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lovemydogs

(575 posts)
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 01:01 PM Apr 2017

Women and the Progressive Movement

I am a Woman and a Proud Progressive.
I think alot of the rage towards Progressives by centrists is driven by unresolved anger over the Primaries last year. For some reason, many still carry a huge resentment towards those who are progressive because of their anger towards Bernie Sanders. I do not know why there is an ongoing anger over his running against Hillary. But, the anger carries.
Because of the anger towards Progressives, there is a meme going around that Progressives are anti women. That it is a relatively new movement made up largely of anti woman 20 something white men.
This is very very much not true of the history of the Progressive movement

Actually the Progressive movement is well over 100 years old and women played a huge role in the movement.
Jane Adams was a progressive, as was Eleanor Roosevelt. Ida B. Wells and even the great Francis Perkins.
The Progressive movement embraced women and they were a large part of the movement's drive to reform the country of social ills.
Child Labor, Healthcare for women, Women's Suffrage and the right to vote.
They were part of the labor and union movement - fighting with the men against the security forces hired by Corporate owners.
The Progressive movement welcomed women and their voices were very important.
These are the women that drove the reforms we take for granted. That were in the forefront of women being freed from their oppressive roles at the turn of the century and the steady gains for equality in the 20th century.
Because of the Progressive movement and the ideas and policies they advocated for, it laid the groundwork for FDR's New Deal.
The New Deal that gave this country its best decades for the average working person and families. It attacked Income Inequality and reigned in the abuses of the banks and big business. It brought economic security and the middle class.
Because of the economic gains made by the New Deal for everyday Americans, social gains were made possible.
Because of the Progressive movement the democratic party, which absorbed many of their ideas, was a strong and dominate party that had the loyalty of the American people.
It was when the party began dabbling in neo-liberalism in the late 70s into the 80s, giving us the DLC and the New Democrats that the party began to lose ground and its support.
They turned their backs on their biggest supporters in unions. The working class suddenly was thrown under the bus. Instead, the party decided it wanted to make policies and gearing towards the elite professionals, Wall Street and corporations. The party advocated privatizing over the traditional government role and its programs designed to help families.
The party became the opposite of what it was in its heyday.
Women make up a large amount of the lower end paying workers. Women are raising chldren alone and paying childcare largely by themselves. They are finding that programs that used help subsided the high cost being cut more and more, even eliminated.
Between the high cost of living, of child care, cuts or eliminating of needed programs like after school or day care help, summer programs, along with restrictions on food stamps and welfare, women are finding themselves trapped in a cycle of poverty and despair. Same with working families.
How anyone can say that the New Democrats, the corporate friendly, privatizing centrist wing is more pro woman is beyond me.
Not when Progressives, along with their history, has long fought for the rights and economic security of women and working people of all groups.
People have to move on from the primaries. If you have anger that you cannot release, then sit down and have a calm discussion with a progressive. Let the name calling and assumptions at the door. Just talk about where you are coming from and why you are still angry. And listen, just listen to what a progressive has to say and why they support that wing of the party.
But, to just assume or fling silly accusations like Progressives hate women is not helpful and does not foster understanding.





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Women and the Progressive Movement (Original Post) lovemydogs Apr 2017 OP
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2017 #1
There is no "rage toward Progressives". Bernie Sanders is not the paragon of progressivism. DanTex Apr 2017 #2
The importance of economic issues lovemydogs Apr 2017 #3
So do you mercuryblues Apr 2017 #4
Then start your own Progressive Party frazzled Apr 2017 #5
The progressive movement was and is varied. delisen Apr 2017 #6

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
2. There is no "rage toward Progressives". Bernie Sanders is not the paragon of progressivism.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 01:09 PM
Apr 2017

Criticism of the direction that Bernie Sanders wants to take the party is not criticism of progressives. Quite the contrary. There are many progressives, myself included, who don't think that de-emphasizing issues like choice would be a progressive thing for the Democratic party to do.

lovemydogs

(575 posts)
3. The importance of economic issues
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 01:25 PM
Apr 2017

Is something that many do feel is where the party should look.
I am someone who has always felt social issues and equality as highly important.
But, I also live in a small city in the midwest. We used to be a big manufacturing center.
All the big employers are gone.
I have seen where I live go from a good family place to one of economic despair.
Street after street of abandoned homes and buildings. Crumbling.
A huge heroin problem.
We are one of the highest for crime in a small city and have been for several years.
People are angry and hateful towards each other.
The economic situation needs to be put at the forefront for awhile to make our country stable.
There is a direct correlation between crime, scapegoating minorities and interest groups, reversal of equality and economic despair.

mercuryblues

(14,526 posts)
4. So do you
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 01:40 PM
Apr 2017

think that women's health care should be sidelined until economic justice is obtained? Or do you think this issue is equally important?

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
5. Then start your own Progressive Party
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 01:51 PM
Apr 2017

and stop telling those elistist Democrats (like John Lewis) what to do with their party. Then you can be as anti-elitist as you want (what does that even mean? rejecting the expertise of foreign policy and economic experts? maybe even science and history?).

I think the people who can't get over the primaries are precisely the ones who can't unlatch themselves from the bosom of Bernie Sanders. And they're still angry. You need to get over this: I know, I've been there. You work hard for a candidate and drink the Kool-Aid, and you can't let go for a while. But this has been a loooooong while ... since last May. It should take a few months to get over it. Not a year. Stop refighting the primaries.

Populism, whether right or left, is a dangerous thing: it is closely bound to authoritarianism, despite the implications of its title. See, you're still fighting, bullying, and insulting the people (the primary voters) so that your authority figure can proceed with his agenda ("Only I can do it.&quot Time to get off the bus and start thinking about the depredations the current administration is inflicting on the people, instead of insulting Democrats.

Meh.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
6. The progressive movement was and is varied.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:35 PM
Apr 2017

There were economic progressives like President Woodrow Wilson, whose record is marred by the fact that he racially segregated the federal government-and it stayed segregated right through the Democratic Party New Deal until the 1950s.

His record is also marred by his opposition to women's suffrage. He did not support votes for women until 1918.

Economic progressivism and human rights. do not necessarily go hand in hand.

I grew up in a union family and I can tell you something about union and workers--in 1980 the schoolyards were full of children wearing Reagan buttons-presumably because that was who their parents were voting for and many of those parents were wage earners and union members. Many young adults voted for Reagan, and voted enthusiastically. The Democratic Party had not thrown those people under the bus. These were people who had heard a message they preferred and they voted Ronald Reagan into office twice.

In the early 1900s there was a progressive wave sweeping the country. In the 1980s there was a reactionary wave.

I see Sanders as a certain type of progressive, not as the head of a progressive wave or a capital letter Progressive Movement but a certain type of progressive. He has his philosophy and priorities-they are different from mine.

To me he is progressive on some economic issues, not progressive on other economic issues. On human rights I consider him a moderate on his voting record and somewhat retro on his political analysis.


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