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Wed May 3, 2017, 07:43 AM

 

This one Clinton quote shows why her supporters hate the media

It was hardly the headline from Hillary Clinton's interview with Christiane Amanpour — it came near the end of a 35-minute session — but one comment from the 2016 Democratic nominee perfectly illustrated why liberals remain furious at how the campaign was covered. In a riff on how to create jobs, Clinton made the fairly ordinary point that “if you don't have access to high-speed affordable broadband, which large parts of America do not,” large employers will overlook your town. She continued:

If you drive around in some of the places that beat the heck out of me, you cannot get cell coverage for miles. And so, even in towns — so, the president was in Harrisburg. I was in Harrisburg during the campaign, and I met with people afterward. One of the things they said to me is that there are places in central Pennsylvania where we don't have access to affordable high-speed Internet
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Time magazine's Phil Elliott tweeted a quick summary of the quote.




The point: Elliott's tweet fed a quick, afternoon round of mockery for Clinton, who as ever had been out of touch. But anyone who's covered politics — certainly, anyone who's done a reporting trip to rural West Virginia or Iowa or New Hampshire — could recognize what Clinton was talking about. She campaigned on a quarter-trillion-dollar infrastructure plan, which, in the unappealing campaign-speak of her news release, included “giving all American households access to world-class broadband and creating connected ‘smart cities’ with infrastructure that’s part of tomorrow’s Internet of Things.”

But narrative can overwhelm that. And the firmly established narrative of Clinton and Trump is that she couldn't connect to rural voters, whereas he was a “blue-collar billionaire” who made surprising emotional connections. Trump may be the first president whose plunge to 40 percent approval was marked by stories about the voters who still loved him. And Clinton may be the only politician who can talk about the need for rural broadband — at this point, an almost banal priority of rural politicians — and be accused of snobbery.


Paraphrasing Obama, "If she walked on water, these guys would accuse her of being too elitist/out of touch/corrupt to learn to swim, like everyone else has to."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/02/this-one-clinton-quote-shows-why-her-supporters-hate-the-media

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Reply This one Clinton quote shows why her supporters hate the media (Original post)
ehrnst May 2017 OP
yallerdawg May 2017 #1
pnwmom May 2017 #3
yallerdawg May 2017 #10
dalton99a May 2017 #4
JHan May 2017 #2
ehrnst May 2017 #5
brer cat May 2017 #12
sharedvalues May 2017 #6
ehrnst May 2017 #8
sharedvalues May 2017 #11
sharedvalues May 2017 #34
ehrnst May 2017 #37
sharedvalues May 2017 #40
ehrnst May 2017 #38
sharedvalues May 2017 #39
betsuni May 2017 #7
mcar May 2017 #9
mopinko May 2017 #13
nolabear May 2017 #14
Mr. Sparkle May 2017 #15
workinclasszero May 2017 #16
oasis May 2017 #32
herding cats May 2017 #17
NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #18
Hekate May 2017 #33
NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #35
Hekate May 2017 #36
Blue_Tires May 2017 #19
JHan May 2017 #26
Blue_Tires May 2017 #29
JHan May 2017 #31
Saviolo May 2017 #20
ehrnst May 2017 #28
Blue_Tires May 2017 #21
nolabels May 2017 #22
riversedge May 2017 #23
JI7 May 2017 #24
mountain grammy May 2017 #25
JI7 May 2017 #27
Hekate May 2017 #30

Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 07:59 AM

1. The relentless negativity thrown towards our Democratic candidate...

by the Republicans and the M$M would have been near impossible for anyone to overcome in an election.

"Nevertheless, she persisted."

And in a democracy, Hillary Clinton would be our president today.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #1)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:13 AM

3. Yes. The media swamped both candidates with negative coverage,

while mostly ignoring policy issues, leading the typical voter to just conclude that they were both bad -- that Hillary's emails were as big a deal as all DT's many scandals.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:32 AM

10. Hillary pointed out...

the day the "Access Hollywood' tape came out in his own words confirming his deplorable character and remarkable unfitness to be in the White House, the Russian WikiLeaks were released with others talking about Hillary.

The media only passed along what Trump himself said - it just happened to be "negative" in the eyes of some Americans, apparently.

The media took the stolen private emails and made it a negative issue attacking Hillary and her campaign.

The record shows the media coverage of Hillary was far more negative than for Trump.

Does the coverage matter? It's what Trump whines about everyday now!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #1)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:13 AM

4. +1

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:12 AM

2. yep, I remember her talking about this way back in 2015. Oh well.

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Response to JHan (Reply #2)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:15 AM

5. Yeah, but those Goldman Sachs speeches PROVED that she was an Oligharch!!!!

 

NO WAY she was advocating for the rural poor....

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #5)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:50 AM

12. +1000 nt

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:17 AM

6. I love Hillary

And I agree the media brought her down. Including the NYT. Charles Pierce is right on about how the NYT has a Clinton problem. Maggie Haberman and her colleagues are probably the most important reasons she lost outside of purchased GOP-donor operatives like Chaffetz and Giuliani.


HOWEVER, we have to lay a little blame at Hillary's feet for her media relations. Today, you need to engage the media. You need a social media fast response team. You need to reach out with cell phone videos and direct talk. Hillary didn't do those things. (And this is not news - media around her campaign and top campaign officials all know this. I was told that campaign knew this, but ultimately the candidate makes these decisions not to engage the media.)


Links:
- Charles Pierce on NYT, Safire
- NYT op Ed by Obama 08 media director criticizing HRC.
I can dig actual links up on request.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #6)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:30 AM

8. To say that she got more than her share of unfair bad press is not to say that she didn't get some

 

was absolutely on spot.

I'm not seeing where anyone has stated that, or discussed her response time.

So much of what we saw during the election from the media was exactly what we saw in the twitter responses above - reframing it in the "Corrupt/lying/elitist/out of touch/ Clinton" narrative. I'm not sure how she was supposed to prevent something like that with a "quick media response." Especially since a single deranged tweet from DT, or specifically timed and curated Wikileak release would take all of the attention.

But I'll say that the twitter "delete your account" was indeed good.



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Response to ehrnst (Reply #8)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:32 AM

11. Agreed

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #8)

Wed May 3, 2017, 11:22 PM

34. I've spoken to a few media people and Dem media types

HRC ran a poor media operation. Reporters hated her in part because they're just people that want to write stories and get home to their kids, and she made their jobs harder by being secretive. While 45 was dropping quotable quotes everywhere.

And the democratic media types largely agree with this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/14/opinion/campaign-stops/donald-trump-trolled-us-all-we-should-learn-from-it.html

And I hate hate hate the way the media treated her. But a fraction - say 20% - of the blame about her media coverage falls to her.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #34)

Thu May 4, 2017, 07:17 AM

37. Journalism 101 - Hillary edition

 

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #37)

Thu May 4, 2017, 07:46 AM

40. Agreed with every word but one

Your points 2-6 are true.

But HRC WAS (sadly) uncommunicative with the press and had a poor social media operation. In modern politics nothing is more important than media relations.

As for 2-6 above, most of those have been created by a ton of right wing (super wealthy GOP donor) money, e.g. J Watch (the Clinton decades old smear organization), and amplified by media members from Safire to Haberman, and by the infotainment for-profit media like CNN.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #34)

Thu May 4, 2017, 07:40 AM

38. WAPO begs to differ

 

As always happens when Hillary Clinton speaks about anything, far too many folks latch onto what they want to hear instead of what she actually said. They slam her without regard to context and extenuating circumstances that prevent her from giving the answer they want or actually deserve. The Women for Women International gathering in New York City on Tuesday was the cause of the latest smackdowns of Clinton.

The Post’s Dave Weigel took apart the erroneous snap assessment of her comments on high-speed broadband. So, after having watched her 35-minute interview with CNN chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour and having read the transcript, I’m going to dive into this maddening business that Clinton refuses to take responsibility for her loss. My snap take: Dammit, people!



https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/05/03/why-so-many-people-dont-hear-or-wont-accept-what-hillary-clinton-actually-says/

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #38)

Thu May 4, 2017, 07:42 AM

39. Not differ. Both are true.

Hillary was bad at media relations

AND

The media treated her unbelievably poorly.




Check out the NYT op-ed I posted. And for a view on how the media effectively caused Hillary's loss, I like Charlie Pierce's piece on the NYT's "Clinton Problem".

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:18 AM

7. K&R

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 08:31 AM

9. It never ends

Then they'll criticize her for forcing them to misquote her because of the way she said it.

Their hatred of this noble woman is beyond reason.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:03 AM

13. cnn's erin burnett last night- she is blaming other people for her loss, she

said she took responsibility, but she blamed russia, which is it?

ugh. the whole segment reminded my why i dont watch much cnn. i only started switching to avoid greta.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:26 AM

14. A-freakin'-men! Cherry pick and say the emphasis is hers.

I saw a woman accepting responsibility for her failures and answering questions that were asked. She also agrees with just about everyone except for the new guy's followers that Putin and Comey affected the outcome. But is she allowed to say that? Not without it being pulled out of context and distorted to fit the most argument-provoking narrative they can find. And here we are, pissed but tuning in. It's compelling and infuriating.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:28 AM

15. Mika this morning has been back to her usual Clinton bashing.

its almost like the election is still on going

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:40 AM

16. This was 24/7 on CNNMSNBCABCCBSFOX and hate radio, then Comey stuck in the final and fatal dagger

 



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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #16)

Wed May 3, 2017, 03:36 PM

32. Yup. Sadly, we all gotta pay for the ignorant few.

X 63 million.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:40 AM

17. Much of the press knee jerk reacted to anything Hillary said.

This is the same press who let Trump lead them around by the nose while they live streamed his every speech. They're a real part of why she lost. The next time our candidate needs to know how to manipulate the media better.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:46 AM

18. Is there EVER going to be a day when the

regurgitation of why HRC lost or why Bernie might have done better or why this or why that? I love history, but if we are going to save this country from the conservative horde we better get our collective asses in gear and move forward.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #18)

Wed May 3, 2017, 04:24 PM

33. So just so I understand you: should we drop the conversation about Russian interference and why...

...Putin hates Hillary in a very personal manner? (Which, in answer to a direct question, Hillary answered in a thoughtful and level way.)

You say you "love history, but" -- are you aware of the truth that those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it? And are you aware that Putin had interfered in European elections with money and cyber warfare three times before he got to us, that he had a hand in Brexit, and that he is now working on the French election?

Knowing all that, should we allow the media and Trumpistas to continue to mock Hillary for telling the truth, which is that among the multiple factors that led to her loss was the interference of Putin and of Comey? Or should we go along with their narrative, let them call her a sore loser who should stfu, and in effect make ourselves complicit in the coverup?

jmho, btw

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Response to Hekate (Reply #33)

Thu May 4, 2017, 12:32 AM

35. My bad if that's the way my post came across...

was trying to address the HRC flawed candidate, Bernie said this Bernie said that nonsense. If I posted in wrong thread my only excuse is I'm in the middle of moving and everything is insane here. I am 1000% for Independent Counsel and pursuing Russian intervention and possible collusion w Drumpfs minions.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #35)

Thu May 4, 2017, 01:22 AM

36. Okay, enjoy getting settled, and we'll meet on a better day

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:49 AM

19. Yeah, I was coming to post this...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #19)

Wed May 3, 2017, 10:29 AM

26. she's right. Sigh

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Response to JHan (Reply #26)

Wed May 3, 2017, 03:07 PM

29. I did question Elliot directly on Twitter, still no response...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #29)

Wed May 3, 2017, 03:24 PM

31. He'll leave up the tweet though

If I was still on Twitter I'd join in taking him to task.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:52 AM

20. I said it during the election:

If Hillary had been in California giving a speech at 10:00am and said, "Good morning California!"

Trump surrogates would have come back with, "She's so out of touch, how could she be so wrong? It was afternoon in New York!"

And the media would spend a week saying, "Well, they're not wrong."

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #20)

Wed May 3, 2017, 10:50 AM

28. There is a different version of this...

 

Where it ends, "but you should have seen how popular I was on Social media"

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:53 AM

21. Even Greenwald would call this an unconscionable twisting of facts to fit an agenda...

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:56 AM

22. Of course a large majority even on the left take leads from this thing they despise

This thing owned by the oligarchs. So how can we not be surprised by the love-hate relationship of it all

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:57 AM

23. Good illustration of how the media covers Hillary now-and during the campaign.




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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 10:06 AM

24. it really does show their shittyness.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 10:09 AM

25. Yeah, and Andrea Mitchell managed to get a dig or two in..

fuck you, Andrea. Have you noticed who's president?

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 10:29 AM

27. i have so much disgust with this

Just look at what trump is doing and imagine if it was hillary.

If chelses sat in every meeting and had an office.

They were concerned about chelsea being involved in a charity if hillary was pres.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Wed May 3, 2017, 03:19 PM

30. I had to mute all the commentary bcs it was so utterly predictable and negative...

Where I saw an incredibly strong woman holding her head high, a powerful intellect assessing ALL the factors that led to her defeat, a woman with great heart still beating -- they portrayed a loser whining about her loss and blaming others for it.

Where I saw the courage in saying "I will return to being a citizen activist... And a part of the Resistance," I honestly do not know what they saw.

I'm only glad I tuned in and saw the interview for myself, all the way through, and saw the truth instead of being fed the Big Lie.

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