Stolen Valor Act --

[Baitball Blogger]

You can't wear the medals, but you can lie about your military background? Not a good trend for Florida.

At what point will we all wake up and realize that there is a trend with ex-military leaders who sit on their laurels to justify all kinds of crimes and misdemeanors that they commit in civilian life? They trash their own communities by taking over civilian leadership positions and bully everyone into submission. They're turning super residences into garrisons where people are not only expect to follow orders, but their "generals" get special treatment with building codes and other concessions--because of their military service.

So we don't fucking need the Supreme Court making this situation worse by allowing any retiree to lie about their military service since it's a way to get into these elite groups.


Stolen Valor Act ruling gives some grounds for appeals

BREVARD COUNTY, FLA. — Wearing the uniform or the medals would land a faker in trouble, but lying about earning military honors is free speech.

So said the Supreme Court.

The court’s recent ruling that struck down the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 means that people convicted under the former federal law that made it a crime to lie about having received medals such as the Medal of Honor and other military awards now may have grounds for appeals.

“It would then create grounds for someone to seek relief,” said David Greene, an attorney with the First Amendment Center based in San Rafael, Calif. “This law was unconstitutional. If Congress wants to make it a crime, they need to write a better law.”


http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20120705/GPG0101/307050085/Stolen-Valor-Act-ruling-gives-some-grounds-for-appeals

[bowens43]

1. a rare good decision from the court......

[Baitball Blogger]

2. Not for Florida. It will create another sacred cow among the

white male elite that we don't need right now.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

3. I think you're taking the threat of

"Condo Commandos" a tad too literal.

[Baitball Blogger]

4. Check my website and see if I'm exaggerating.

They are bullies and will resort to lying and unfriendly actions to get their way. What's more, it's not difficult to find proof, if you know where to look.

Condominiums are child's play, compared to large residential PUD tracts of land where they have contacts within the school district that might affect your children.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

5. Plenty of bullies don't have military service records.

And I would imagine genuine veterans probably wouldn't take too kindly to impostors in their midst. I know this is only anecdotal but my veteran husband was disappointed to see the law struck down.

Is your beef with impostors or actual vets?

[Baitball Blogger]

7. I'm opposed to sacred cows which are abused by unscrupulous people.

I have seen what some might call toxic leaders take over a community and bully the residents into submission. They use everything at their disposal to hold onto their authority. For some, it is the assumption that lawyers never lie; and for others it is their military service. They expect unquestioning respect. That is always a formula for disaster.

That's why this Supreme Court decision is so bad. It's tough enough to keep up with the people who have true military backgrounds. Now we have to add con-artists into the mix who know they won't be questioned. No thank you. Florida is hard enough to enjoy the American Dream with all these people acting like Little Napoleans.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. All systems get abused. That's what make con artists con artists

I understand your intent and it's even laudible to a degree but it seems you're bailing against the tide of human nature.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. I'm trying to bring attention to the change we all need.

You can't alter the status quo if you sit by and watch them shore up the authoritarian structure that keeps them in place.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. If I may ask, in all seriousness, what would you have happen in practical terms

Synopsis please. It's a weird day at the office. I don't know how much time I could dedicate to reading a lengthy dissertation.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. Very simply,

In the same way that the brain shuts down when someone says of a lawyer, "He wouldn't risk his professional license, blah, blah." Don't assume that military leaders make good civilian leaders.

It's as simple thing which I'm sure we can agree with on the internet, but it's like moving mountains otherwise.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. I can see where people would intuitively trust any person with prior leadership experience.

Whether that was in a company, government job or military. When people need a leader they're reluctant to pick random names out of a phonebook. I would imagine this is true in any endeavor. People want experience in the task at hand. When military service is the topic people tend to see Patton more than they see McClellan but people prefer pleasant memories over bad.

But as you point out: scrutiny and a discriminating eye will always prevent much grief later on.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. Altruism is not a feature found in today's military or

business leaders. So I don't know why people are having trouble understanding why the heart of our communities are being ripped out when they are being built by ruffians and/or entrepreneurs who are looking to make a profit of the chaos they create.

[FarCenter]

6. You should be able to access a record of who was awarded what medal or other honor

Unfortuantely, it appears that the DoD doesn't know.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/verify/index.html

[Baitball Blogger]

8. Thank you. That's a keeper.