #15
I wish that you could stand right in front of Trumplethinskin... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #16
Very real to them. Canada offered an alternative, refuge. So many say, my father was American,who Alice11111 May 2017 #26
I wish that I could, too....but I am afraid Freedomofspeech May 2017 #35
There are events that forever change us. 3catwoman3 May 2017 #41
K & R and thank you. mountain grammy May 2017 #17
THAT jack69 May 2017 #19
Will add your brother to the patriots we remember tomorrow. FailureToCommunicate May 2017 #22
That means the world to me. Freedomofspeech May 2017 #23
I had to go and get a tissue.....again. BigmanPigman May 2017 #25
Not just theory Roy Rolling May 2017 #31
As a constituent.... wolfie001 May 2017 #33
I have tried for years to no avail. Freedomofspeech May 2017 #34
Well best of luck in the future! wolfie001 May 2017 #37
Yes. That war was SO worthless, and I was an officer's wife during that time. Peace and love to you. ancianita May 2017 #39
And still at this time not a word from him. N_E_1 for Tennis May 2017 #43
Respect. n/t BlancheSplanchnik May 2017 #44
Amen! and kick! PatrickforO May 2017 #45
Thank you DarleenMB May 2017 #48
Why won't they put his name on the wall? That's not fair. pnwmom May 2017 #49

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
20. Just nuts that those kids are not on that wall..
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:01 PM
May 2017

They died going to war for Christ’s sakes... They were flying to put their lives in harms way... Nuts!

Permanut

(5,602 posts)
7. Great post..
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:16 PM
May 2017

I will lift a glass to your brother Joe, and to my two friends who made it to Viet Nam, but didn't make it back.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
14. Thank you..
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:42 PM
May 2017

He was a great guy...my sons never knew the coolest Uncle they could have ever had and I was denied my big brother my entire life.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
21. Yep my best friend..One of the toughest kids...
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:05 PM
May 2017

out of N.Y..... Past last year...Silver Star winner at Kasan... Took a lot of angent orange into his body...during his tour..
Highly probable that was the cause.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
9. If trump has one shred of decency (and I'm pretty sure he doesn't) I hope he'll stay far away
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:21 PM
May 2017

from any Memorial Day ceremony.

He is an insult to those who have served and even more so to those who have sacrificed. His comments about McCain and him being a POW and about vets suffering from PTSD is inexcusable. I'm just waiting for anyone to say anything to me tomorrow about trump supporting veterans. I'm ready to pounce on them with all of my fury.

Mr. Evil

(2,839 posts)
18. I'm with you 100%.
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:56 PM
May 2017

This 'open running sore with a brain of pus' has no right to be anywhere near any Memorial Day service or activity honoring our fallen service men and women.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
24. This'll actually be the first-ever Memorial Day with a Repub POTUS who should've served, but didn't
Sun May 28, 2017, 11:35 PM
May 2017

Monday will actually be the first-ever Memorial Day with a Repub POTUS who should've served, but didn't.

Last time we had a Republican as President on Memorial Day who didn't serve our Country was 1987, last year of St. Ronnie being POTUS. 30 years ago.

But Raygun was already 30 when WWII started and he and Jane Wyman had an infant in 1941, so he pretty much gets a pass from serving due his age, year of his first child's birth, and when War started ... IOW, one could argue Ronnie shouldn't have been expected to serve.

The prior three Republican Presidents Ford and Nixon both served, as did obviously Eisenhower. The previous Republican President before them, Hoover, would've been old to fight in WWI (already around 40 when it started), but famously organized relief efforts for Belgium and other countries we were allied with in Europe during the Great War, so he's the last Republican President to not serve when they MAYbe should've ... but at least he 'helped' ... plus we had no 'Memorial Day' as official holiday yet back then.

BTW, fun fact ... in what country did Hoover earn his multiple-million fortune, as a Mining Director? Answer: Why, it's RUSSIA!

Anyways, one could legitimately argue that Drumpf is the first Republican POTUS who FAILED to serve his country, whilst being childless, and of proper fighting age at the time the US was engaged in a War, in OVER A CENTURY, and clearly the first since Memorial Day became a Holiday during the Nixon admin.

It'll be interesting to watch how he 'honors' the people who ACTUALLY went out, fought, and died ... for our Country, and our freedom ... when they had the chance to do so.

My bet is he attempts with great vigor to 'associate' himself with these brave and honorable men and women, even though his name REALLY doesn't even belong in the same SENTENCE.

A FORTUNATE SON DRAFT DODGER, that's what our current POTUS is.

So, he'd probably be wise to not try to proclaim himself as anything more ... on his first (and hopefully last) Memorial Day as POTUS.

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
28. You make a very good point.
Mon May 29, 2017, 08:01 AM
May 2017

He is most definitely NOT serving the country. He is doing his best to screw it up and screw it over.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
30. tRump and his entire family
Mon May 29, 2017, 09:24 AM
May 2017

serve only themselves. Rumor has it that he did not avoid STD's while single. People say he shows signs of syphillis (sp?)brain deterioration. I think he was just born STUPID, with a father who could not accept that his son was an idiot.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
42. Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about this country
Mon May 29, 2017, 11:34 AM
May 2017

He isn't capable of believing in service and sacrifice for others. It's only and always about him. The last full measure of devotion? He wouldn't know what you're talking about. That's for losers.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
29. Reagan did serve. He held a reserve commission in the Army
Mon May 29, 2017, 08:28 AM
May 2017

During the war he did narration of training and propaganda films. He did his assigned duty and did it well. That's all that may be asked of anyone who serves.

Between Teddy Roosevelt and Harry Truman, no president served, including Franklin Roosevelt.

Don't get righteous about "draft dodging". Bill Clinton didn't serve either, but he never bragged about it.

Two reasons for the long run of POTUSs who served: WWII and the draft. Approximately 10% of the US population at the time served during WWII. I've seen numbers ranging from 12M to 15M. Difficult to find any male of that generation who didn't. The draft guaranteed their younger bothers and sons at least went through the motions of serving.

Speaking of going through the motions, check out GW's service{sic}. He blew off his mandatory flight physical. If anyone without a daddy in high places pulled that stunt, he would have been booted out or perhaps even court martialed. The military is quite anal about maintaining proficiency.

It isn't that Trump didn't serve, it's that he disparages service and those who serve - gold star family, servicewomen, POWs, combat PTSD victims, bragging about dodging STDs was his Vietnam.

I agree with you. That vulgarian shouldn't be allowed to go near the Tomb of the Unknowns.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
38. Bill Clinton wasn't nearly the war hawk trump is
Mon May 29, 2017, 10:35 AM
May 2017

To me, that is a big difference. Also, Clinton never publicly put down the service of anyone who did serve like trump who bashed POWs and vets with PTSD.

I'm not excusing Clinton's draft dodging, but it's different than trump's. As a combat veteran myself, I can't blame him for not wanting to face a war head on. Clinton seemed to push for diplomacy first over the use of military force.

I'm not trying to argue, I believe you essentially said exactly what I just echoed.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
40. Thank you.
Mon May 29, 2017, 11:18 AM
May 2017

I served during Vietnam and essentially I never had a problem with the protesting in any form it took. One exception: Getting personal and name calling of service members.

Clinton did his best to keep Arlington from filling up. Thank you, sir. Well done.

Chickenhawks on the other: Detestable. Trump: POS

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
46. RE: Hoover...........
Mon May 29, 2017, 03:57 PM
May 2017

Hoover was also a Quaker as well as Nixon was. I've no idea what Hoover might have done in regard to Military Service, but due to his faith he may have been a Conscientious Objector. Though Nixon also was a Quaker, he decided to enter Military Service but he did not serve in a combat position.

catbyte

(34,374 posts)
47. That's debatable. I guess W kept everyone safe in Texas during Vietnam until he went AWOL
Mon May 29, 2017, 04:00 PM
May 2017

That said, it made me physically ill to see that open sore lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns & I had to mute his obscene, empty words to the Gold Star families he so casually mocked last year. My dad was a Marine Raider in WWII, 1st Marine Division, first wave at Guadalcanal & served in other Pacific hell holes like Peleliu & Okinawa. I lost him in in 2000 to ALS. I miss him every day, but I am glad he's not here to see what has happened to the country he sacrificed so much for. He would be heartbroken and outraged.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
32. I heard he will lay the wreath at Arlington unknown soldier tomb
Mon May 29, 2017, 09:57 AM
May 2017

I'm sure he'll mention his big win.



redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
10. I felt that way when W was on the deck of the aircraft carrier.
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:22 PM
May 2017

My brother and many of his fellow pilots flew off of those decks in Vietnam and many of my bother's friends did not return. He dealt with survivors guilt for years afterward, something 45 could not imagine. What a serious moron.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
13. Amen, brother or sister
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:40 PM
May 2017

Strikes a nerve. Lost my best friend in VN.

The damn chickenhawks like you describe and Limbaugh, W, Cheney, etc cannot buy back their souls by loving the military now.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
15. I will think of Joe and
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:45 PM
May 2017

of Jim who was from my home state and in my freshman class in college. He flunked out that year, having had too much fun. It was 1968 so he was drafted. He died in Viet Nam the year our class graduated.

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
16. I wish that you could stand right in front of Trumplethinskin...
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:50 PM
May 2017

...and read your very eloquent statement.

All the losses you enumerate are heartbreaking. I am especially horrified to know that someone took his own life because of getting his draft notice. No one should have to feel such despair.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
26. Very real to them. Canada offered an alternative, refuge. So many say, my father was American,who
Mon May 29, 2017, 05:40 AM
May 2017

Came here in Vietnam. Now, 3 of my brothers married and my sister. My dad has 6 grandchildred. We are Canadians now.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
35. I wish that I could, too....but I am afraid
Mon May 29, 2017, 10:21 AM
May 2017

That I would not be able to restrain myself....I used to be a very mild mannered person but that train left the station.

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
41. There are events that forever change us.
Mon May 29, 2017, 11:25 AM
May 2017

Just a couple of days ago, here on DU, I was saying to another member that the bereaved parent/sibling "club" is a whole lot bigger than we ever realize until we become unwilling members of it.

My mother was terrified about Viet Nam, and would have encouraged my younger,and only, brother to defect to Canada. She said she would rather have run the risk of never seeing him again but knowing he was safe, than knowing he had been killed in a meaningless war. It ended before that became a decision he would have had to make.

Unfortunately, we ended up never seeing him again anyway, because he died in 1978 in a winter scuba diving adventure that ended badly -probable cold water induced arrhythmia, as autopsy did not show any water in his lungs.

He was my only sibling. Like your children, my sons have no uncle, nor any cousins. He was only 23, and had no kids. I am envious of big extended families. My husband has 3 younger sisters, all of whom married, but none had kids. How atypical is that? So, no cousins on that side either.

Loss softens somewhat over time, but whenever I hear someone say anything along the line of, "We're going over to my brother's (or sister's). My kids love hanging with their cousins," my heart gives a little lurch. I want to ask, "Do you know how lucky you are to be able to say that."

It also makes me sad when I hear about siblings who are estranged from one another. What a waste.

Please accept a cyber hug -

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
25. I had to go and get a tissue.....again.
Sun May 28, 2017, 11:54 PM
May 2017

Last night I watched the film HAIR and used up 1/2 a box when I saw all those guys getting on a plane to Vietnam and they looked so scared. The final scene was of the cemetery with endless headstones. People are very strange and I will never understand most of them. I wish they would use their brains more and testosterone less. I agree that the Donald is a lifelong bully, coward, and hypocrite.

Roy Rolling

(6,915 posts)
31. Not just theory
Mon May 29, 2017, 09:53 AM
May 2017

The biggest mistake these ideologues make is disrespecting the honorable opposition. It is not theory to you, it is real. That is the strength they will NEVER have and why they are WEAK. Strength of character, strength of belief in something bigger than yourself.

That is why the Trump "revolution" will fail, it is fought by pasty-faced weak men like Trump.

wolfie001

(2,227 posts)
33. As a constituent....
Mon May 29, 2017, 10:14 AM
May 2017

....can your Congressperson take up a request for inclusion? That would be the honorable way to remember these fallen airmen. It only seems fair and the right thing to do. Kudos!

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,721 posts)
43. And still at this time not a word from him.
Mon May 29, 2017, 11:38 AM
May 2017

Unless I missed it in the crap tweets he spewed out this am..

He is the most disgusting garbage eating slug that ever crawled out of another disgusting human being.

DarleenMB

(408 posts)
48. Thank you
Mon May 29, 2017, 06:32 PM
May 2017

And I'm sorry for your loss.

My husband, also Joe, was wounded in Viet Nam and rec'd 2 purple hearts and a bronze star. He was exposed to agent orange and in 11-15 was diagnosed with lung cancer. Luckily they caught it just in time and the tumor was removed and his cancer staged at ONE. So no chemo or radiation, just 6 month checkups.

We lost another friend, and a long=time classmate of mine to agent orange caused cancer. Several other friends also have cancer now.

So I hope Trump and his family choke on their champagne popsicles today.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
49. Why won't they put his name on the wall? That's not fair.
Mon May 29, 2017, 07:26 PM
May 2017

I'm very sorry you lost your brother to that terrible war.

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