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Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:06 AM

 

Has anyone read Matt Taibbi's book, Shattered, about the Clinton campaign?

This is not an anti-Hillary post and I fully believe the election results were questionable at best, but the excerpt I read was brutal.

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Reply Has anyone read Matt Taibbi's book, Shattered, about the Clinton campaign? (Original post)
Chasstev365 Apr 2017 OP
hrmjustin Apr 2017 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #24
QC Apr 2017 #25
lies Apr 2017 #2
Cha Apr 2017 #3
hrmjustin Apr 2017 #5
Cha Apr 2017 #9
spanone Apr 2017 #11
Cha Apr 2017 #12
nini Apr 2017 #20
Cha Apr 2017 #21
onecaliberal Apr 2017 #4
spanone Apr 2017 #6
jrthin Apr 2017 #7
still_one Apr 2017 #14
jmg257 Apr 2017 #8
AngryAmish Apr 2017 #15
spanone Apr 2017 #18
SticksnStones Apr 2017 #10
still_one Apr 2017 #13
delisen Apr 2017 #22
jehop61 Apr 2017 #16
stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #17
SticksnStones Apr 2017 #19
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #23
MFM008 Apr 2017 #26
JHan Apr 2017 #27
Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #28
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #29
JHan Apr 2017 #30
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #31
JHan Apr 2017 #32
JHan Apr 2017 #33
Pachamama Apr 2017 #34

Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:07 AM

1. Matt Taibbi has hated Hillary for years.

 

He is not worth reading.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:54 AM

24. Taibbi didn't write the book. I'm reading it now and it seems pretty objective.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:55 AM

25. His books about the race/c;ass divide in criminal justice

and the financial crisis are both very good.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:08 AM

2. There's multiple threads

 

about this... and the response is basically, "the book is russian propaganda and all a stupid lie".

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:10 AM

3. matt taibbi thinks there is no russian hacking. I think

he's a hack.

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:11 AM

5. Well put Cha!

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:17 AM

9. Hey Justin!

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:24 AM

11. he did not write this book.. johnathan allen and amie parnes did.

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Response to spanone (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:26 AM

12. Yeah, I read that.. thanks spanone.. I looked at my

post again...and decided it still stands.

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:12 AM

20. yep

he did his part to get us where we're at.

The fact people can't see through him boggles the mind.

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Response to nini (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:16 AM

21. They like his

emo-progness.

nini

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:10 AM

4. I have to tell you I am just as sick and tired of the Clinton bashing as I am Bernie bashing.

Fact: Secretary Clinton won by 3 million votes. Because of republican cheating and gerrymandering that orange lunatic is occupying the White House.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:14 AM

7. I plan on buying none

of these books and boycotting CNN. Those activities make me feel better. Additionally, when I can, I will starve any corporation ( by withholding my dollars) who aid and abet the mess we are in.

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Response to jrthin (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:31 AM

14. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:16 AM

8. Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes wrote Shattered. From interviews I have heard, they interviewed

hundreds of people related to the campaign.

Don't know what wouldn't be legit about it.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:33 AM

15. The fact that Putin funded it?

 

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:49 AM

18. post link to fact, please?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:30 AM

13. Shattered is NOT Matt Taibbi's book. It is a book by Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes. Taibbi may be

adding his opinion about the book, but he isn't the author.

Taibbi hates Hillary, so it is no surprise that he would jump on anything to get an opportunity to slam her.

He is very defensive about Putin, and argues and goes out of his way to say there is no proof that Russia interfered in our election, saying because we were "lied to about the WMDs", as though somehow that proves his assertion, which it doesn't, and then claims those who have been saying so are behaving like "Joe McCarthy". Under baseless claim.

Both Taibbi and Greewald are over-rated, and there personal bias makes them not objective at all



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Response to still_one (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:36 AM

22. Apologists for Dictatorships


and either/or thinking.

Just because our spy agencies have done bad things and lied to us does not Ean Putin is not intervening in our elections and trying to destabilize western democracies.



We are supposed to be understanding of Russia's desire for a warm weather port or for buffer states, or desire to breakup western alliances.

Ah, poor Russia-so misunderstood.

There is a part of the American Left and the American Right that is pro-dictatorship and part that is highly tolerant of dictatorship in foreign policy.





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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:40 AM

16. Hindsight is 20/20

If she had won, they would have used the same set of facts to say what a brilliant campaign she'd run. Won't buy this obvious attack on the person who lost. Time to look at our campaign for the future.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:42 AM

17. I can't read RUSSIAN...

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:05 AM

19. Why haven't you corrected the title of your post?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:52 AM

23. It's not Matt Taibbi's book - different authors. Just started reading it.

The authors' approach seems pretty objective. What I've read so far describes the destructive infighting among the campaign personnel during the primaries - haven't got as far as the Russia/Comey materials yet.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:11 PM

26. Because maggot is so

Much better than HRC would have been.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:18 PM

27. edit your thread post .

And news organizations would excerpt the most controversial bits that don't mirror the overall tone of the book for clicks and ratings.

but seriously .. just edit your title, Taibibi is not the author.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:43 PM

28. Was he a ghost...

...co-writer? I hear is gossipy and doesn't really explore Republican mechanics - and, of course, that Hillary won the vote handily.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:52 PM

29. The reviews on Amazon are interesting - many of the negative reviews complain

that the book was too favorable toward Hillary; many others complain that it was too critical of her. So, it looks like a lot of people are reading it through the prism of their existing bias. The fact that there seems to be no clear consensus among readers as to whether the book was pro- or anti- Hillary suggests that the authors were at least somewhat objective in their reporting.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:55 PM

30. a lot of responses to the book are based on the excerpts media outlets choose to highlight

because clicks and ratings.

but their book on Hillary's stint at the State Department is VERY good and destroys ridiculous rumors that were floating about when Obama picked her as SoS. And covers her frustrations and successes as Secretary of State.

I suspect I won't agree with everything in this book, but I have some confidence in the authors.

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Response to JHan (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:58 PM

31. The authors, WHO ARE NOT MATT TAIBBI, seem to have done a lot of legwork.

My impression so far is that they tried to be fair. People do tend to let their biases color their opinions.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:59 PM

32. i wish the OP would edit the title,

(zillionth hint)

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 01:00 PM

33. Yes,

there are probably some lessons in the book to learn, and I say that as a crazy ass HRC fan.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:00 PM

34. Based on watching 4 different interviews with the authors, I won't even bother to read it...this is

...in my opinion just another post election money making book opportunity and whether there are factual reporting in it or not, we have heard it pretty much all before and it's a story that happens in every election and with all candidates in some form or manner (i.e. Incompetent people, fighting between staffers, not having the right message etc). But it's completely irrelevant and a waste of time because in my opinion, even if Clinton had run the most flawless, perfect campaign - this election was tampered with and a foreign nation worked against this candidate with cyberwarfare and bits and misinformation and fake news and colluding with the opponent and therefore it's IRRELEVANT.

Maybe the authors would have better spent their time researching the Russian hacking and interference and writing a book on that instead of a whiny book about what the Clinton campaign did wrong.

All you need to know (and to save your money) is to just see several interviews with the authors and you know all you need to know.....nothing new or of value.

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