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Fri May 12, 2017, 12:26 PM

What is "Honest Loyalty", anyway?

Comey was willing to pledge that to *. But what is it?

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Reply What is "Honest Loyalty", anyway? (Original post)
maxsolomon May 2017 OP
Blaukraut May 2017 #1
Cattledog May 2017 #2
maxsolomon May 2017 #5
Cattledog May 2017 #8
DetlefK May 2017 #3
thecrow May 2017 #4
haele May 2017 #6
maxsolomon May 2017 #7

Response to maxsolomon (Original post)

Fri May 12, 2017, 12:28 PM

1. Honest with Trump, loyal to the constitution, probably n/t

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Response to maxsolomon (Original post)

Fri May 12, 2017, 12:31 PM

2. That phrase was never said according to the NYT.

As they ate, the president and Mr. Comey made small talk about the election and the crowd sizes at Mr. Trump’s rallies. The president then turned the conversation to whether Mr. Comey would pledge his loyalty to him.

Mr. Comey declined to make that pledge. Instead, Mr. Comey has recounted to others, he told Mr. Trump that he would always be honest with him, but that he was not “reliable” in the conventional political sense.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/us/politics/trump-comey-firing.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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Response to Cattledog (Reply #2)

Fri May 12, 2017, 12:35 PM

5. From the article:

"Mr. Comey again replied that he would give him “honesty” and did not pledge his loyalty, according to the account of the conversation.

But Mr. Trump pressed him on whether it would be “honest loyalty.”

“You will have that,” Mr. Comey told his associates he responded."

It just doesn't make sense...

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #5)

Fri May 12, 2017, 01:18 PM

8. Ah, should have read further...

Thanks for pointing that out.

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Response to maxsolomon (Original post)

Fri May 12, 2017, 12:33 PM

3. I think, Comey made that term up to wiggle out of the conversation.

"Loyal to Trump" in the sense that he would always be "honest to Trump".

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Response to maxsolomon (Original post)

Fri May 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

4. Loyalty to be honest

Is how I would interpret that.
The Orange One probably only heard the word loyal and did not think about what the phrase meant.

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Response to maxsolomon (Original post)

Fri May 12, 2017, 12:37 PM

6. Honest Loyalty -

I've heard that term used to indicate that a loyalty that one swears to means that they will always be honest about the relationship and will plan and work for the best overall lasting outcome. Typically used when planning some form of long-term business, legal, or personal partnerships.
Even military members swear Honest Loyalty. One is allowed to question or even act against what may be considered an unlawful order, and there is redress, in which they may have their interests represented in a military court.

All this aside, mobsters like Drumpf don't require Honest Loyalty.
Mobsters require Unquestioning Loyalty - a willingness to be an unquestioning tool, in exchange for an agreed upon benefit. Those who swear unquestioning Loyalty rather than Honest Loyalty are hostages to the whims and vagaries of that which they swore their loyalty to.

Haele

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Response to haele (Reply #6)

Fri May 12, 2017, 12:41 PM

7. thanks - i learned something!

guess I can start drinking early today...

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