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Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:32 PM May 2017

What the Fucking Fuck !!! Trump is imposing 19% taxes on all Obamacare policies

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-trump-administration-just-imposed-a-massive-tax-increase-you-may-have-missed-it/2017/05/26/ce7eb6e8-4152-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?

This week the Trump administration managed to impose a massive tax increase on middle-income families beginning in 2018. You could be excused for missing this story if you were focusing instead on President Trump’s draconian budget or Republican efforts to take away health care from tens of millions of people. But, indeed, on Monday, the Trump Health Care Tax was born.

The new tax, 19 percent or more of premiums, will be added on top of the cost of policies purchased through the individual-market health insurance exchanges. It is a result of Trump’s decision to create as much chaos as possible in the health-care market — in this case by not committing to continue to reimburse billions of dollars of cost-sharing payments owed to insurers just as they set prices for next year. And the president couldn’t have been more clear about why he’s imposing this tax: He thinks disrupting the Affordable Care Act exchanges, which serve more than 12 million Americans, will force Democrats to agree to proposals in his budget and in the House health-care bill that would take coverage away from tens of millions.


I thought Republicans were anti-tax !!!!! What the hell is going on??
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What the Fucking Fuck !!! Trump is imposing 19% taxes on all Obamacare policies (Original Post) Le Gaucher May 2017 OP
They're anti tax if *WE* do it. Initech May 2017 #1
They are only against a progressive system of taxation. LisaM May 2017 #2
+1000 Cattledog May 2017 #28
What is the point in worrying about why braid dead Trump voters approve of anything he does? world wide wally May 2017 #3
They are anti-human at this point get the red out May 2017 #4
The bastard's trying to kill Obamacare. greatauntoftriplets May 2017 #5
Exactly n2doc May 2017 #10
And they will n/t hibbing May 2017 #21
When are the Repiglicans going to do something about him? nt Ilsa May 2017 #6
They are probably happy about this Le Gaucher May 2017 #7
When they start losing elections drmeow May 2017 #13
Our policy (through the exchange) went up a ton this year, to the point Cal Carpenter May 2017 #8
After they pass Trump Care,,,, Cryptoad May 2017 #32
Exactly my situation! Batship May 2017 #34
welcome to DU! renate May 2017 #42
Thanks for the welcome! Batship May 2017 #43
You can blame Sen. Marco Rubio for Obamacare policy increases ... aggiesal May 2017 #39
I'm losing my plan after this year. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #46
Not a tax BruceWane May 2017 #9
Thank you. I'm glad somebody finally explained it. Well done n/t progree May 2017 #22
BCBS of North Carolina: wants to raise premiums by 22.9%, or 8.8% if cost-sharing subsidies guarantd progree May 2017 #30
I was jsut coming in to label this fake news. Ms. Toad May 2017 #35
how to make the ACA unpopular enough to be replaced 0rganism May 2017 #11
They are evil and want Americans to die. sheshe2 May 2017 #12
See Obamacare is dying! workinclasszero May 2017 #14
I think a massive tax protest is in order. liberalmuse May 2017 #15
God no they aren't anti-tax. lark May 2017 #16
So they want to lose the 2018 election IronLionZion May 2017 #17
Stop pinning your hopes on fair elections. Zoonart May 2017 #19
It's double taxation, tax on top of a tax (Roberts court ruled insurance mandate is a tax). . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #18
I thought they deemed the penalty(mandate) to be a tax. NCTraveler May 2017 #23
I think you might be right. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #26
Right. The court agreed with the Obama administration that the mandate penalty was a tax. n/t PoliticAverse May 2017 #27
It isn't a tax. Ms. Toad May 2017 #37
They are against taxing the rich. NCTraveler May 2017 #20
Exactly this! smirkymonkey May 2017 #38
I like to tell people that voted for trump that safeinOhio May 2017 #24
I shit you not. The banner ad at the top of the page when I clicked your link was.... NCTraveler May 2017 #25
There's actually not a 'tax', the referenced CNBC article explains the issue... PoliticAverse May 2017 #29
and honestly, the government is onethatcares May 2017 #41
What is it with Trump's Ahab-like obsession with Obama? spiderpig May 2017 #31
It isn't Trump care yet. They said that Obamacare prices would go through the roof. LiberalArkie May 2017 #33
the rich don't pay for obama care now. the middle does.BAIT & SWITCH. pansypoo53219 May 2017 #36
Actually the ACA imposed a 3.5% "net investment tax" that many wealthy people would like to remove. PoliticAverse May 2017 #44
and this my friends is why onethatcares May 2017 #40
lawsuit time onetexan May 2017 #45
First they break the system randr May 2017 #47

Initech

(99,915 posts)
1. They're anti tax if *WE* do it.
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:34 PM
May 2017

I hate these motherfuckers. I will be glad to help aid in their demise.

LisaM

(27,762 posts)
2. They are only against a progressive system of taxation.
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:35 PM
May 2017

If it's a regressive tax that hurts the poor or middle-class, then they're good.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,698 posts)
5. The bastard's trying to kill Obamacare.
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:38 PM
May 2017

This will make it more expensive for people to buy coverage on the exchange. Die Welt is correct; he has no morals.

 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
7. They are probably happy about this
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:41 PM
May 2017

Policies will become expensive and Republicans will blame it on Obamacare .. and say "See . we told you so .. Now you need to support AHCA"

drmeow

(4,996 posts)
13. When they start losing elections
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:52 PM
May 2017

Or MAYBE if he murders a member of their immediate family ... but I'm not even sure they would do anything against him if he did that.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
8. Our policy (through the exchange) went up a ton this year, to the point
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:49 PM
May 2017

that we downgraded to a crappy bronze plan with a huge deductible and other OOP expenses. We're still paying more than we did last year.

Honestly, a 19% increase (as a tax? wtf) would make the premium prohibitively expensive.

This is my situation - there are millions of others like me or in even worse shape. At least my spouse and I are healthy - if we actually had a bad accident or illness, the out of pocket costs would break our bank. The ACA barely made insurance affordable as it was originally, let alone actual care (I'm being honest - while in relative terms it seems great, it was still far more favorable to insurance companies than the people of this nation who need health care).

Add a 19% tax while insurance companies are jacking up the rates anyway, and it may as well be bust.

Fuuuuuuuck.

(eta: Oh, html is turned off. There should be a variety of italicized words up there, lol)

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
32. After they pass Trump Care,,,,
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:50 PM
May 2017

u will be downgrading to the pewter plan,,,,,,,,, cheap premiums with a $1Million deductible......

Batship

(28 posts)
34. Exactly my situation!
Fri May 26, 2017, 04:13 PM
May 2017

I'm self-employed, so I have to buy coverage on the exchanges. As it is, my premiums this year are currently almost as high as my mortgage. Any increase at all means I just won't have the cash. So for the first time in my life, I'm going to be without health insurance. I'm 56 and healthy, thank heavens.

Thanks, evil bastards. Just... thanks.

renate

(13,776 posts)
42. welcome to DU!
Fri May 26, 2017, 04:41 PM
May 2017

And I'm sorry about the cost of your health insurance. I just absolutely cannot believe the United States--of all countries!--doesn't ensure that medical care is available to its citizens as part of the whole "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" thing. It's almost as basic a need as food and shelter. The imagination boggles at what other countries must think of us.

Batship

(28 posts)
43. Thanks for the welcome!
Fri May 26, 2017, 05:00 PM
May 2017

And I couldn't agree more. I just can't wrap my head around the position that anybody at all should profit from other people's medical problems. There's just no way that medical care should ever have been made a "for profit" commodity.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
46. I'm losing my plan after this year.
Fri May 26, 2017, 05:36 PM
May 2017

I get a subsidy. If I lose that subsidy, I can't afford the premium (it's about $900 for the cheapest).

BruceWane

(345 posts)
9. Not a tax
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:49 PM
May 2017

The author of the article is using the word "tax" in a figurative sense.

Trump and the republicans have said they plan to hold up subsidy payments to insurance companies as way to bring democrats to make a deal.

Within a few weeks, insurance companies are required to declare their rates for the coming year, so they could very well factor the loss of the subsidies into premiums, causing an increase estimated as high as 20%. That's from this factor alone; could be even more when considering rising health care costs.

So it's not actually by definition a "tax", but since it's a cost that could be extracted from marketplace health insurance users that is caused by the federal governments actions, it can certainly be considered as a figurative tax.

The word "tax" gets attention. "Marketplace health insurance cost increase due to political BS" gets less.

progree

(10,864 posts)
30. BCBS of North Carolina: wants to raise premiums by 22.9%, or 8.8% if cost-sharing subsidies guarantd
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:42 PM
May 2017
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/25/big-price-hike-request-by-major-north-carolina-obamacare-insurer.html

/-------------- Begin Excerpt ---------------------------------------------------------------
Blue Cross and Blue Shield NC wants an average rate hike of 22.9 percent.

The company would have asked for just an 8.8 percent increase if Trump guaranteed payments of cost-sharing reductions to insurers.

Experts say uncertainty over those payments could impose a 20 percent or more surcharge on individual health plan prices in 2018.
---------------------- End Excerpt ----------------------------------------------

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
35. I was jsut coming in to label this fake news.
Fri May 26, 2017, 04:14 PM
May 2017

Yes - his deliberate disruption will cause premiums to increase. But NO. He is not imposing a tax on premiums.

0rganism

(23,856 posts)
11. how to make the ACA unpopular enough to be replaced
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:51 PM
May 2017

it'll be gone by next January, and by next November the voters won't care

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. See Obamacare is dying!
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:53 PM
May 2017

Because evil Trump is killing it off!

Will your god emperor save you now deplorables????

liberalmuse

(18,670 posts)
15. I think a massive tax protest is in order.
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:57 PM
May 2017

Maybe if we don't pay taxes, our "representatives" will be reminded of whom they are actually supposed to be representing.

lark

(23,005 posts)
16. God no they aren't anti-tax.
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:59 PM
May 2017

They want to tax the hell out of the poor and working class. They just don't think the rich should have to pay anything, including taxes, and should be given everything for free. Why, because they are the rich or the stupid.

Zoonart

(11,750 posts)
19. Stop pinning your hopes on fair elections.
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:13 PM
May 2017

If we do not ensure a fair accounting of what the Russians and the GOP have wrought in 2016 we will never have a fair election again.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. I thought they deemed the penalty(mandate) to be a tax.
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:26 PM
May 2017

Not the premium itself. This appears to be government revenues generated from the premiums. Though in this case it doesn't seem to be a tax in any way as described above.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
37. It isn't a tax.
Fri May 26, 2017, 04:16 PM
May 2017

The editorial is analogizing the premium increase caused by Trump's intentional disruption of the market to a tax. He is not imposing anything directly - but insurance will cost more.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
38. Exactly this!
Fri May 26, 2017, 04:18 PM
May 2017

Evil bastards. They are fine with taxes, as long as it's not coming out of THEIR pockets.

safeinOhio

(32,532 posts)
24. I like to tell people that voted for trump that
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:27 PM
May 2017

they must be a billionaire or a racist. Please check your wallet and let me know which one are you.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. I shit you not. The banner ad at the top of the page when I clicked your link was....
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:29 PM
May 2017

Rosetta Stone: Learn to speak Russian.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
29. There's actually not a 'tax', the referenced CNBC article explains the issue...
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:38 PM
May 2017
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/22/this-trump-delay-may-push-obamacare-rates-20-percent-higher-next-year.html

It's about insurers raising rates because they think they won't be receiving the same amount of subsidies from
the government.

onethatcares

(16,133 posts)
41. and honestly, the government is
Fri May 26, 2017, 04:38 PM
May 2017

We the People.

We pay our taxes and get screwed by corporations into paying their taxes too.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
31. What is it with Trump's Ahab-like obsession with Obama?
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:43 PM
May 2017

Does it really go back to something so silly as My True President throwing some jokes at a roast where everyone laughed while Don the Con looked apoplectic?

LiberalArkie

(15,686 posts)
33. It isn't Trump care yet. They said that Obamacare prices would go through the roof.
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:57 PM
May 2017

I doubt that it will ever be mentioned on Fox News.

onethatcares

(16,133 posts)
40. and this my friends is why
Fri May 26, 2017, 04:36 PM
May 2017

the republicants have downgraded education in the United States.

The people will vote for the same people cutting their throats because they are fucking stupid.

randr

(12,408 posts)
47. First they break the system
Sat May 27, 2017, 09:35 AM
May 2017

Then they blame the other guy. Then they sell you a plan from which they profit.
This is the new modus operandi for the future and what will be declared the "American Way".

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