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Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:12 PM

 

Bernie demands that Democrats accept 100% of his platform? WTF?

I am beginning to really dislike Bernie a lot more than just find him to be an agitator. I have worked too hard for too long to see our party destroyed by someone who continues to use us as a platform for our own destruction.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:15 PM

1. When did he say that? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:19 PM

3. Joy Reid discussed his demands on the party this a.m.

Maybe that's what this is about. She basically was asking about his demands.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:50 PM

104. Sanders is done: I will waiting to hear Obama: I wish he would lead the party

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #104)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:23 PM

154. Nobody should take the OP's offering on face value.

I hope all DU'ers note that the OP did not offer a source. The only thing the OP did was make an allegation.


I personally think the OP is full of shit!

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #154)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:27 PM

202. Its not allegation that Sanders bashed the Dem's, it's a fact: He helped Trump!

 



Sanders makes me sick when I see him, he was just like Nader,
Sanders has put this country in danger, and if Nader had
not done what he did we wouldn't have had Iraqi war.

Both men think put ideology above country: People elderly
are now under attack from the GOP because of Sanders and
Jill Steins work.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #202)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:55 PM

203. All of that may be true, but the OP provided NO source for this allegation

In fact, the OP abandoned this thread after posting it.

All Du'ers should demand proof/source for such allegations. I believe all of us are served better by the truth rather than fiction.

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #154)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 12:13 PM

224. I'm seeing a lot of unsourced claims about Sanders.

Another thread to the trash.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:17 PM

2. Okay, that's enough.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:22 PM

4. Hold on, it's never enough!

It's never enough until your heart stops beating.



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Response to demmiblue (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:48 PM

19. Joy Reid made this statement this morning. Is she

in on "it", too?

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:19 PM

101. Hey thanks for that...nt.



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Response to druidity33 (Reply #101)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:21 PM

144. You're welcome!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:34 PM

7. They are going after Thom Hartmann and Matt Tiabbi also. nt

 

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Response to Snotcicles (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:57 PM

28. Hartmann is on RT bashing Democrats

 

Do you know what RT is? Or is this an inconvenience?

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Response to Chevy (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:36 AM

208. Yes I watch it occasionally. Hartmann is a solid Democrat. nt

 

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Response to Snotcicles (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:05 PM

36. Thom Hartmann is part of the Russia propaganda network. And Tiabbi is

a self-proclaimed libertarian. Not an ally.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:09 PM

39. Just like Intercept,TYT and Justice Democrats. N/T

 

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Response to Snotcicles (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:35 PM

65. Right, seeing those.

I'll be polite:

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:29 PM

5. This is what happens when there is no boss in charge and the vacuum creates situations we don't like

I do love Bernie, but it is time Democrats join together and knock the snot out of the park.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:32 PM

6. Please stop the divisive threads.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:35 PM

9. Not going to happen until Bernie stops making divisive satements and demands.

He's not a Democrat and should start his own Party.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:43 PM

15. That would destroy the Democratic Party.

Right now Progressives are a huge part of the party. Witness the primaries.
You really want to throw out nearly half of the party?

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:44 PM

16. And yet Hillary won. n/t

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:46 PM

18. About 98% of Bernie supporters voted for HRC, as did I.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:05 PM

35. So you admit the 2% caused Trump to become president.

2% is a huge percentage of so-called Progressives who couldn't be bothered to keep a racist and misogynistic malignant narcissist from the most important office in the land.

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Response to athena (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:19 PM

83. Actually the one to blame for Trump being in office is the EC.

Hillary won the popular vote in a landslide Trump only got in because the EC failed this entire country in doing their job which is to keep a complete fucking idiot out of office but had they done their job the words President and Trump would not be joined together now like an episode of the Simpsons with Trump

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #83)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:22 PM

84. So you're saying Bernie voters who voted for Trump did so believing that the EC would overturn them?

Good idea, there.

If those 2% of Bernie supporters could have brought themselves to vote for Hillary, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in, regardless of the EC, Comey, or the Russians.

But keep trying to blame others.

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Response to athena (Reply #84)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:46 PM

93. No, I'm saying its dumb to be blaming ourselves since it wasnt a lack of popular vote that cost her

the election rather it was the EC and their failure to do their job for whatever reason be it because they were required by state law to vote for x candidate or because they decided to be assholes and vote for Trump anyway.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #83)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:30 PM

119. What's the EC?

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #119)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:34 PM

123. Electoral college N/T

 

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #119)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:29 PM

147. Like Chevy said and they were setup to be a sort of firewall to keep someone like Trump from ever

getting into office unfortunately alot of them have lost sight of that fact and voted party over voting for the best candidate and others had to vote for Trump as some of the states mandate that they have to cast their vote for whoever wins the state which imo defeats the whole purpose of the EC which is to keep someone like Trump out of office.

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Response to athena (Reply #35)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:30 AM

168. We had millions of voters deprived of their votes by voter suppression.

We need to support them in getting re-registered and getting ID's.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:56 PM

106. thank you for that....

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Response to panader0 (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:27 AM

190. I doubt the 98%, but voting for the nominee is nothing to brag about,

That's what real Democrats do. They vote for the nominee.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:49 PM

128. And after that, she lost.

I do not find that inspiring of confidence.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:31 PM

213. Won what?

If you say popular vote it will show your ignorance on how our election system works.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #213)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 11:51 PM

216. She won the nomination. Did you happen to glance at the OP so you could follow the topic?

Hint - you might also check out the comment I responded to.

Thanks for your understanding.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #216)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:36 AM

220. That only counts if you win GE.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #220)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:26 AM

222. Uh huh.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #222)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 12:07 PM

223. Winning a primary gets you elected to what exactly?

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:51 PM

22. Seems that's what some folks want.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:52 PM

23. I am progressive but I did not support Bernie

I always believed he did not support women's rights, minority rights, and environmental protection as much as his other platforms. I did not trust him on those issues. When he said that Hillary was not qualified--that did it for me. I made up my mind to support Hillary at that time. You don't say that about the first woman candidate for President who was obviously qualified. You may not agree with her but she was qualified!!! It showed me that Bernie did not understand women's issues and did not retract his statement even when others said it was sexist.


Please do not perpetuate the idea that people like me are not progressive because we did not agree with the candidate you choose. I am not calling you not progressive even though I find those who do not put environmental justice, women's and minority justice first are wrong.

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Response to cally (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:08 PM

37. I refuse to call myself a progressive.

I am a liberal. I will not let the far right or far left turn "liberal" into a dirty word. I wear the label proudly. Additionally, I think the leftists in our party use the word "progressive" as a purity test. Our party does not need purity tests.

Funny thing, I have always been considered pretty far to the left. As soon as I declined to support Bernie, even though I did not change any of my positions, I became establishment, elitist, corporate.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:11 PM

42. I, too, prefer the term "liberal".

And I agree with everything else you said. All of it is true of me as well.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:19 PM

49. Me too.

 

No one ever accused me of being a centrist until this election. Friends, family, co-workers always considered me far left. I became a centrist somehow this election.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #49)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:33 PM

149. Go to politicalcompass.org

and take the test. It will be very enlightening.

There are also great links and articles there. It is like taking a mini political science course.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:22 PM

51. +1

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:34 PM

64. And the term Populists

 

a cute term used by the phony left and far right to cover for the agenda of marginalizing of civil rights and womens issues.

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Response to Chevy (Reply #64)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:24 PM

115. I hope you are not applying that to

EW too.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #115)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:33 PM

120. EW is a Democrat who

 

fights for all the causes that are being mentioned .

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Response to Chevy (Reply #120)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:34 PM

122. Exactly

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:34 PM

91. Thank you, Muriel, especially your last sentence!

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:02 AM

159. I consider "liberal" and "progressive" to mean different things.

"Liberal," to me, is anything left of center. "Progressive," to me, means far left. Liberals that are more moderate are sometimes considered RINOs because their positions are close to moderate Republicans in one or more areas (not the same, but close).

This is similar to the alt-right (tea partiers) of the right. They are conservative, but farther right than the moderate Republicans.

Where Trump falls in the spectrum of any party is beyond me. He doesn't seem to have any ideology or center other than money and himself and his family.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #159)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 05:21 AM

181. I did mention politicalcompass.org

in this thread. I have taken the test there, and it shows me as pretty far left, as I have always considered myself to be.

Progressive is a word people have adopted to get away from using the word liberal, since it has been sullied by the right wing media and other haters. I refuse to let those people define me. I am a proud liberal.

Liberals and moderates are not the same thing. One is either or.

And the alt-right is just another term for racists, anti-semites and misogynists. They don't get to soften what they are.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #181)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:10 AM

196. One can be a far-left liberal or a moderate liberal.

"Moderate liberal" does not mean neither left nor right, to me. There's a spectrum that starts at the "center" line and goes left and goes right. To the left of center all the way to the far left line is liberal. To the right of center all the way to the far right line is conservative or Republican. Someone in the center, or a bit left or right, is a centrist.

Anything left of center, other than maybe a tiny bit, is liberal. Pro-choice, pro-environmental, etc., but the devil is in the details. One can be pro-choice but not have a problem with banning abortions under certain conditions, or with jumping through hoops to get one. Or maybe supports gay marriage, anti-gay discrimination, but be against allowing transgenders in the bathrooms for the gender they identify with. A progressive, OTOH, may fully support all those causes, with no exceptions or limitations.

It's a spectrum. A Democrat can be any of several things, but they are all liberal (to the left or liberal side of the center). No one would call me a progressive, I think (except tea partiers), but I am definitely liberal.

What you are saying seems to be that anyone who is not far left is not liberal. That's not true. Progressive does not equal liberal. Progressive is at the far left end of the liberal spectrum. Moderate liberals are at the right end of liberal spectrum; that is still liberal.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:31 AM

200. Liberals unite!

The Republicans hijacked that perfectly honorable term and made it somehow a bad thing; now some of the so-called "progressives" are trying to do the same. I have no idea how or why it's supposed to be better (or more liberal!) to be a progressive. I am a liberal.

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Response to cally (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:10 PM

41. I am with you.

It is disturbing that the definition of the word "progressive" has come to refer to a philosophy of throwing women and minorities under the bus in order to focus on the interests of working-class white males.

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Response to athena (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:28 PM

117. EW is a progressive.

Strong on rights and economic justice. Where do you stand on her?

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #117)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:29 PM

118. What's your point?

Can you point to an article where Elizabeth Warren has thrown women and minorities under the bus?

Or is this just an attempt to try to change the topic or confuse the issue?

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Response to athena (Reply #118)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:45 PM

125. No, it is an attempt to bring the two

Warring sides on DU together to make a positive move. I do not know any BS supporters or Clinton supporters that would not have vote for her if she had rum against dumb shit. Makes me think she is the answer to all of this bull going on here.
Am I the only person on DU that can see the obvious. She is a champion for reproductive right, economic rights and a Democrat. I see her as our only current answer to the divide that that could destroy the party.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #125)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:00 PM

132. Elizabeth Warren is never going to be president.

The moment she announced her candidacy, she would be thrown under the bus by the very people who heaped hate on Hillary Clinton. The same goes for any woman who would display the gall to run for president in this super-macho country that believes that women's natural place is on the sidelines.

Please try to understand that many of us who are currently the most vocal supporters of Hillary are women who have faced the most disgusting forms of sexism and hate in the workplace for demanding to be treated as the equals of men. What HRC was subjected to was eerily familiar to us. We recognized what was going on. Sexism is never overt these days; it's always hidden behind reasoning that seems logical and fools those who are not intimately familiar with the tactics used.

You are never going to convince me that any woman would have been able to win where Hillary lost. She was a very strong candidate. Elizabeth Warren, with her soft voice and gentle, professorial demeanor, wouldn't have stood a chance. Claiming otherwise is a form of denial. Before we run a woman candidate again, we need to recognize and deal with the extent of misogyny in this country.

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Response to athena (Reply #132)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:25 PM

136. Whoa, she won the popular vote and

if those BS supporters stayed home or voted for trump as claimed. A smart women that stay on point with a consistent message and without all that baggage, have at least as much chance as the half Irish man that won twice, would be a shoe in.
I'm still of the opinion that she can bring you two warring factions together and go on to be the next President.
This endless fight is not helping one bit. I'm trying to give you people a way out of all this bull shit and a way to victory.

But what does this old man know?

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #136)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:34 PM

137. Thanks for not listening.

By the way, if fighting is not helping, then Bernie can easily end it by stopping his attacks against the Democratic Party and his calls for the Party he will not join to accept anti-choicers into its ranks.

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Response to athena (Reply #137)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:38 PM

138. To end a fight

both sides need to make changes.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #138)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:41 PM

139. What changes do Democrats have to make

to stop Bernie from attacking them? Should Democrats also make changes to stop Republicans from attacking them?

Thanks, but no thanks.

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Response to athena (Reply #139)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:56 PM

141. Good luck on the that road.

A divided party will stay divided on it.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #141)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:15 PM

152. Democratic Party. Bernie said he is an independent. BFD

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Response to athena (Reply #137)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 05:43 PM

207. +1

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Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:09 PM

142. ...

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Response to cally (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:41 AM

201. Yes, I think so as well. Now it is documented with his support of a candidate that is pro-life.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:19 PM

48. so only bernie fans are progressives? boy that's some hubris there nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #48)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:40 PM

70. I never made that claim.

What I say is THE ENEMY IS OVER THERE!
Let's not drive a wedge into our party. Please.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #70)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:18 PM

100. Unfortunately that's exactly what Bernie did

He drove a wedge thru our party by not graciously withdrawing when his loss was inevitable. Democrats graciously let him run in our party even though he was not a democrat. Some of the mean and desperate attacks on Hillary towards the end made me lose all respect for the Bernie I thought I knew.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #70)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:17 PM

153. Perhaps Bernie should join the party.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:32 PM

63. There are a lot of folks who are Democrats

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 07:20 PM

209. I don't think progressives are a huge part of the party. Do you have statistics about it?

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Response to George II (Reply #209)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 07:25 PM

210. I only know that, in the primaries, about 16.9 million people

voted for Hillary and about 13.2 million voted for Bernie. I believe that almost
all of those Sanders supporters voted for Hillary in the general election, as did I.
Bernie is the leader of the progressives. He endorsed Hillary and asked his
supporters to do so.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #210)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:12 PM

211. Sorry, I just don't believe that 43% of those who voted in the Democratic primaries, many....

....of which were open primaries where republicans whose candidate was a foregone conclusion voted, could be considered "progressives".

On top of that, turnout for the primaries was only about 30%, so gauging the % of Democrats who are "progressives" based on primary votes is questionable.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #210)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:22 PM

212. LOL

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #212)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:35 PM

214. What's the funny part?

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Response to panader0 (Reply #210)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 02:56 AM

219. He's not the leader of the progressives, he's the guy endorsing regressives.

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:34 PM

8. Bernie is the popular politcian in the nation.

By definition your opinion is a minority one. Minority opinions don't win votes or elections.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:39 PM

11. He's popular, but not that popular.

He has the highest favorable ratings of any US senator but the poll is about favorability among each senator's constituents, not national favorability.

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:49 PM

20. You would be completely wrong on that point.

He is the most popular across the board.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:02 PM

31. No, there is zero evidence of that. He IS very popular in Vermont,

but that popularity doesn't make him the most popular politician in America. The only recent study on politicians' national popularity included only 3 Dems, 4 Rethugs, and Bernie -- not much competition.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:13 PM

44. Survey: Bernie Sanders is America's most popular active politician

According to data from a Harvard-Harris survey provided exclusively to The Hill, Bernie Sanders is considered the country's most popular active politician.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/19/survey-bernie-sanders-is-americas-most-popular-active-politici/22046273/



On the facts you are completely wrong.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:28 PM

57. That's the poll I was talking about. You need to learn to check original sources

and not rely on misleading summaries.

There were only 3 other active Democratic politicians included in that survey -- Elizabeth Warren, Chuck Shumer, and Nancy Pelosi. So all this poll could show was that Bernie was more popular than those three -- none of whom, of course, got all the media attention he's gotten this year.

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Harvard-CAPS-Harris-Poll-April-Wave-Topline-Favorability-04.18.2017.pdf

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:28 PM

103. No, don't think so.

Certainly not wrong about the poll, and waiting for a poll surveying the popularity of Sanders and Obama. Or Sanders and Biden.

Wouldn't be close. Especially with Obama.

Sanders might win among those under 30, but Democrats, especially women who are aware of his less than progressive views on women's right to choose? Or minorities? Nah.

Or come to think of it, Elizabeth Warren. At least among folks who know about her.

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:01 PM

30. Incorrect. And his favorability is continuing to rise. Maybe in part because he is not beholden

to any establishment. But this is good for Dems, not bad, because he is aligned with us... the weight he carries among voters is beyond the range our party Dems can carry.


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http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating

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Response to JudyM (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:07 PM

108. And what happens when he's gone from the scene, Judy?

 

Do you think the goodwill he engenders from his followers will transfer to the Democrats?

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Response to Demit (Reply #108)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:46 PM

126. Almost entirely, yes. The pushback from those in the party who begrudge and vilify him needs to

stop or it risks alienating them, however. They are not about Bernie, per se (as much as some on DU falsely mock him for), they are passionate about the values he espouses and his courage in speaking truth to power, as clichéd as that expression can sound. I have been very deep in this part of the party, I'll acknowledge, having worked with his supporters all over the country. A few voted for tRump on the misguided belief that his Bernie-lite populism was genuine, but that was very, very few.

Based on their engaging him at a higher level, our party leadership obviously sees that we need to expand our platform and, hopefully, change our alliances/dependencies, in order to better align with what this large voting bloc finds most important. And the vast majority of that voting bloc (as heterogeneous as it is, not a uniform bloc) will vote Dem without a doubt if we shift in that direction.

The values-shift wouldn't be anti-Dem, in fact it'd go back to more traditional Dem values. At the heart of it, though, is a view that, to correspond with doing what is in the best interest of people and planet, the party needs to focus far less energy and revenue on what the big dollar donors/industries want, and far more on real social and eco improvement. If that change is made, the crowds will follow, because no way in hell will the rethugs meet us there.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:39 PM

12. LOL

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:51 PM

21. Democrats have lost the White House, the Senate, Congress, Governors, and State Houses.

It's not funny.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:52 PM

78. They lost it because some self-identified progressives refused to vote for Hillary

Even with what Comey did, if those JPR like idiots had voted for Hillary we wouldn't be where we are

Hillary lost Michigan by .3%, Stein received 1.1% of the. Vote. Similar results in Wisconsin, and the other critical swing states

Yeah it made a difference, and I will never forget or forgive the assholes who did that based on their false equivalencies that there was no difference, and falsehoods

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Response to still_one (Reply #78)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:53 PM

129. The responibility for getting Democrats elected is the Democratic Party. Period.

Not "JPR idiots". Not Jill Stein. Not Susan Sarandon. As soon as you relinquish the responsibility to some other entity you will forever lose. If you can't accept competition in the marketplace of ideas you don't belong in the race. If you're in charge of sales at Coke and market share has plummeted year after year, you can't go to management and claim it's all Pepsi's fault and keep your job.

There will always be third parties, Republicans, the media, etc. If your position is Democrats can't win because we always get out smarted by "idiots" we are doomed as a party.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #129)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:11 AM

163. A voice of reason that no one will listen to.

 

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #129)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:23 PM

204. Well stated...

I too wonder what the plan is. It seems like the only cure for the current situation would be to outlaw third parties and only allow chosen candidates to compete in primaries. Somehow I feel like I am being told to fall in line even though I have always voted Democratic.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:41 PM

13. ...

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:57 PM

26. I know, right?

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:59 PM

29. Note the ironic use of "minority opinion". nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:02 PM

32. Noted. (How could you miss it?)



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Response to LexVegas (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:18 PM

47. Minorities overwhelmingly support Bernie Sanders.

More than any other politician.

Your opinion is a minority one. Minority opinions don't win votes or elections.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:30 PM

60. Oh myyyyyy!!!

 

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Response to Chevy (Reply #60)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:15 PM

112. DITTO!!

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Response to Chevy (Reply #60)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:43 AM

161. Now he's just pulling ***** out of *************

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:38 PM

67. I dont personally know any that do.

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #67)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:42 PM

71. Personally I don't know any female Trump voters.

But guess what.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #71)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:48 PM

75. ...

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #67)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:20 PM

113. nope me neither

 

and judging by Twitter there is a loathing building.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:17 PM

82. LOL

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #47)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:41 AM

160. NOT true.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:41 PM

14. Let's see how popular Bernie is, if he keeps trump in office.

trump is a self-evident disaster, the right-wing media is coming apart at the seams, the populace is aroused---if Bernie has any hand in depriving the for-real Democratic Party of taking full advantage of these favorable circumstances, he'll have squandered his popularity, big-time. He needs to devote his efforts to positive, supportive actions, rather than diverting such actions for his own benefit. Enough is enough.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:54 PM

24. This is a minority opinion.

The nation is supports Bernie. Do the math.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:04 PM

33. What math? Other than Vermont voters being very happy with him,

what math are you talking about? Vermont is a mostly rural, 95% white state. His popularity there doesn't extend to everywhere else.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:24 PM

54. Is it that you just don't know the facts?

Or are you completely denying the facts? Bernie is the most popular politician in the nation. This is not debatable. It's like climate change and inauguration attendance numbers.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #54)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:29 PM

58. No, the problem is you're relying on a survey that doesn't say what you think it does.

In the poll you cited, he was only compared to 3 current politicians: Elizabeth Warren, Chuck Shumer, and Nancy Pelosi. So it couldn't possibly demonstrate he was the "most popular politician in the nation."

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Harvard-CAPS-Harris-Poll-April-Wave-Topline-Favorability-04.18.2017.pdf

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:05 PM

34. LOL



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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:29 PM

59. THE NATION IS SUPPORTS BERNIE!!!!11!!!!

Is not funny, do not laughing.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:32 PM

62. I is saw that! It to make me laughing!



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Response to betsuni (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:40 PM

69. Did you write that while

 

jumping up and down stomping your feet? Adds realism to the experience.

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Response to Chevy (Reply #69)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:42 PM

72. Of courses I did.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:39 PM

68. Bernie is cheered on the Unity Tour.

Perez is booed.

If you think this is a laughing matter for the Democratic party I see a world of hurt for you coming 2018-2020.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #68)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:43 PM

74. For "You"?

 

so your not a Democrat? Very well then.

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Response to Chevy (Reply #74)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:55 PM

79. Whoops! LOL

I saw that too!



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Response to Chevy (Reply #74)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:22 PM

102. I've been a life long Democrat. The day I turned 18.

Voted for every Clinton on every presidential ballot put in front of me. But I can see the writing on the wall.

I've seen the Unity Tour. I've seen the town halls. I've talked to my friends and neighbors. I've read the polls. If you think my views are some outlier, or I'm a Russian troll, or some other such nonsense you are whistling through the graveyard.







Ah, you've been with the professors and they've all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have discussed lepers and crooks
You've been through all of F. Scott Fitzgerald's books
You're very well-read, it's well-known
But something is happening here and you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?

-Bob Dylan

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #102)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:08 PM

109. The term Russian troll was never used

 

as you have been a member for a few years,your concerns would be taken more seriously if your post didn't come off as hero worship other than issue based debate.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #102)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:23 PM

114. WOW, speechless

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #102)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:02 PM

133. The idiom is "whistling past the graveyard."

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #68)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:52 PM

77. "Unity Tour" ... Ri-i-i-igt!



If you think this is a laughing matter for the Democratic party I see a world of hurt for you coming 2018-2020.
Interesting phrasing.


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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #77)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:57 AM

179. Symome Sanders:"In retrospect, she said, Maybe Bernie Sanders isnt the guy for the unity tour."

Perez was booed and BS did nothing to defend him..

While the booers waved their little hypocritical "come together" signs.

Symome Sanders:.. "In retrospect, she said, Maybe Bernie Sanders isnt the guy for the unity tour."

Why Bernie Sanders’s Unity Tour Failed

snip//

The independent senator hit the road with Democratic national chairman Tom Perez—and highlighted everything that's tearing the party apart.

https://newrepublic.com/article/142152/bernie-sanderss-unity-tour-failed

The next Unity Tour.. Send People on it who Want to Unify!








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Response to Cha (Reply #179)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:05 AM

184. I fear that because of an abundance of arrogance, this may have been a missed opportunity.

I don't know. I could be wrong. It's just my opinion. But that's what I fear. (I'll say no more for now for obvious reasons.)


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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #184)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:26 AM

189. Ya think! It will have to be The Unity Tour Redux

Now.. but we still have to get 'er done!

Real Unity

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #68)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:48 AM

171. Yes Perez was booed and BS did nothing to defend him..

the booers waving their little hypocritical "come together" signs.

Symome Sanders:.. "In retrospect, she said, Maybe Bernie Sanders isnt the guy for the unity tour."

Why Bernie Sanders’s Unity Tour Failed

snip//

The independent senator hit the road with Democratic national chairman Tom Perez—and highlighted everything that's tearing the party apart.

https://newrepublic.com/article/142152/bernie-sanderss-unity-tour-failed

The next Unity Tour.. Send People on it who Want to Unify!

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Response to Cha (Reply #171)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:32 AM

187. You know that video clip is now being used by the GOP as anti-Dem propoganda. Sad.

It was a missed opportunity to speak up FOR unity instead of inciting discontent and basking in it. I hope our party leaders will be able to take a valuable lesson from this huge mistake and make adjustments to the message and the troupe members.


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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #187)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:29 AM

191. ANOTHER Missed Opportunity to speak up for Unity!

Getting old!

I hope so, Jackie.. it's the Damnedest Thing.. only our Planet in Jeopardy!

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:13 PM

43. Poll ranked Bernie, Pence and Trump as the three most popular politicians

So I personally can't real excited about that poll. Bernie's great, don't care how popular Pence and Trump are. They are popular but they sure as hell aren't great.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:18 AM

164. They don't "do" math - they do "let's all hate Bernie together" for some inane reason

 

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Response to ciaobaby (Reply #164)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:42 AM

170. Math is hard!!! n/t

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Response to ciaobaby (Reply #164)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:45 AM

193. What does that even mean?

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:42 AM

197. We did the "math" last year. Your premise is incorrect.

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:09 PM

38. The most popular politician in the nation,

yet he did not win the Democratic primaries. Hmmmm.....

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:09 PM

40. FWIW Pence and Trump are 2nd and 3rd in that poll.

Love Bernie but popularity is a meaningless metric, given the next two on the list.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:37 PM

10. Any proof he actually said this beyond your recollection?

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:38 PM

66. That is a valid point. I would like to know also if he said that

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:44 PM

17. I think you need a source

If you're going to make a thread like this with that statement, I think you need to provide a link to a source. Otherwise, you're just being divisive.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:47 PM

148. Totally agree

We must demand sources for these types of threads!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:54 PM

25. As a recent delegate for Bernie

in the last Democratic primary I say "throw in the towel Bernie".
Time for the new blood that will be carrying the Democratic platform that they decide upon.
"Get out of the road if you can't lend a hand----"

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Response to randr (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:01 AM

173. say it after a thread can be corroborated...nt

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:57 PM

27. What part of Bernie's platform do you object too? Nt

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Response to killbotfactory (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:21 PM

50. His objection to TPP played right into Trump's hands.

Withdrawing from TPP is one Trump's few "accomplishments." It was a seriously damaging campaign to wage against Democrats. Politics aside the extent of the damage to US trade will become ever clearer with time.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #50)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:29 PM

88. Did Hillary running away from the TPP help?

It was a divisive issue among democrats. Bernie didn't create opposition to the plan.

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Response to killbotfactory (Reply #88)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:48 PM

127. 70% of those who opposed

 

TPP and who supported the Senator didn't even know what TPP stood for or what was in it. They just like yelling "No TPP"

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Response to Chevy (Reply #127)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:36 PM

157. Tell that to the rust belt swing state voters Hillary lost thanks to NAFTA job losses!!!


They knew just what it was.

OS

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #157)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:26 AM

165. If they relied on Sanders to tell them, they didn't have the foggiest.

He demagogued shamelessly:



Incidentally, US unemployment went down every year of Bill Clinton's presidency, and he signed NAFTA in the first. Also, MI unemployment was running at 5.1% last November, and in WI, at 4.1%. And another meme bites the dust.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #165)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:56 AM

172. The pay went from union manufacturing to asking about fries on your order sir?

Just working isn't the point. Living wage vs working 2-3 low wage jobs.

Look at the drop in union jobs after NAFTA. Companies like Maytag went to Mexico. I'm so glad they got bought out and the jobs came back here unionized. We bought their top rated by Consumer Reports washer a couple months ago.

The Nabisco products you eat. Looked at the box lately? Those union jobs in Chicago went to Mexico right before the election.

Carrier moving news broke at a bad time too. Those workers understood NAFTA & TPP.

I'm sorry you don't think GOOD jobs are worth protecting and fighting for.

And another meme bites the dust.

OS

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #172)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:09 AM

174. NAFTA didn't encourage offshoring, it regulated it, in 2 countries, Canada and Mexico.

Maybe there's a reason Apple makes iPhones in Asia eh?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #174)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:33 AM

177. NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality




Isn't a Canadian company threatening to take the USA to court for 1 billion $ if it can't build a pipeline to Koch brother refineries using NAFTA?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/nafta-at-20-one-million-u_b_4550207.html

NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality

By Lori Wallach

Snip: For NAFTA’s unhappy 20th anniversary, Public Citizen has published a report that details the wreckage. Not only did promises made by NAFTA’s proponents not materialize, but many results are exactly the opposite.

Such outcomes include a staggering $181 billion U.S. trade deficit with NAFTA partners Mexico and Canada and the related loss of 1 million net U.S. jobs under NAFTA, growing income inequality, displacement of more than one million Mexican campesino farmers and a doubling of desperate immigration from Mexico, and more than $360 million paid to corporations after “investor-state” tribunal attacks on, and rollbacks of, domestic public interest policies.

The study makes for a blood-boiling read. For instance, we track the specific promises made by U.S. corporations like GE, Chrysler and Caterpillar to create specific numbers of American jobs if NAFTA was approved, and reveal government data showing that instead, they fired U.S. workers and moved operations to Mexico.

The data also show how post-NAFTA trade and investment trends have contributed to middle-class pay cuts, which in turn contributed to growing income inequality; how since NAFTA, U.S. trade deficit growth with Mexico and Canada has been 45 percent higher than with countries not party to a U.S. Free Trade Agreement, and how U.S. manufacturing exports to Canada and Mexico have grown at less than half the pre-NAFTA rate.

FULL story at link.

I repeat those 1 million workers know it was NAFTA that killed their jobs. And they know TPP is NAFTA on steroids.

Do you really want to cover China trade? I'll be back in the morning.

OS

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #177)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:42 AM

178. NAFTA didn't kill those jobs, the Shrub administration did.

The writer conveniently blames the catastrophic Bush II economy on NAFTA and relies on libertarian nutjob Assange to fill her in on TPP. So did Sanders and a lot of other people but that doesn't mean it wasn't inane claptrap.

Anyway that's the view from the my neck of the woods, good night to you in yours

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #178)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:49 AM

199. Not a single link to support your opinion


Good morning...

Was the study discredited would be easy to find. Here is the study: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizen.org%2Fdocuments%2FNAFTA-at-20.pdf




From an industry publication: http://www.industryweek.com/who-is-killing-manufacturing

Snip: Under NAFTA, cheap American grain shipped to Mexico without tariffs destroyed peasant farming. And that prompted migration north. Meanwhile, American factories saw desperate Mexicans willing to work for a pittance, a government unwilling to pass or enforce environmental laws, and because of NAFTA, no tariffs when the goods were shipped back to the United States. That propelled factory migration south.

Before NAFTA, the United States had a small trade surplus with Mexico. That disappeared within a year, and now the annual trade deficit is approximately $50 billion.

Though it has been 22 years since NAFTA took effect, a report issued last week by the AFL-CIO says, “Labor abuses in many cases are worse now than before NAFTA. . . In short, NAFTA has contributed to labor abuses, not improvements.”

The report says the Mexican government fails to enforce labor laws and refuses to ensure that workers can form independent labor unions to try to protect their own rights. In fact, the report says, “The human and labor rights situation in Mexico is rapidly deteriorating.”

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #177)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:40 AM

192. That's not a result of NAFTA. What would it have been if NAFTA didn't exist?

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Response to George II (Reply #192)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:46 AM

194. Ask him


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Response to Chevy (Reply #127)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:28 AM

167. And you know this how ?????

 

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Response to Chevy (Reply #127)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 12:31 AM

217. 95% of the folks on this board were against the TPP

 

Long before they even knew what was in it even. Once the text of the bill was released 90% of this board couldn't be bothered to read it.

I would be willing to bet if you ran a poll right now here TPP would still have less than 30% support.

The vast majority of folks here can't get past a headline.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #50)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:57 PM

131. Didn't Clinton oppose this as well?

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Response to David__77 (Reply #131)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:52 PM

145. After first supporting it. n/t

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Response to QC (Reply #145)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 12:34 AM

218. Her reversal on the TPP

 

Was craven and purely based on the political winds.

A major disappointment for me but given the attitude of the country at the time not the least bit surprising.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #218)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:55 AM

221. Yep on all counts. Craven, calculating, and probably necessary,

given the attitude toward "free trade" prevailing last year.

(Now, I'm sure, Donald's Minions will be fine with it when he brings those trade agreements back.)

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:15 PM

45. long thread for a statement with no source

DU sure is kicking butt these days..

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:18 PM

46. We accepted pretty much of it at the Convention

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:23 PM

52. I was never a bernie supporter....

he was too off-the-rails for me. Now I dislike him even more.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:24 PM

53. Stop with the Bernie articles. This is active measures

trying to help the GOP keep power.

Get Trump maladministraion out first!

This bullshit is like worrying about your hangnail instead of your heart attack. Focus! Stay united to get Cheeto out!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:25 PM

55. WOW

This is not the way to remake the party and win in 2018 and 2020

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:25 PM

56. I recall similar statements during the 2016 campaign

This Bernie or Bust crap isn't working for me.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:32 PM

61. The more attention you give something, the bigger it becomes!

Simple law of the universe... and the mind. Above all else, like Bernie, hate Bernie, like him a bit, dislike him a bit. Give it a rest. We are all democrats here, the trolls want to divide us... is that what you want?? let it drop!!!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:43 PM

73. I have been listening to Rachel, Bernie and Thom for over a decade

What I have heard posted on DU does not represent the people I have listened to while I was working for all of those years. Anyone can take one topic or line someone says and turn it into a big negative deal. I do think the bots and the trolls have infested DU in the last week.

What if we all sat back, took a deep breath, and look at the whole of who we all are. We care about making our democracy the best it can be. That is where I have go at the end of the day when I am figuring who to vote for.

I voted for Bernie in the primaries because he represented AND had the track record that I most admired. I voted for Hillary for president and I was very proud to vote for her. She is also an amazing soul.

No one is exactly like me and I think that is a good thing. No one will be able to be exactly like we want them to be all of the time. I feel like we are taking our emotions back to junior high when we could not see the bigger picture.

The trolls are smiling and that is sad.

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Response to BittyJenkins (Reply #73)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:42 PM

158. Right there with you.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:51 PM

76. If you are going to post inflammatory articles about Sanders,

Please post a link to the claims you are making.

Otherwise it is purely (prohibited) Bernie bashing or (also prohibited) rehashing the primaries.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:57 PM

80. Democrats have lost state houses, governorships, Senate, House and only Pres. Obama has gotten

through the string of endless losses . . .

but somehow everything is Bernie's fault.

Hillary won the popular vote - that's true. But that, unfortunately, doesn't translate into winning the election since those aren't the rules we play by. She lost to Obama in the primaries and she lost to Trump in the election. Plenty of blame for that loss to go around.

Now the DNC is trying to figure out how to win elections. More of the same that got us here doesn't appear to be the answer. Looking at policies and strategies that Sanders embodies could be the answer (I personally think it is). But this latest stream of "media" stories about Bernie's problems reminds me of the primary -- and the same people seem to be going to their talking points. When will Jonathan Capehart chime in??????????????????????

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #80)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:27 AM

166. I am so glad I am not the only one who remembers the whole Jonathan Capehart Bullshit.

 

I still have to turn the station when he comes on MSNBC. He should have apologized.

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Response to ciaobaby (Reply #166)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:46 AM

188. I will never forget Johnathan Capehart

Like you, every time I see him on TV I puke.

But he's back and so are the same lies and bullshit we heard during the primary.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:07 PM

81. Now children, quit bickering...

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:24 PM

85. To sum up this thread: the Dems lost all four branches of government...

Thanks Bernie!


The Bernie bashing still seems to appeal to so many here that are angry that Trump won. Bernie, and his primary supporters, are NOT why Trump "won"

But keep your fury over they way things turned out focused on him. It will do a lot of good.

Not.

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #85)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:59 PM

99. They will continue to lose and lose badly because Democrats try to be Republican-lite.

I've been saying it for a long, long time. You have to act more like FDR/Sanders rather than Clinton/Emmanuel.

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Response to Darkhawk32 (Reply #99)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:49 PM

140. +1,000,000

The elephant in the room people gloss over, for some reason.

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Response to Darkhawk32 (Reply #99)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:32 AM

169. So True!

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:25 PM

86. If that is true, what aspects of his platform don't you agree with?

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #86)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:27 PM

156. The one where women don't count would be one. nt

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:29 PM

87. nikibatts I don't know what your agenda is, but you are the one with divisive intentions.

So stop this fucking nonsense.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #87)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:26 PM

155. +1,000,000

The OP has offered NOTHING in the way of sourcing!

I hope all Du'ers note that the OP has posted this allegation and has not responded to a single post asking for any proof that is what Sanders said. In fact, the OP has apparently abandoned this thread.

Use your head people! This post is BS in my opinion!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:32 PM

89. With u LA, the bickering and sniping and reaction

to the slightest perception someone is maligning their candidate causes way too many people here to lose sight of what's important - getting rid of the Orange Douche and electing more Democratic candidates across the country.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:33 PM

90. I voted for Bernie in the primary, but I am now getting pretty

sick of his shit. He needs to support us or fuck off.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:46 PM

92. Woah, calm down dramatic much?

Our party would be DESTROYED by Bernie's objectives?

His objectives are the only reason so many just JOINED the party.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:49 PM

94. Wonder what FDR

...would be demanding of the party.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:49 PM

95. Hooray!! Another god damn Bernie thread.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:55 PM

96. You've joined us a little too late for fighting the primaries.

But your concern is noted, as is your divisive attitude.

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #96)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:06 PM

107. + 1 !

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:56 PM

97. Link that he said that????

Or just stirring up the pot....AGAIN. More time wasted on this "back and forth nonsense" on this site. Unbelievable

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:58 PM

98. If Democrats were smart, they sure would accept 100% of his platform.

What exactly about his positions do you not like?

Universal healthcare? More accessible college education?

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Response to Darkhawk32 (Reply #98)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:25 PM

116. What don't they like? Two words: Bernie Sanders. (n/t)

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Response to Iggo (Reply #116)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:34 PM

121. Then they can continue to play the Washington Generals. n/t

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Response to Darkhawk32 (Reply #98)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:38 PM

124. The part about throwing out real choice as a plank

I can accept politicians like John Bel Edwards but would prefer more Jon Ossof's.

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Response to Darkhawk32 (Reply #98)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 05:20 PM

206. That was already in the platform that HRC ran on, and many more progressive ideas than anyone else.

This isn't the DEMOCRATS first rodeo.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:55 PM

105. hes toast to me. hes already campaigning with Ellison....

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:13 PM

110. Just think of what the left could accomplish if it could come together.

We all gotta see the forest through the trees.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:15 PM

111. PHAK GNUS?

No, thanks, I already have one.

P.S. By the way, this is a hit-n-run OP.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:56 PM

130. Link, please

That doesn't sound like something Bernie has ever said. I have a hard time reacting to statements that are not documented or sourced.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #135)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:21 PM

143. A link to the O/P?

Ok, then. There is no proof that he ever said that. Noted.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #143)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:49 PM

150. Correct. A transparent hit'n'run post.

Not one word from the poster after the trolling OP.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #150)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 05:42 AM

182. That's where I went too!

Just a grenade into the crowded room, and so many took the bait

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #182)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:46 AM

195. Somebody on TV said it.

Must be true.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:04 PM

134. He could shoot someone in the middle of the street...

 

And his base would still love him.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #134)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:21 PM

146. Ok now you have totally dragged this stupid thread off the edge. Jeez.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #146)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 06:19 AM

183. Mission Accomplished. It was teetering before the first reply. Nt

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:52 PM

151. NO!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:04 AM

162. Yeah well, that "aggressively anti-Choice" Heath Mello part of the platform isn't

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:12 AM

175. Lame

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:30 AM

176. We've got to be smarter than this.

Our focus should be on the usurper in the WH and the Republican traitors in Congress. Oh yeah, and their collusion with RUSSIA.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:10 AM

185. Ah, the old slice and dice the Democrats again trick.

Sorry, we would like to win an election again.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:45 AM

198. I do not accept the concept that we need to remake the party into the image of Sanders

I will not support these efforts

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:33 PM

205. This appears to be an intentionally

divisive post. When and where did Bernie demand that Democrats accept 100% of his platform?

Its starting to feel like a primary around here.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:38 PM

215. and the circular firing squad has no end

 

repugs love you for this!

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