Fri Apr 28, 2017, 02:25 PM

"The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin[ ]"

The December memo alleged that four Trump representatives travelled to Prague in August or September in 2016 for “secret discussions with Kremlin representatives and associated operators/hackers”, about how to pay hackers secretly for penetrating Democratic party computer systems and “contingency plans for covering up operations”.

Between March and September, the December memo alleges, the hackers used botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs and steal data online from Democratic party leadership. Two of the hackers had been “recruited under duress by the FSB” the memo said. The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin’s presidential administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/28/trump-russia-intelligence-uk-government-m16-kremlin

If that's true, and intelligence confirms this....holy balls.

And it needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

Why do I think that tidbit--and the possibility that it was confirmed--is what caused all the grim faces from the Senate Intelligence Committee after their FBI briefings a couple of months ago?

That's major, major, major stuff.

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"The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin[ ]" (Original post)	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2017	OP
If true it's enormous	wryter2000	Apr 2017	#1
Plausible deniability.	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2017	#2
that he old pic of feinstein and grassley right?	certainot	Apr 2017	#44
Thats if its true the other possibility is that any Trump links to Russia are red herrings meant to	cstanleytech	Apr 2017	#26
McConnell was pretty sure he'd get a chance to vote on a GOP Supreme Court justice	More_Cowbell	Apr 2017	#90
Moscow Mitch knew the fix was in...nt	LaydeeBug	Apr 2017	#118
He also took millions of dollars of laundered Russian money.	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#122
All day long. nt	LaydeeBug	Apr 2017	#125
This about to chew major	Wellstone ruled	Apr 2017	#3
b-b-b-b-but EMAILS!	0rganism	Apr 2017	#4
and Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, ... the vast right-wing conspiracy at work.	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#105
This POS asked Russia to hack Hillary during his campaign	bathroommonkey76	Apr 2017	#5
It's one of those things that's not at all surprising....	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2017	#7
Sure does.	elleng	Apr 2017	#49
It really does.	Chemisse	Apr 2017	#95
I'm surprised that anybody is surprised. As you say, Trump said this.	yardwork	Apr 2017	#71
Of course.	dalton99a	May 2017	#137
the Guardian is reliable	oldtime dfl_er	Apr 2017	#6
An approval rate in the low 30s...	Blanks	Apr 2017	#12
Yep, step by step	gratuitous	Apr 2017	#33
I don't think we can count on this.	JudyM	Apr 2017	#81
He's trending downward...	Blanks	Apr 2017	#85
What kind of deal are you anticipating?	Ninsianna	Apr 2017	#92
China has indicated willingness to broker a deal... and has more influence than anyone over NK as	JudyM	Apr 2017	#96
I completely agree.	cilla4progress	Apr 2017	#110
Comey threw the election to Trump.	Lonestarblue	Apr 2017	#29
Irrefutable.	cilla4progress	Apr 2017	#111
Without the British sources, we would still be in the dark! Steele, Mensch,	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#128
Republican traitors against America suck	Achilleaze	Apr 2017	#8
They said this last night on Lawrence O'Donnell.	BigmanPigman	Apr 2017	#19
+ 1,000	Achilleaze	Apr 2017	#32
Plus 2,000,000	Auntie Bush	Apr 2017	#104
Welcome to DU	bdamomma	Apr 2017	#132
holy shit	ProfessorPlum	Apr 2017	#9
I hope it's true, but...	Adrahil	Apr 2017	#10
Fitzmas....	SergeStorms	Apr 2017	#89
Oh, I have no doubt that many of the allegations are true...	Adrahil	Apr 2017	#106
K&R!	stonecutter357	Apr 2017	#11
K&R	red dog 1	Apr 2017	#13
Wow! That's pretty serious if proven.	herding cats	Apr 2017	#14
This makes Watergate look like jaywalking in comparison. (nm)	Elwood P Dowd	Apr 2017	#15
K&R nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Apr 2017	#16
She looks weary.	murielm99	Apr 2017	#17
Sent to Rachel	triron	Apr 2017	#18
I did, too!	calimary	Apr 2017	#83
Excellent! Good on you, calimary	NastyRiffraff	Apr 2017	#86
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Apr 2017	#20
Cool, dude.	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2017	#21
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Apr 2017	#28
Yeah, only 17 different intelligence agencies spouting "fake news".	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2017	#31
The terms "fake news" and "no evidence" are right out of their playbook.	Elwood P Dowd	Apr 2017	#35
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Apr 2017	#37
You're a smooth, smoothie, ya know?	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2017	#40
Dammit MIRT.	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2017	#41
More like a few seconds. Awesome prediction.	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#102
Seriously, go fuck yourself..... nt	Guy Whitey Corngood	Apr 2017	#42
Bravo! Tell it like it is!!	Sculpin Beauregard	Apr 2017	#46
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!	byronius	Apr 2017	#36
Single post with no links to its rebuttal	Liberalagogo	Apr 2017	#24
He/she has about 5 minutes max before MIRT arrives.	Tommy_Carcetti	Apr 2017	#25
Can	BumRushDaShow	Apr 2017	#48
Joined at 306p CT, first post (#20) at 309p, I alerted 313p.... I will be following this person	progree	Apr 2017	#38
Your insightful reply assures me that you'll be a valuable long-term member of DU.	mac56	Apr 2017	#27
Say hello to your buddies at the GOPutin. (nm)	Elwood P Dowd	Apr 2017	#30
uncharted territory. What does our constitution say about this sort of thing?	NRaleighLiberal	Apr 2017	#22
I don't think our founding fathers anticipated anything like this ever taking place.	herding cats	Apr 2017	#53
It doesn't say anything about a foreign power occupying the White House,	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#103
The guardian is a reputable news paper. This is true. MY GOD!!	boston bean	Apr 2017	#23
What happened to those inaugural funds ?	kimbutgar	Apr 2017	#34
but i'm sure there was absolutely no tampering of the voting machines... nt	TheFrenchRazor	Apr 2017	#39
Of course not!!!!!!	ElementaryPenguin	Apr 2017	#134
C O L L U S I O N	spanone	Apr 2017	#43
K&R	smirkymonkey	Apr 2017	#45
This sounds perfectly plausible to me.	Equinox Moon	Apr 2017	#47
"everyone who colluded must be arrested, every EO and judicial nominee must be declared invalid"	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#101
If this is confirmed, we have #Trumpgate in full view. Lock him up. nt	iluvtennis	Apr 2017	#50
No mercy on GOP. Root them all out. No Pence,	Sculpin Beauregard	Apr 2017	#51
We need to collate threads into categories re 2016 election	BSdetect	Apr 2017	#54
Still a lot of speculation	HopeAgain	Apr 2017	#52
17 intelligence agencies who agree isn't speculation!!!	Sculpin Beauregard	Apr 2017	#56
That Trump actually paid the hackers?	HopeAgain	Apr 2017	#60
Agreed. This is a dossier citing anonymous sources.	progressoid	Apr 2017	#67
Why in the hell has CNN and MSNBC not picked up on this yet?	Lint Head	Apr 2017	#55
Lean on them. This needs to be out in the light of day!!	Sculpin Beauregard	Apr 2017	#57
I always email links to stories and call.	Lint Head	Apr 2017	#58
What is the court filing that brought this to light?	Justice	Apr 2017	#59
A Russian hacker is suing Steele for defamation.	octoberlib	Apr 2017	#63
Yes. It brought to light that there is a Steele Dossier 2.0 and contents.	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#107
My intuition's best guess	bucolic_frolic	Apr 2017	#61
This	BumRushDaShow	Apr 2017	#70
OMG. It's worse than I thought! Isn't this classified info that Feinstein is giving out? nt	Honeycombe8	Apr 2017	#62
The Feinstein pic is from a few weeks back, and just shows her reaction after the briefing.	Sculpin Beauregard	Apr 2017	#65
Thanks. I misunderstood who gave the info. nt	Honeycombe8	Apr 2017	#84
It was pretty obvious after that briefing	cilla4progress	Apr 2017	#112
Trump involving the oversight chairs in the transistion compromised Congressional investigations.	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#113
Good point	cilla4progress	Apr 2017	#114
I told you so right away. How did i know? They're Republicans!	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#64
If this is true...?	kentuck	Apr 2017	#66
But what about Hillary's emails?	Botany	Apr 2017	#68
If this is accurate, does this mean the previous administration knew about it at a time	hughee99	Apr 2017	#69
They probably had bits and pieces	BumRushDaShow	Apr 2017	#73
Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment	Blue_Tires	Apr 2017	#72
Snowden just got his vacation stay extended	BumRushDaShow	Apr 2017	#75
Just wait til Sally Yates testifies before the Senate Crime/Terrorism subcommittee on May 8th	Mr. Ected	Apr 2017	#74
I am afraid for her. Brave soul.	riversedge	Apr 2017	#76
She's actually got a second testimony before the House intelligence committee, not yet scheduled	Mr. Ected	Apr 2017	#77
I think you are entirely right here Mr.	cilla4progress	Apr 2017	#115
The pic is older, i was gonna use it along with everything else here for somewhere else	Eliot Rosewater	Apr 2017	#78
Shit! I had just opened this page and there's Howard Dean on MSNBC, bringing it up!	calimary	Apr 2017	#79
Just to clarify, is this what Louise Mensch et al. have been reporting for the past several weeks?	Mr. Ected	Apr 2017	#80
It is, pretty much.	More_Cowbell	Apr 2017	#91
The Steele Dossier II has been secret until this court filing got out, it seems.	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#109
Louise Mensch is using the Palmer Report as a source?	HoneyBadger	Apr 2017	#126
Palmer Report is posting someone else's writing.	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#127
Wait what?	flamingdem	Apr 2017	#82
The whole admin needs to go. NO PENCE FOR PRESIDENT. ILLEGITIMATE ELECTION.	Sculpin Beauregard	Apr 2017	#87
I've been thinking that for a long time.	Auntie Bush	Apr 2017	#108
precisely; if pence or ryan gets in, then treason pays. nt	TheFrenchRazor	Apr 2017	#124
Thanks for posting this. Maybe our media will cover this tonight?	KewlKat	Apr 2017	#88
So glad you've found this info.	Judi Lynn	Apr 2017	#93
K&R!!!!!!	burrowowl	Apr 2017	#94
If this is true, Trump is done...	Demsrule86	Apr 2017	#97
Kick.	dalton99a	Apr 2017	#98
But it's Trump so nothing will be done. NOTHING!!!	Kablooie	Apr 2017	#99
sadly agree...	dhill926	Apr 2017	#116
We haven't had this level of detail before.	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#100
kick. nt	LaydeeBug	Apr 2017	#117
Get a grip people.	frankieallen	Apr 2017	#119
You didn't read the article, did you?	Sculpin Beauregard	Apr 2017	#121
Who is ready for the indictments? One of two grand juries nearly completing their work now.	L. Coyote	Apr 2017	#120
K&R	mcar	Apr 2017	#123
kick again	triron	Apr 2017	#129
Kick and Rec	Hekate	Apr 2017	#130
K&R	bdamomma	Apr 2017	#131
Putin elected trump	Gothmog	Apr 2017	#133
so what's the hold up?? Isn't odd that the peripheral players are mostly gone? Like they are	Laura PourMeADrink	May 2017	#135
FBI investigations: "two grand juries ... one is almost complete" #TrumpRussia	L. Coyote	May 2017	#136
Says who?	sellitman	May 2017	#138

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 02:32 PM

wryter2000 (42,659 posts)

1. If true it's enormous

But why wouldn't Putin pay them himself? Putin must have more money than Trump.

"The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin[ ]"

1. If true it's enormous

2. Plausible deniability.

44. that he old pic of feinstein and grassley right?

26. Thats if its true the other possibility is that any Trump links to Russia are red herrings meant to

90. McConnell was pretty sure he'd get a chance to vote on a GOP Supreme Court justice

118. Moscow Mitch knew the fix was in...nt

122. He also took millions of dollars of laundered Russian money.

125. All day long. nt

3. This about to chew major

4. b-b-b-b-but EMAILS!

105. and Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, ... the vast right-wing conspiracy at work.

5. This POS asked Russia to hack Hillary during his campaign

7. It's one of those things that's not at all surprising....

49. Sure does.

95. It really does.

71. I'm surprised that anybody is surprised. As you say, Trump said this.

137. Of course.

6. the Guardian is reliable

12. An approval rate in the low 30s...

33. Yep, step by step

81. I don't think we can count on this.

85. He's trending downward...

92. What kind of deal are you anticipating?

96. China has indicated willingness to broker a deal... and has more influence than anyone over NK as

110. I completely agree.

29. Comey threw the election to Trump.

111. Irrefutable.

128. Without the British sources, we would still be in the dark! Steele, Mensch,

8. Republican traitors against America suck

19. They said this last night on Lawrence O'Donnell.

32. + 1,000

104. Plus 2,000,000

132. Welcome to DU

9. holy shit

10. I hope it's true, but...

89. Fitzmas....

106. Oh, I have no doubt that many of the allegations are true...

11. K&R!

13. K&R

14. Wow! That's pretty serious if proven.

15. This makes Watergate look like jaywalking in comparison. (nm)

16. K&R nt

17. She looks weary.

18. Sent to Rachel

83. I did, too!

86. Excellent! Good on you, calimary

21. Cool, dude.

31. Yeah, only 17 different intelligence agencies spouting "fake news".

35. The terms "fake news" and "no evidence" are right out of their playbook.

40. You're a smooth, smoothie, ya know?

41. Dammit MIRT.

102. More like a few seconds. Awesome prediction.

42. Seriously, go fuck yourself..... nt

46. Bravo! Tell it like it is!!

36. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

24. Single post with no links to its rebuttal

25. He/she has about 5 minutes max before MIRT arrives.

48. Can

38. Joined at 306p CT, first post (#20) at 309p, I alerted 313p.... I will be following this person

27. Your insightful reply assures me that you'll be a valuable long-term member of DU.

30. Say hello to your buddies at the GOPutin. (nm)

22. uncharted territory. What does our constitution say about this sort of thing?

53. I don't think our founding fathers anticipated anything like this ever taking place.

103. It doesn't say anything about a foreign power occupying the White House,

23. The guardian is a reputable news paper. This is true. MY GOD!!

34. What happened to those inaugural funds ?

39. but i'm sure there was absolutely no tampering of the voting machines... nt

134. Of course not!!!!!!

43. C O L L U S I O N

45. K&R

47. This sounds perfectly plausible to me.

101. "everyone who colluded must be arrested, every EO and judicial nominee must be declared invalid"

50. If this is confirmed, we have #Trumpgate in full view. Lock him up. nt

51. No mercy on GOP. Root them all out. No Pence,

54. We need to collate threads into categories re 2016 election

52. Still a lot of speculation

56. 17 intelligence agencies who agree isn't speculation!!!

60. That Trump actually paid the hackers?

67. Agreed. This is a dossier citing anonymous sources.