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Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:00 PM

Breaking. Exxon and Putin lose again! No sanctions waiver.


https://t.co/CEtAVb4l9B

MSNBC is reporting that the Treasury department has just ruled that several US companies, including Exxon will not be receiving waivers for the Russian imposed sanctions. This is obviously a huge deal for both Exxon and Putin as it leaves their joint $500B oil agreement frozen for the foreseeable future. I will update this with a link to a corroborating article once one becomes available.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/21/1655068/-Breaking-Exxon-and-Putin-lose-again-No-sanctions-waiver

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Reply Breaking. Exxon and Putin lose again! No sanctions waiver. (Original post)
kpete Friday OP
Phoenix61 Friday #1
SCantiGOP Friday #23
northoftheborder Friday #2
Skittles Friday #3
disillusioned73 Friday #4
kentuck Friday #5
KPN Friday #35
tenorly Friday #6
Wellstone ruled Friday #7
KPN Friday #36
Wellstone ruled Friday #39
KPN Friday #40
uponit7771 Friday #38
Qutzupalotl Friday #8
KPN Friday #37
BigOleDummy Friday #44
Dopers_Greed Friday #9
Cooley Hurd Friday #10
jrthin Friday #11
SunSeeker Friday #12
not fooled Friday #13
Bernardo de La Paz Friday #14
Marcuse Friday #15
The99thTimeLord Friday #16
calimary Friday #25
The99thTimeLord Friday #29
nikibatts Friday #17
lark Friday #18
Raster Friday #19
Enoki33 Friday #28
Blue_Roses Friday #20
stonecutter357 Friday #21
SCantiGOP Friday #22
Lyricalinklines Friday #42
Binders Keepers Friday #24
tiptonic Friday #26
BumRushDaShow Friday #27
LenaBaby61 Friday #32
BumRushDaShow Friday #34
unblock Friday #30
NewRedDawn Friday #31
Mr.Bill Friday #33
FreepFryer Friday #41
greymattermom Saturday #47
TomCADem Friday #43
Initech Friday #45
Sienna86 Saturday #46
Pachamama Saturday #48

Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:03 PM

1. WooHoo!!!

Great news to start the weekend off.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:35 PM

23. don't pop the champagne just yet

See my post #22 below.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:03 PM

2. Good news.

We'll see if Trump dares to strong arm this.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:13 PM

3. next up: Trump tries to abolish the Treasury Dept

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:15 PM

4. Something positive..

thank goodness - they are far & few between lately..

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:15 PM

5. They knew the timing was not right for such a deal...

So Trump will use the extra time, until the sanctions are lifted, to try and make a better deal for himself.

He's negotiating.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:04 PM

35. Exactly. They already got a bonfire burning. They are

stupid but not so stupid to throw a couple cords of wood and a few gallons of deisel on it! Wait 6 months or so.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:26 PM

6. Uncle Vlad no happy. Next stop:

Trump's piss tapes and Chaffetz's "bring'em young."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:29 PM

7. Dog and Pony Showtime.

This will happen,count on it,there is to much money chasing this issue for it to go away.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:05 PM

36. And too much Russian leverage over illegitimate 45 and his tawdry cabal.

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Response to KPN (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:22 PM

39. Corporate America is calling in their IOU's

as well as Putin and his Mob. Dipstick Donnie will capitulate shortly,and will cover his ass with some type of incursion in the Middle East.

Still say this Sucker is gone by New Years.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:29 PM

40. Geezuz do I hope you're right!

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:11 PM

38. +1

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:32 PM

8. Mnuchin has supported Democrats in the past...

Does he have a bit of conscience left?

The link says "in consultation with" Trump. Who told who what?

My gut tells me that since we're so close to Trump-Russia story blowing up, and Rosneft is the key to it all even Trump couldn't let this go through at this time. Better to avoid prison (possibly) even if it means losing billions.

That said, I still don't know what to make of Russia's forays into Alaska. Could be all for show, could be Putin is pissed, or maybe Putin is just testing Trump.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:08 PM

37. It's all just a big ole "misdirection" ploy. Both sides doin it!

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 10:50 PM

44. Just flexing

... and making Donnie boy remember whos the BOSS in that relationship..............

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:34 PM

9. Mnuchin about to get fired?

Maybe Trump will give him the "full confidence" kiss of death soon

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:37 PM

10. During the Bush 2 yrs, all he had to say was "Heckuva job" and you were gone

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:40 PM

11. YES!!!!!!nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:41 PM

12. K & R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:45 PM

13. They can't appear too complicit

it would have looked bad to lift sanctions on the first try. After they think the public is sufficiently tired of the story, they'll try again.

Of course, those of us here will never stop paying attention.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:52 PM

14. Putin might drop some more kompromat soon. Somebody dropped something on Chaffetz


... re story that Louise Mensch tweeted 8 days ago and confirmed by announcement 7 days later that Chaffetz would not seek re-election and will quit before end of term, maybe even in days.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:54 PM

15. Nyet?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:02 PM

16. Putin, sorry about that $500B oil agreement that's frozen for the foreseeable future.

 

Here's this thing called a "different" account where you'll find this problem goes away.

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Response to The99thTimeLord (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:10 PM

25. Welcome to DU, The99thTimeLord!

Methinks Vladimir is starting to understand what buyer's remorse tastes like. Wonder how long he'll remain patient before it's time to cue the kompromat?

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Response to calimary (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:23 PM

29. I wish they'd just do it.

 

It's pissing me off and I know that if some of the things we're hearing are true than it's all orchestrated. And to me that's completely infuriating to think about.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:14 PM

17. Wait until a few months from now when the Russian investigation is either over or folks are in jail.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:17 PM

18. Whoohoo!!

I really needed some good news and this hit the spot. Oh, I bet Pootie and Drumpf are just steaming mad right now. Will Drumpf go on a tweet storm regarding his own cabinet pick? I can't imagine him just letting this slide, it's the one thing (other than eliminating himself from paying taxes ever again. He needs to accomplish this so he can return to money laundering for Russian mobsters, selling them houses at 10x the value once sanctions get removed.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:22 PM

19. Sucks to be Rexxon* and Putin...

...and I don't believe for one minute that the tRump* "administration" does this for the right reasons... this is all about laying cover until the next best opportunity without all that pesky observation and oversight from pissed-off citizens. Even the most deliberately obtuse of the tRumpers* would see the ulterior motives.

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Response to Raster (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:21 PM

28. Think you are correct. There are way too many loose threads for them to

do anything else but wait. For the reputations that been gambled and money at stake don't think for one minute it will be going away. As Rumsfeld might say, there are too many known unknowns.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:33 PM

20. Good news

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:33 PM

21. we could trade little oil for the trump pee tape.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:34 PM

22. They lose?

Check some stories on the internet. This is being run as "the Trump Administration has denied permission.'
I would call that a win.
And when they reverse the decision in a few months no one will notice and it will be a double win for Exxon, Putin and Trump.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:30 PM

42. I agree. This is more of the same 'bait n switch' these guys seem to be adept at.

But in a few months, after they've shoved a health care bill through using the upcoming spending bill deadline (April 28) as leverage they'll do taxes and hope voters won't notice.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:35 PM

24. this might piss Putin off enough

that we get some pee tapes out of it!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:16 PM

26. Just remember

Exxon never looses. Remember 'real men, drill for oil'.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:19 PM

27. It's too soon

and would be way too obvious. They will try again by sliding it in a must-pass appropriations bill or on some innocuous bill that gets a unanimous consent vote because lawmakers were getting out of town for yet another break.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:30 PM

32. "It's too soon."

Agree.

They'll get that deal DONE, but as you said if it passed right now, a bit too obvious.

However, it's funny that they'd try to make it "appear" to be them slapping the Secretary of Secrecy and big daddy blackmailer and puppet master putin, because most in the media won't say too much about it, plus what can we as the people exactly do about it in the short term?

That big, tasty oil deal WILL be done.

"Or else" says big daddy blackmailer putin.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:53 PM

34. And lest we forget that

Rick Perry is in DOE and is probably busy making sure the paperwork details are taken care of. He's already getting ready to start manufacturing ways to justify more subsidies for fossil fuel providers by dredging up the age-old GOP mantra of "market forces" as part of directing that studies be done of the current electrical grid.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:27 PM

30. i foresee an angry tweet about "obama holdovers" and followed by a firing and a reversal....

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:28 PM

31. I am sure they are

doing business through the back door anyways. Sanctions just a formality.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:50 PM

33. First they need to get a big war going on in the Middle East to jack up the price of oil.

Then they will tell us it will bring down the price of gas if we get access to the oil in Russia.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:19 PM

41. We should retaliate by hitting them where they live - eliminating their oil platforms.

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:08 AM

47. Or, even better

there should be an oil platform off shore at Palm Beach.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 10:37 PM

43. I Think The Sudden "Tensions" Between the US and Russia Were A Smokescreen...

...to try to take attention from this request in order to demonstrate that Trump is not just a Russian puppet.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 10:55 PM

45. Good, the oil companies can go fuck themselves.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 06:51 AM

46. Exxon and shell companies

Perhaps that is the plan.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:36 AM

48. This is just another move in their 3 Dimensional Chess Game - They know they can't let the "Crime"

...and the ultimate payoff (lifting of sanctions) happen in a quick and obvious manner. Remember, they know that the FBI and Investigations are closing in on them (since the "Sting" operation has been revealed) and the arrests can't happen without the "proof" and the payoff in the crime occurring. So if Trump and this administration appear to show they are tough on Russia and didn't want to lift sanctions, and even made tough statements to the contrary, then they can say "what crime? What collusion?".

However, it's all part of the strategy. With the possibility of events in Syria and all out war in the Middle East and even what is happening with North Korea, just wait and see that suddenly Russia and Putin will appear and do something that is a big move in helping stabilize the situation (i.e. Help get rid of Assad and stop the war) and as a reward, the Trump administration (after appearing so tough on Russia) will relent and reward in the name of "peace" to Russia by lifting sanctions.

Then no matter what the FBI and Intelligence communities can try to pin on them for collusion, they can always claim it is a false witch hunt and that they did no pro quid quo and if anything, they helped bring peace to Middle East and world...

And we all will just be expected to believe that it's coincidence then that the Exxon CEO is Sec. Of State and that Goldman Sachs people are all around Trump.

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