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Tue May 2, 2017, 11:14 AM

 

Don't you think that if we stopped f *ing with N.K. they would stop f*ing with us?

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Reply Don't you think that if we stopped f *ing with N.K. they would stop f*ing with us? (Original post)
nikibatts May 2017 OP
Adrahil May 2017 #1
sharp_stick May 2017 #2
gratuitous May 2017 #3
HoneyBadger May 2017 #5
treestar May 2017 #6
Warren DeMontague May 2017 #17
frankieallen May 2017 #23
gratuitous May 2017 #38
frankieallen May 2017 #39
gratuitous May 2017 #44
Atman May 2017 #25
Rustyeye77 May 2017 #4
gratuitous May 2017 #7
Rustyeye77 May 2017 #9
Warren DeMontague May 2017 #19
frankieallen May 2017 #40
catsudon May 2017 #24
JHan May 2017 #33
LanternWaste May 2017 #45
Rustyeye77 May 2017 #46
maxsolomon May 2017 #8
Orsino May 2017 #10
GulfCoast66 May 2017 #11
frankieallen May 2017 #41
Codeine May 2017 #12
grossproffit May 2017 #13
nadine_mn May 2017 #14
HoneyBadger May 2017 #15
Warren DeMontague May 2017 #16
dalton99a May 2017 #18
frankieallen May 2017 #31
Lee-Lee May 2017 #20
Initech May 2017 #21
HoneyBadger May 2017 #22
tazkcmo May 2017 #26
PoliticAverse May 2017 #27
HoneyBadger May 2017 #29
frankieallen May 2017 #32
Hortensis May 2017 #28
WinkyDink May 2017 #30
Kentonio May 2017 #34
frankieallen May 2017 #43
Kentonio May 2017 #47
frankieallen May 2017 #49
Kentonio May 2017 #50
KG May 2017 #35
malaise May 2017 #36
PragmaticLiberal May 2017 #37
Calculating May 2017 #42
HoneyBadger May 2017 #48
jberryhill May 2017 #51
ladjf May 2017 #52
Alice11111 May 2017 #53
HoneyBadger May 2017 #54
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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:17 AM

1. Not really....

 

NK is only relevant because they are a threat. Otherwise they are a backwater authoritarian shithole. Authoritarians stay in power by designating enemies and building fear and hated towards them. That's been the Kims' MO for over 60 years.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:17 AM

2. No

The goal of NK is to reunify the two Korea's under their regime. It's been the goal since the day the war started and it hasn't changed. If we weren't in there it would have happened by now.

I suppose we could abandon the South but it's not an option many people, including me would consider.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:25 AM

3. Odd how North Korea suddenly flared up as a "crisis," isn't it?

What's so different about this year that Kim's tired antics suddenly have become an international concern?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #3)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:44 AM

5. China is punching them in the gonads this year

 

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #3)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:49 AM

6. Exactly

Current Kim wants to stay in power like his father and GF. Same old, same old. Frighten to west to keep the aid coming.

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Response to treestar (Reply #6)

Tue May 2, 2017, 09:42 PM

17. Yeah, their business model is based upon extortion.

Unfortunately they need to remain a locked-down, closed society that starves most of their people for the Kims to stay in power.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #3)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:17 AM

23. Oh, I don't know....maybe all the missiles there firing??

 

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Response to frankieallen (Reply #23)

Thu May 4, 2017, 11:23 AM

38. But why wasn't North Korea firing them off before?

Could it be because we have a president who can be baited by a Tweet, and who doesn't know jack-shit about the Far East and its historic relations with the U.S.?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #38)

Thu May 4, 2017, 11:45 AM

39. Speaking of someone who doesn't know jack shit, the NK's were testing nuclear weapons long before

 

Herr Drumpf was in office. According to Wiki, North Korea has conducted a total of five nuclear tests, in 2006, 2009, 2013 and twice in 2016.
They are now developing their long range missile technology so they can actually deliver the nuclear payload. The chubby marshall is only concerned with holding on to his power, anyone who questions it is summarily executed. If the North Korean's decided they didn't want him anymore, they could as a group, send him packing. He knows this, so he needs to scare his people into thinking we want them dead, and he is the only one that can save them.
I don't think he would ever start a nuclear war, but you never know. If he saw the end coming, he may say fuck it, and send the missiles flying. He only cares about himself, his big screen tv, and his pizza maker.

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Response to frankieallen (Reply #39)

Thu May 4, 2017, 12:36 PM

44. Then why did it suddenly flare up into a "crisis"?

Because the current occupant of the White House doesn't know enough to ignore meaningless bullshit. He has to respond to every provocation, real or imagined, and (what a coincidence) keep people scared into thinking that all these horrible threats want Americans dead.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #3)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:29 AM

25. Exactly.

All the other bogeymen have been mitigated. ISIS? Meh, that's old school. But a funny looking fat guy with a bad hair cut brings out America's inner bully. The government is NOT stupid. But they know that the governed are stupid as a third grader.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:43 AM

4. Exactly/

 

Let them put nukes on rockets.

Let them have MIRVs.

Let them nuke Seattle of SF.


Who are we to interfere with them ?

Who are we to judge?


Lets apologize for upsetting them .
Hell lets give them money or food.

Lets be a country that rolls over and stands for nothing.



end of sarcasm

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Reply #4)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:56 AM

7. Yeah, right; thank you for your concern

If you really, truly, honestly think that North Korea has the capability to nuke the west coast and is prepared to do so, may I amicably suggest you put on your best tin-foil hat and retire to your nuke-proof backyard bunker without further delay? The world is far too scary a proposition for you.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Tue May 2, 2017, 12:00 PM

9. Oh...not now.

 

but give it a few years and then it should be fun.

Sorry... Reality sucks.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Tue May 2, 2017, 09:44 PM

19. I think that is absolutely what they're working towards.

Not a lot of things keep me up at night, but the crazies in Pyongyang having ICBMs capable of hitting the west coast most definitely would be a problem.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Thu May 4, 2017, 11:48 AM

40. capability right now? NO, will they have in a few years if allowed to continue? YES

 

would that spoiled brat actually do it?
YES

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Reply #4)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:22 AM

24. You forgot to add

The daily raping of female prisoners at their approved concentration camp all over North Korea. Kids are trained as spy and male prisoners work in the coal mine....

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Reply #4)

Thu May 4, 2017, 10:04 AM

33. And they've been fking with us for years.

NK would have been an issue for any administration in 2017, whether Clinton or Trump.

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Response to Rustyeye77 (Reply #4)

Thu May 4, 2017, 12:40 PM

45. I can only imagine the convenience afforded by perceiving two and only two possibilities.

 

"Lets be a country that rolls over and stands for nothing..."

I can only imagine the simplistic convenience afforded by perceiving two and only two possibilities (in this case, ignore or attend).

And though Absurdum Reductio is trendy and cool these days, regardless of who you roll over for, it's yet a logical fallacy.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #45)

Thu May 4, 2017, 12:50 PM

46. Thank you.

 

Those are great SAT words and I admire them.

( ive always been simplistic btw)

Now, whats your solution to the NK problem?

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:58 AM

8. Dorry, I son't.

They're not fucking with us; they're screaming for attention.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 12:05 PM

10. Yes. Each head of state is fragile...

...lacking either the politiical or military juice to treat the other nation in accordance with his faux-macho , which in each case is done solely to boost his image among an ignorant populace at home.

The armistice endured for over sixty years, and only now does it appear to be failing.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 12:10 PM

11. No

The minute they think they have a chance to take SK without endangering the regime they will do so.

Right no they can neither take and hold SK nor would the regime be allowed to survive if they tried.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #11)

Thu May 4, 2017, 11:49 AM

41. They want to take over SK, they need the toilet paper. :-)

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 12:17 PM

12. So I son't. nt

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 12:23 PM

13. Nope.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 12:25 PM

14. nope - it's run by a man-baby like you-know-who and they need attention

He is probably more terrified that someone is actually as childish as he is and he may have to back up his rhetoric. You know its kinda fun when you are a person acting crazy around a bunch of normal adults - but when faced with someone just like you, it's frightening

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 07:56 PM

15. China signals that the US should go for it

 

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2017/04/24/2017042401538.html

Old article, out of date

April 24, 2017 13:30
China's state-run Global Times in an editorial a few days ago said a military intervention by Beijing would be "unnecessary" if the U.S. chooses to launch a surgical strike against North Korea's nuclear weapons facilities.
The comments are being interpreted as tacit approval of a pre-emptive strike by the U.S. against North Korean targets, though the paper added that Beijing would ensure that North Koreans do not suffer a humanitarian catastrophe. That is a remarkable shift in China's position, since its troublesome alliance pact with North Korea from 1961 binds the two countries to help each other if one side comes under attack.
In effect, the comments appear to be an ultimatum to Pyongyang against conducting another nuclear test. If North Korean leader Kim Jong-un pushes ahead with the test regardless, the chances are now much higher that the trigger-happy Trump administration will launch some kind of surgical strike on its nuclear facilities.
Something seems to have happened when U.S. President Donald Trump met Chinese President Xi Jinping on April 7, and now Beijing appears is reviewing its North Korea policy.
The Chinese government was also apparently shocked at the crude public assassination in Kuala Lumpur in February of Kim's half-brother Kim Jong-nam, who was under Chinese protection.
Already Beijing seems to be turning off North Korea's oil supply. "As the upcoming nuclear test could potentially be hazardous to Northeastern China, sanctions imposed by Beijing within the United Nations framework will increase, thus dramatically decreasing the amount of petroleum exported to North Korea," as the Global Times put it.
Gas stations in Pyongyang reportedly have limited the supplies of petrol and have drastically hiked prices. This means China has already tightened the spigot or has warned the North that it will do so soon.
China probably intends to cut back on its oil supply to the North rather than shutting it off completely, but the move is nonetheless unprecedented and significantly up the pressure on the regime.
"However, if US and South Korea armed forces cross the Korean Demilitarized Line in a ground invasion for the direct purpose of annihilating the Pyongyang regime, China will sound its own alarms and ramp up their military immediately," the Global Times added.
That is a clear statement of the Maginot Line -- no ground forces on North Korea soil. But eventually the heavily armed border must come down and the Korean people reunified. It is only a matter of time until that happens, and not even China can do anything about it, even if it would prefer the peninsula to remain divided forever.
Still, China's policy shift may not signal a fundamental change in the way it approaches North Korea, so Seoul should focus on keeping it on this track as long as possible.
Seoul must seek to overcome the differences with Beijing over the stationing of a Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense battery here. The sole purpose of the THAAD battery is to defend the South against a North Korean missile attack, and Seoul bears China no ill will and has no intention of spying on its military maneuvers with the THAAD's powerful radar.
Tensions on the peninsula have reached levels not been seen since the 1950-53 Korean War ended in a ceasefire. North Korea has lashed out against China, too, by touting its military muscle and may yet resort to a reckless provocation to mark the founding day of its military on Tuesday. With a regime that unpredictable, a massive strategic mistake cannot be ruled out.
Unfortunately, South Korea is in no position to do much about it, heading essentially rudderless toward a presidential election. And the state of limbo may well continue after the May 9 election. The new president's first task must be to minimize any damage from these dramatic developments.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 09:41 PM

16. No.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 09:43 PM

18. Surely

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #18)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:51 AM

31. make sure everyone is laughing at his stupid jokes.

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 09:54 PM

20. If by "not f-Ingles with us you mean forcefully taking South Korea

 

Killing 30,000,000 plus people doing so and enslaving all the survivors into a cult level civilization of poverty, starvation and total control and a fanatical worship of their leader as a god then... yeah, they will do that.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 10:03 PM

21. At some point we need to tell the MIC to eat a giant bag of shit.

They will destroy the planet for profit. What will they buy when there's no one left to spend money?

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:04 AM

22. China hurts NK feels

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/asia/north-korea-china-relations-red-line/

North Korean state media warned Thursday Beijing was crossing a "red line" in its relationship with Pyongyang.

A commentary in the state-run newspaper Rodong Sinmun vowed the country would not give up its nuclear program and accused China of "dancing to the tune of the US" and providing Washington excuses to deploy more military assets to the Korean peninsula.

The commentary urged two Chinese state-run newspapers, the People's Daily and Global Times, to refrain from making reckless remarks which risked undermining relations between the two countries.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:34 AM

26. No.

A sane leader would but you said NK, so...no.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:42 AM

27. They're f*ing with China now, which is losing its patience with them. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #27)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:47 AM

29. The NK economy relies on China's generosity

 

Perhaps NK will attack China. They do have missiles capable of reaching.

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Response to HoneyBadger (Reply #29)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:54 AM

32. That would be a giant mistake, China would squash them in seconds.

 

China owns most of the United States at this point, I dont' think they want the little general f**cking with us, it would hurt China economically if they did.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:45 AM

28. Nooo, I don't, Nikibatts.

I also don't think America is not the source of most of the world's ills and that those who believe that are profoundly insulting billions of eager troublemakers in other nations.

Obama was about as measured and temperate a leader as a nation can get, and the NK nuclear crisis was coming to a boil anyway as he left office. We can't control everything and sometimes the best available action may only delay, lessen, or nudge trajectories farther away from civilization.

Btw, Foreign Policy is a subscription journal, but people who sign up for their daily email alerts get access to a whole list of articles. There're plenty of criticism of policies and and a fairly wide range of viewpoints and analyses, and writings typically provide information that is seldom mentioned in regular media.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 09:47 AM

30. Not a chance. This NK stuff didn't start last January, ya know.

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 10:23 AM

34. Given that NK pose basically zero threat to America, either now or in the future

 

Yes, I think US sabre rattling towards NK is generally counter-productive. The red line for the US needs to simply be 'conduct any attack against SK, Japan or any other US ally in the region, and we will respond in kind'.

We have no military way to prevent NK developing nuclear weapons without triggering a massive and extremely destructive war, and NK know that any use of nuclear weapons would result in their immediate annihilation.

There is no great 'win' scenario for us, but equally there is no obvious lose scenario either, unless we put ourselves into a situation where we force the issue. China has vast economic and military power, decades of diplomatic relations with NK and far more to lose by any NK military adventurism. Let China sort it out.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #34)

Thu May 4, 2017, 11:54 AM

43. they will definitely be a threat to the US if we let them continue developing a delivery system

 

unabated.

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Response to frankieallen (Reply #43)

Thu May 4, 2017, 01:20 PM

47. Why?

 

What possible benefit would NK gain by attacking the US?

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #47)

Thu May 4, 2017, 03:59 PM

49. If Kim is backed into a corner, and he is about to lose everything, I believe he would push the

 

button in a heartbeat.
Doesn't even need to be a foreign government, could be from within. Maybe some NK general who thinks he and his family should rule for the next 100 years.
They have nothing to gain by attacking the US, but they (Kim) is an insane little maniac with nuclear capability, he doesn't think like you and I, and that just cannot be ignored.

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Response to frankieallen (Reply #49)

Thu May 4, 2017, 05:53 PM

50. If he's pushed into a corner from outside, sure

 

But inside, what would be the point? He'd have enough of his plate fighting his enemies without trying to create new ones.

The bit I most take issue with though is this idea that he's not like us. He's not a different species, he's a human like the rest of us. He's the spoiled rich kid in high school who bribes/threatens other bullies into dominating the other kids, so he can act like a little prince. He might threaten bigger more dangerous people as long as he knows he can get away with it without getting toppled, but at the end of the day nothing matters more to him than his little kingdom.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 10:27 AM

35. NK - fake enemy.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 10:28 AM

36. The same is true for the entire Middle East

and North Africa. Imperialism sucks.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 10:52 AM

37. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 11:50 AM

42. Really not a country you should be defending. The Kims are pure sadistic evil

HORRIBLE human rights violations. Probably the worst in the world. It's not directly hurting us, but the world should probably do SOMETHING to save the people of NK from the sadistic Kim regime. >90% of the people don't have electricity, and starvation is so widespread that cannibalism occurs. All this because little kimmy spends every spare dollar on weapons development so he can threaten other countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/north-korea
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/north-korea

They're an extremely hostile and reclusive regime, led by a maniac who constantly threatens to turn the US into ashes, and they're constantly developing more nukes and missiles to get them here. Seems like the definition of a threat.

Little Kimmy does some atrocious stuff to his people. After the holocaust the whole world said "Never again". Well, it's happening again to people in NK. Little Kim will have the families of dissenters condemned to torture camps/caves for 3 generations where they are starved/worked to death, tortured, and have medical experiments such as vivisection and bioweapons testing conducted on them.

FFS! Little Kimmy had his own half brother assassinated with VX nerve gas in an international airport. The guy is a madman, a monster and probably the worst leader in the world right now.

Little Kimmy is a problem, and it's not gonna go away unless somebody does something about him. If we just sit around and let him develop nukes capable of hitting us then we forever lose ANY ability to do something about him.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 01:58 PM

48. Saw a Korean (South) movie called The Mayor about an election (spoilers ahead)

 

Trump like candidate wins. Hillary like candidate gets outplayed, when she tries to outplay Trump like character. Bernie like character is corrupt. Excellent movie. Basically voters are sheep, candidates and their teams are wolves as well as geniuses, nothing happens by accident, it is a game. All are pragmatic. All have little integrity. Some wolves have sharper teeth than others.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 05:55 PM

51. No

 


They need to be in a continuous state of crisis with their "enemies" in order to maintain the domestic status quo.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Thu May 4, 2017, 05:56 PM

52. As dangerous is North Korea is, I believe that Trump and the Republicans are a much

more serious threat to our Country. They are attempting to decimate us from within.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #52)

Thu May 4, 2017, 06:50 PM

53. Agree. I think we should quit agitating NK. I'm not sure

That they will leave us alone, but we are making it worse.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Fri May 5, 2017, 07:47 AM

54. Kim says that we tried to poison him with a biochemical substance

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Fri May 5, 2017, 08:10 AM

55. Koreans hate China more than they hate the US

 

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2017/04/20/2017042001445.html


April 20, 2017 12:41
U.S. President Donald Trump last week claimed that Chinese President Xi Jinping told him that Korea "actually used to be a part of China." Well, actually it did not, but many Chinese people tend to believe something along those lines, and the Chinese Academy of Sciences used to have a project going to prove that the ancient Korean kingdom of Koryo was part of China.
At the root of this nonsense lies a powerful hegemonic nationalism that has become wrapped up with the Chinese brand of communism, and a sense of entitlement that stretches back to the days when Asian kingdoms paid tribute to the empire.
China is a bully. It has refused to hear South Korea's rationale for deploying a U.S. Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense battery here and has launched an unofficial economic boycott. The ostensible reason is that it worries about the powerful radar that comes with the battery, which it thinks will be used to spy on its military activities.
Yet Beijing has never taken issue with a much more powerful radar being used in Japan, for which it has some grudging respect. Beijing's retaliatory measures, like shutting down Lotte supermarkets in China for minor health-and-safety infractions, are simply petty, and motivated by nothing more than a bully's belief that Korea somehow owes it obeisance.
Trump's own ignorance is already well documented, but it is worrying that he will take history lessons about Korea from such an obviously biased teacher as Xi. Korea needs to remain alert in these baffling times.


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