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Mon Apr 17, 2017, 01:33 PM

 

Democrats welcome Bernie takeover

Democrats welcome Bernie takeover
By Amie Parnes - 04/17/17 06:00 AM EDT

Democrats previously reticent to welcoming Sen. Bernie Sanders into their fold are coming around.

More than a dozen Democrats interviewed by The Hill say the Vermont Independent has become a powerful and welcome voice for a party struggling to find its identity after a devastating defeat in 2016.

While misgivings remain about giving too much leadership to a politician who technically isn’t a Democrat, a clear warming trend is on the rise.

“It continues to drive me a bit nuts that he continues to register as an Independent, but the bottom line is that he is a good Democrat,” said Jim Manley, a Democratic strategist who supported Hillary Clinton during the Democratic presidential primary and openly worried then about Sanders’s allegiances to the party.

During the primary, some Democrats worried that Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, was pushing the party too far to the left.

Others mocked him for being a one-issue candidate who championed what they called “unrealistic” proposals like free college tuition.

And he angered some Clinton allies who felt he stayed in the race too long and cut into her message and campaign coffers.

At least some Clinton supporters think Sanders deserves a part of the blame for Clinton’s loss to Donald Trump in the general election.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329049-democrats-welcome-bernie-takeover

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workinclasszero Apr 2017 OP
Chevy Apr 2017 #1
FakeNoose Apr 2017 #33
Chevy Apr 2017 #52
Post removed Apr 2017 #39
Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #2
Gothmog Apr 2017 #3
ATL Ebony Apr 2017 #17
WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #23
Gothmog Apr 2017 #60
stevenleser Apr 2017 #74
uponit7771 Apr 2017 #4
bettyellen Apr 2017 #5
trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #7
StubbornThings Apr 2017 #12
bettyellen Apr 2017 #15
StubbornThings Apr 2017 #21
bettyellen Apr 2017 #29
StubbornThings Apr 2017 #38
bettyellen Apr 2017 #48
ATL Ebony Apr 2017 #18
LakeArenal Apr 2017 #66
trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #6
pennylane100 Apr 2017 #16
Demit Apr 2017 #82
pennylane100 Apr 2017 #86
Demit Apr 2017 #87
pennylane100 Apr 2017 #88
Demit Apr 2017 #92
Alice11111 Apr 2017 #95
LakeArenal Apr 2017 #67
randome Apr 2017 #8
demmiblue Apr 2017 #9
NCTraveler Apr 2017 #10
retrowire Apr 2017 #22
NCTraveler Apr 2017 #26
retrowire Apr 2017 #32
NCTraveler Apr 2017 #34
retrowire Apr 2017 #36
NCTraveler Apr 2017 #41
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #11
Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #13
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #14
WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #25
QC Apr 2017 #28
synergie Apr 2017 #107
Alice11111 Apr 2017 #96
R B Garr Apr 2017 #103
Alice11111 Apr 2017 #110
Alice11111 Apr 2017 #112
Alice11111 Apr 2017 #113
Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #19
bettyellen Apr 2017 #30
leftynyc Apr 2017 #20
ProfessorGAC Apr 2017 #24
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JCanete Apr 2017 #71
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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 01:44 PM

1. Fake news. N/T

 

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Response to Chevy (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:39 PM

33. Click bait

...which is even worse than fake news.

Just sayin'

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:31 PM

52. Agreed, this op

 

could be considered that as well.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 01:47 PM

2. Something wrong with this.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 01:50 PM

3. I doubt the premise of this report

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:50 PM

17. Agree

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:03 PM

23. It seems the author is basing this on a dozen Democrats

 

It's quite hyperbolic.

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Response to WomenRising2017 (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:47 PM

60. Agreed-The party has not agreed to be remade into Sanders image

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Response to WomenRising2017 (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:07 PM

74. And she has a book to sell that depends on a certain narrative.

 

I don't by her report at all

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 01:52 PM

4. nnoooo

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 01:53 PM

5. "Takeover" if you don't see how deliberately divisive this crap is, I can't help you. Unrec.

 

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:10 PM

12. Why are you going after Bernie here?

 

Where did he say, "I'm taking over the party"?

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Response to StubbornThings (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:28 PM

15. It's not Bernie, it's the OP. Falling for this divisive shit again.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:02 PM

21. You said, "Get it Bernie?"

 

Is the OP's name also Bernie?

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Response to StubbornThings (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:24 PM

29. I didn't- and this misquoting thing has gotten out of hand.

 

My point is the OP chose the "fighting words" in the headline of a very divisive articl -and "takeover" is inherently divisive. Not sure why people here expected anyone to read deeper when the editors wanted it to be click bait. Not rewarding the editors for that.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:57 PM

38. Well, maybe you shouldn't have answered a question that wasn't directed at you.

 

You were misquoted because I assumed only the person that I directed my post at would respond, which is perfectly reasonable.

My problem with the other poster was going after Bernie with 'Get it Bernie?' when he has never said he wants to take over the Democratic party. I don't disagree that the headline was flame bait.

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Response to StubbornThings (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:26 PM

48. I was trying to explain that some people are stoking the flames....

 

Same as last year. I don't think OPs like this are an innocent accident after an entire year of this crap. When you put it in context of what Russia is trying to do with Dems- why are people helping them with this sort of garbage?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:53 PM

18. +1000

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:52 PM

66. Yes.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 01:55 PM

6. not me. The Phrase "TAKE OVER" is not appropriate. My vote will go to a Democrat, not Independent

Don't want to beat a dead "donkey" but our party is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
Bernie needs to change his party affiliation if he wants the Dems votes.

WHEN WILL HE LEARN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:48 PM

16. Why have the democrats had such a run of terrible luck lately,

They have lost control of the white house, both houses of congress and will be on the wrong side of most supreme court decisions because they could not get even get their nominee a hearing.

I supported Bernie in the primary but as soon as Hillary won, I did not even hesitate for one second before supporting her. I have always considered myself a socialist, although I have always voted democrat. I find that taking the attitude of "my way or the highway" over party labels is a recipe for failure. As long as my candidate supports a progressive agenda, he or she can can call themselves whatever suits them.

Bernie answers to the people of Vermont and they have continued to support him regardless of what label he wears. To put the label he wears over his agenda has not served us well and as the saying goes, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.










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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 06:08 PM

82. Isn't he the one "putting a label" over his agenda?

 

He prefers to call himself an Independent. So he too can call the Democrats "they" when it suits him, I guess. Like you just did.

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Response to Demit (Reply #82)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 07:34 PM

86. You are missing my point.

He has always been able to refer to the democrats as "they" because while he has always caucused with them, he was not a party member. He ran as a democrat so that he would not play the same role as Nader and split the progressive vote. He did so because he put the progressive cause above his own need to identify as a socialist. The democrats never gave him credit for that.

I did so for my own different reasons. Having been born in a country where socialism was a respected term, I always agreed with its principles. I knew that voting independent or social democrat, was not a winning idea in this country, that always puzzled me, but I wanted to make my vote for a progressive cause count so I registered as a democrat after I became a citizen.

So, I do not vote as a democrat "because it suits me", I do so because it is more important that I vote for a progressive cause rather than be concerned about what label would I wear.

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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #86)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:07 PM

87. Now I really am confused.

 

You registered as a Democrat, you vote as a Democrat, and you still call us "they"?

Quoting you:
"Why have the democrats had such a run of terrible luck lately, They have lost control of the white house, both houses of congress and will be on the wrong side of most supreme court decisions because they could not get even get their nominee a hearing."

I believe you, that you don't vote as a Dem because it suits you. But calling us "they" and "them" tells me that you still don't consider yourself one of us. You prefer to stand a little apart. Just as Bernie Sanders does. I'm not sure what point you were meaning to make, but that comes through loud and clear.

(Btw, Bernie switched parties for the advantages of access to party resources & visibility it gave him in the PRIMARY, in which he was running directly against Clinton. "Splitting the progressive vote" in the primary was irrelevant. It would only have applied if he had run third party against Clinton & Trump in the GE.)

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Response to Demit (Reply #87)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:20 PM

88. I cannot help you with your state of confusion.

Just learn to live with it.

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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #88)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:20 PM

92. Of course. You have enough to deal with, with your own.

 

Good luck!

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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:57 AM

95. with maybe a dabb of incompetence, at least at the National level. I'm not saying that Comey wasn't

the final abusive and insulting straw. However, if we can't discuss, debate and address these errors to improve the party, it will be, a stunning defeat, " Democrats Lose, 4.0." I don't see significant changes. In fact, it may be worse.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:56 PM

67. My party right or wrong.. exactly like republicants.

Bernie got an awful lot of votes.. Must have been all republicants.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 01:58 PM

8. Some "takeover". Given a position where he will refrain from badmouthing us.

 

Seems like a good tactic, actually. I agree with others who say this is just more divisive crap. They know how to tincture stories like this to inflict low-level disruption.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is [strike]-hockey-[/strike] Conservative values!"
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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:00 PM

9. It is obvious the knee-jerkers didn't read the article.

The title is really misleading.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:03 PM

10. He is a resource and it appears we are going to use him wisely.

 

The other option is to not use our resources wisely.

The number one thing Sanders can do today is to turn over his email list. That will really show us what kind of a person he is. Will he hold his resources hostage?

One Democratic consultant who supported Clinton joked that it was the “Bernie Band-Aid tour: We’ll slap him over our problems but fundamentally change nothing.”

“You come out of the gate and this is who you’re dragging around with you,” said one former DNC official. “A majority of people supported Hillary Clinton in the primary and making Bernie one of the main figures of the Democratic Party isn’t going to do a damn bit of good."


From the article.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:03 PM

22. I feel like him turning over the email list would only hurt

All those who signed up for the political revolution are now suddenly getting bombarded with Democratic party emails?

Doesn't seem wise.

I think Bernie is using it best. To motivate for turnout against Trump.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:06 PM

26. It would tremendously help.

 

I don't think you get what all comes with it. Clinton didn't just give over her email list, she told them her strategy and how she formulated queries and databases.

There is simply no question that Sanders turning over the same info Clinton did would be big for us. That said, it would take a team player like Clinton to do so.

This whole concept can only be understood by those who understand "It takes a village".

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:34 PM

32. Ok

Explain to me what would be done with the email list so I can understand the benefit.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:42 PM

34. Along with the email list she turned over her analytics and voter modeling tools.

 

These would clearly be hugely beneficial to the DNC if Sanders would do the same.

Still, I expect very few to be as transparent and helpful as the Clintons. I still think they undervalued the information at just over three million. Again, good on them.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:54 PM

36. Ah ok

So it's more than just emails.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:04 PM

41. Always is....

 

isn't it.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:09 PM

11. The full story is much more nuanced

C'mon folks, we all know that headlines were always the original form of "click bait". That isn't going to change. They are written to grab attention - that is their job. Our job is to actually read the stories and decide how much merit they contain.

I would say the full range of opinions discussed there are all on display at DU. The take away, if you trust the reporting, is an overall cautions warming up toward Bernie inside the Party, certainly with some exceptions.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:21 PM

13. The animosity toward Bernie on display here is disconcerting.

Shouldn't we support his tireless efforts to make the 2018 elections a Democratic Party victory?

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:27 PM

14. Of course.

Any thread that has Bernie's name in it will catch a certain amount of flak here from some determined folks who feel the way that some of those reported on in the story do, about him "not being a Democrat" etc. But the story I believe is accurate, theirs is not the predominant view. That is why Tom Perez is out on the road with Sanders right now - and Perez actually beat the candidate who Bernie endorsed

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:06 PM

25. A nice effort would be for Bernie Sanders to turn over his email list.

 

That would be quite helpful for 2018.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:08 PM

28. It's a way to rehash the primaries w/o getting a hide.

Very popular pastime in these parts.

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Response to QC (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:49 PM

107. Yeah, that seems QUITE popular. Not clever or subtle at all.

 

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:04 AM

96. One would think.I wasn't a Berniecrat,but I'm sick of this self righteous, narrow minded,punitive BS

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #96)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:42 PM

103. "I wasn't a Berniecrat, but"

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #103)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 03:13 AM

110. I actually wasn't either, but give the guy a break


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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #110)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:26 PM

112. !!!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #103)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:28 PM

113. Good!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:57 PM

19. What the fuck ever happened to partnerships and working together?

Why must it all be a zero-sum game?

Granted, my gripe is much more about the bullshit framing of the intentionally divisive headline than Sanders....

I keep warning folks that there is a very large group of pundits and activists left/right/center with a vested interest in making sure this "battle" for the Dem party is as protracted and bloody for as long as possible... Recognize these tactics when they are employed...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:26 PM

30. Yes- "these tactics" are exactly the same as the Russian propaganda- bummed to see people still

 

Falling for this crap.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 02:57 PM

20. Why would I believe

 

any writer who writes for the Washington (Moonie) Times? The title of this dreck alone was reason to look up the author and there she was, writing for a paper I wouldn't line my cat litter with.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:04 PM

24. Oh, That's Not True, Lefty

You would line your cat litterbox with that paper! I know i would, if that rag ever got within 950 miles of my house.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:13 PM

42. LOL - but that would mean

 

it got INTO my house. That would never happen. Even my cats can't stand the sound of degenerate donnie's voice. Their hair stands on end.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:19 PM

46. Yeah, You're Right!

My fault! I forgot about the fact that it would actually have to get inside. Same thing would happen with us, too.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:34 PM

31. Let me know when Sen Sanders

JOINS the Democratic Party.

Oh, and also let me know when he considers the protection of the civil, human and Constitutional rights of women to be a top priority for him.

So far, he's 0 for 2.

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:57 PM

37. Is Sanders supporting a pro-life candidate somewhere? Not that I'm aware of. He is supporting

 


a candidate who has officially regretted an egregious pandering vote, and who avers his pro-choice position. Is Obama today, anti-gay because he didn't at one time support gay marriage? Pasts should not be ignored, and we should be wary, and scrutinizing, but people to evolve on these issues, whether for political or personal reasons. If they are good on an issue now, doesn't that count for something?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:15 PM

43. Sen Sanders told Joe Scarborough in March of 2017

that women's rights were negotiable. When Scarborough asked if Dems could be open to anti-choice candidates, Sen Sanders said YES.

Sen Sanders does NOT speak for me or for Democratic women. My rights are non-negotiable.

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:18 PM

44. You can speak for yourself, but not for "Democratic women"

Don't speak for me. Don't speak for many "Democratic women" I know personally. We are not part of this group speak about Bernie and the supporters.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:28 PM

49. The Dem party does not consider reproductive rights as "negotiable" and that's part of why I support

 

The Dem party. In this day and age anything g less is unacceptable.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:49 PM

62. I DO speak for Democratic women. Suggest you read the Democratic party platform.

Democratic Party Platform of 2016:

Securing Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice

Democrats are committed to protecting and advancing reproductive health, rights, and justice. We believe unequivocally, like the majority of Americans, that every woman should have access to quality reproductive health care services, including safe and legal abortion -- regardless of where she lives, how much money she makes, or how she is insured. We believe that reproductive health is core to women’s, men’s, and young people’s health and wellbeing.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/papers_pdf/117717.pdf

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:28 PM

77. No different than Hillary Clinton saying she'd compromise on abortion rights, IMO

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #77)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:52 PM

91. Sec'y Clinton NEVER said "I would compromise" etc.

What she DID do is clearly describe the parameters of Roe v Wade. If you have to resort to a RW site's intentionally false and fake headline to attempt to prove your point, it would seem that you don't have one.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #77)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:24 PM

102. That is a bit different...

she was talking third term abortion...and wanted health and welfare of mother...not the same as supporting a pro-life candidate.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:30 PM

50. He just stated that we should not be "rigid" about supporting women's basic

 

human rights. Has he "evolved" since saying that a few weeks ago?

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Response to synergie (Reply #50)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:03 PM

71. what he said is being well overstated. His own record on this issue is solid. The Democratic party

 

as a whole has a far less solid record on this issue...and that is candidates the party has supported and funded. You may not like it, but first, Sanders explained that he has no problem getting elected with the support of conservatives in-spite of his liberal positions, in his home state, and then, to a question with a lot of wiggle room, because what is rigidity to pro-choice...late term elective abortions? ... he simply pacified it with a non-specific yes to return to his main point. You do know that Clinton ran on a ticket with a pro-life Senator don't you? Would you consider him to be rigidly pro-choice?

The important thing is that he hasn't undermined pro-choice legislation, even though he's not comfortable with supporting abortion. The question to Sanders was not, "would you support a candidate who would help to erode women's rights over their own body," nor did the answer imply anything of the sort. Do you want clarification? Fine. But don't pretend his words are already saying something they aren't.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #71)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:20 PM

75. "His own record on this" shows that time and time again,

Sen Sanders does NOT prioritize the protection of women's rights.

He stated just several weeks ago that he thinks the Democratic Party should cozy up to anti-choicers.

He falsely called Planned Parenthood Action "part of the Establishment" during his campaign.

He attacked a feminist gubernatorial candidate running against him for the governorship of Vermont, saying that he would be "a better feminist" than her, and that she "had done nothing for women" - both of which were patently false and deliberately inflammatory assertions.

In his political career, he has consistently back-burnered woman's rights, positioning them as subservient to his agenda.

https://medium.com/@sgcbsg/political-sexism-the-old-new-left-bernie-sanders-s-revolution-relies-on-regression-761c907b0ed1

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #75)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 06:07 PM

81. Planned Parenthood has made inroads with the Establishment of the Democratic party. They

 

invested a lot of their energy there, because it made sense. Those are the people that can help the cause the most given their influence. Of course they were going to back the establishment, and as such, political organization that it is--having political clout and value on our side of the aisle, but also an insider element to it that comes with back-scratching--it is part of the establishment. He didn't trash it for being so. People were trying to put a lot of value on Planned Parenthood's choice of Clinton over Sanders, and he deflected it with what I think is an entirely fair assessment, which again, has nothing to do with the value of the work they do. You want to show me where he actually negatively characterized Planned Parenthood, then we can talk, but it sounds like you just want to have a reason to not like this guy.

The rest I'll get to later. I'm off to work.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #81)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:44 PM

90. You might (or might not) be interested to know

that I was a longtime admirer of Sen Sanders. I listened to him weekly on Thom Hartmann's "Brunch With Bernie" segment for many years, and liked a lot of what I heard. Also, I was not a particular supporter of Sec'y Clinton in the 2008 cycle.

The events of the 2016 electoral cycle, and how Sen Sanders handled and spoke about them, is what changed my mind about him. He never disowned the "Operation Chaos 2016" BernieBros, who were never Democrats nor actual supporters of Sen Sanders in the first place. What I saw was a man who enjoyed getting his ego stroked more than he cared about the Democratic Party and the democratic process. I'm not going to go any further on my opinion on this since we (DU) are supposed to be moving on from primary divisions. But suffice it to say that I was VERY disappointed in what Sen Sanders showed himself to be during the primary process.

Also would like to say that the events of the 2016 electoral cycle, and how Sec'y Clinton handled and spoke about them, is what changed my mind about HER. I changed from a hold-my-nose-and-pull-the-lever voter, to fully supporting her and her candidacy.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:52 PM

35. more than a dozen democrats interviewed...were they Senators or something?

 


The title is hyperbolic, and 'takeover' should not be how we think about or phrase any influence that Sanders has had or might have on our direction. If ultimately, the Democratic base likes what he's saying, they will take it and run with it. Arguably any movement is going to be more a matter of compromise between the more left leaning and more centrist dems so that the party can survive...

or else, at some point when the media stops covering lefties(and it will when it starts to matter again), and people have forgotten about Sanders, etc., the party leadership will feel that there's no need for compromise and that things are going swimmingly, and will have total confidence that the entire base will come around.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 03:59 PM

40. Another over-the-top headline writer. Do they do this purposely to stoke division?

It just gives carte blanche to the negative nellies to jump into this thread. Those that will never forgive Bernie for daring to run against, and take the polish off of, the chosen one last year. And then that he didn't just shut up and melt away. How dare he try and help the party do better? How dare he use his populism to attract new Democrat voters? (It may make him look good and not fit in with their "Bernie Bro" narrative)

I wish DU would sticky-post this quote from the article on their front page:

“If you are concerned with labels, you might bristle at the notion of a registered Independent jockeying for control over the direction of the Democratic Party — and there were certainly some in the party apparatus that expressed precisely this sentiment during the 2016 campaign cycle,” said Lynda Tran, a Democratic strategist.

“But if you’re focused on policy ideas over party labels you might welcome the inclusion of his voice, and frankly other voices too, at a time when the Democratic Party is under intense attack and working on the path forward."

“At the end of the day, Bernie Sanders may be a registered Independent, but he has always caucused with Democrats and there is no question he continues to enjoy strong support among many members of the Democratic Party,” Tran added.

The DNC has sought to harness energy from Sanders and unite the party after last year’s divisions."


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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:19 PM

45. The divisiveness

and derision are reasons I rarely visit DU these days.

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Response to chervilant (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:36 PM

55. I really wish the admins would do something about it, like post that quote or something

Every damn OP that dares to shed a good light on Sanders efforts is like a beacon to disrupt and sow division from a small but mean group. And now an OP that actually states how the DNC is fully on board with working with Sanders?! Its just too much for some of them that refuse to even believe it. Its "fake news" because it doesn't fit with their unhealthy destructive narrative.

I didn't support the "burn-the-house-down" belief that some in JPR were comfortable with. The stakes were too high this time around. Like Bernie, I backed Hillary after the convention. But there are a few left in here that seem to prefer the burn-down-the-house approach, albeit from a different angle. Most every Bernie supporter, after he conceded, supported Hillary for the sake of the party. Perhaps now the Hillary supporters might reciprocate that generosity likewise for the sake of the party and stop obsessing about a damn letter from the alphabet.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #55)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:42 PM

57. Thank you for this response.

I find derisive sycophants of ANY politician rather hard to tolerate.

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Response to chervilant (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:00 PM

68. Have a great day chervilant!



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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #55)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:22 AM

97. LiberalLovinLug, I agree that headline is terrible. It immediately turned me off...

...as I found it an in-your-face divisive statement. No, I didn't want a "Sanders takeover" of my diverse party, and I didn't bother to read past that statement.

Your comments are on point.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #97)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:58 PM

100. thanks Hekate!

I certainly don't want or even foresee a "Sander's takeover". It certainly seems someone coined that just to stir the pot and get clicks. That said, I think he surprised a lot of people with his popularity, which lets face it wasn't built on personal charisma, although he does have a certain 'favorite but grumpy old uncle' vibe to him. It was his boldness to push for a platform far more progressive than any Democrat running had done before. And do it unapologetically. He was an admitted "democratic socialist". Yet he did well and attracted both young people and independents. I think the DNC and others couldn't help but notice and it would be the height of foolishness not to learn from that going forward.

Even if one, for whatever reason, did not like him as a person, although I don't know how, why not use his popularity to our advantage? Milk it and sell it in bottles. We have to use whatever allies and advantages we can right now.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:21 PM

47. People seem to forget that Bernie's constituants voted him in as an Independent.

Maybe they like Bernie just the way he is. As I do.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:39 PM

56. People seem to forget that he told them, and several million others that

 

he was going to be a Democrat, stay with the party and run as one. Mabye, if he says something, to people who voted for him, he should keep it and not renege the second it's not useful anymore, while insisting he still gets all the perks. Makes him look like a dishonest politician that only says things for money and votes, and does not mean what he is saying.

Why isn't he keeping his word? And where are those taxes he swore up and down he would produce? Many would like him to live up to his word and advertising, like I would.

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Response to synergie (Reply #56)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:49 PM

64. I am talking about his current status as an independent..

I am not rehashing the election.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:49 PM

63. People also seem to forget that...

in his first Senate election, he ran for the Democratic nomination, won it, and then refused it so that there was no Democrat on the ballet. In his second, he did the same. Maybe they should be given the chance to vote for a Democrat for once.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:51 PM

65. Any democrat is free to run against him if they want.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #65)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:00 PM

69. They should.

Mr. Sanders should run as an Independent and leave the 2018 Vermont Democratic Senate Primary alone if doesn't plan on running as a Democrat.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #69)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:02 PM

70. If that is what Vermont wants then that's what should happen.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #70)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:04 PM

72. I agree. Mr. Sanders shouldn't abuse the rules to deprive VT of the choice between D,I, or R.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 06:20 PM

83. Wow. I didn't know THAT.

 

That's pretty stunning. I was just recently lectured about Bernie Sanders' integrity. That stunt wouldn't be in my definition of integrity. That would be more along the lines of what I would call a dirty trick.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #63)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:45 PM

105. I didn't know that, either. How devious.

Wow.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:30 PM

51. we do????

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:35 PM

53. Now maybe he'll turn over his email list

since he is running the Party.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:36 PM

54. I don't blame Sanders, but I do blame those of his supporters who refused to vote for Hillary in the

general election as being a contributing factor.

My main blame is the FBI interference, but even with that, I believe if those Sanders supporters who had refused to vote for Hillary in the general election, had voted for her, she would have won, and we wouldn't be going through this current nightmare

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:44 PM

58. He's energized and won the hearts of many people, myself included.

Of course he deserves a seat at the table and Democrats would be wise to see why people like/respect him so much. He's one of, if not the most popular sitting senator for a reason.

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Response to PatsFan87 (Reply #58)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:47 PM

61. I am with you PatsFan.

Lost cause it seems here, but yes.. Until the next election comes around.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 04:45 PM

59. Yes but even before that the electorate was so fickle...

Clinton up by 10 , she faints, down 20.
Clinton up by 12, she loses her voice from campaigning, down by 10.
Clinton up by 15, she calls them deplorables, down by 11.
Clinton a shoe-in, Comey debacle.. lost....

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:06 PM

73. Author has a book to sell that depends on a certain narrative. nt

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:28 PM

76. Title does not really match the content of the article

 

Gee, I wonder if that was deliberate.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:30 PM

78. bullshit

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:46 PM

79. Bernie supporters who voted for Clinton against Trump, I'm okay with that.

Those who couldn't vote for Clinton after she'd won the primaries, nope, that's not okay.

I'm a radical leftist and environmentalist. I consider Sanders a centrist.

But my politics are practical. I voted for Clinton.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 05:50 PM

80. sorry...

I am not falling all over Bernie..he was part of the reason that Hillary lost the election.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 06:26 PM

84. Well there is this

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 06:30 PM

85. Come on. We have a lot of seniors on DU.

Are you deliberately trying to raise blood pressure levels in the rec room?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:25 PM

89. Is this a joke? And incidentally, Bernie has NOT "taken over" the Democratic Party

Nor would Democrats welcome such a concept.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Mon Apr 17, 2017, 11:28 PM

93. FFS.. Bull.. BS is not taking over the Dem Party.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:50 AM

94. I do, and I was never a Berniecrat. The grassroots are motivating the party, in a big and wonderful

way, that I have not seen before. We need a strong leader too though.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 08:03 AM

98. Bernie Rocks

He talks the talk and walks the walk.

Oh and we could have free/cheap college and health care if we pared the Defense budget to a realistic number and actually taxed the wealthy and fat cat corporations. And got freaking profit out of the health care equation.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 08:22 AM

99. The past two weeks have convinced me the primaries are still be fought

The past two weeks have convinced me the primaries are still be fought by far too many people.

New tactics (tastes great, less filling), same agenda (sacred cows and tin gods).

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:16 PM

101. The members of the party seek a leader. Only Bernie has angled to fill that vacuum.

Obama and Clinton are largely staying private and not engaging or challenging the new administration. In the absence of an actual Dem stepping forward, Bernie has become the de facto leader.

A case could be made for Maxine Waters leading the party right now as her words certainly channel the anger of rank and file Dems right now.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:43 PM

104. Bernie Sanders Progressive Revolution is already resonating.

The Progressive policies that Bernie Sanders talked about during the 2016 primaries is being implemented at the state level due to pressure from other progressives. He advocated for a $15 dollar minimum wage now the state of caiifornia passed a law to raise the mimimum wage to $15 dollars an hour. He advocated for tuition free college now the state of New York just passed a law for tuition free college. Many people are waking up and realizing progressive policies is the way to go in order to see real and positive changes in people's lives. Even though he didn't win the nomination and wasn't able to be elected as president however again the progressive message is resonating and it has become a reality in 2 states so far and hopefully will spread like wildfire to more other states. His 2016 campaign paved the way for another progressive to run for president in 2020 someone like Elizabeth Warren.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 06:41 PM

106. How can Bernie Sanders lead the Democratic party?

 

When he isn't a member of the party.

We should not fund his travels.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:58 PM

108. Hell to the No.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:01 PM

109. An unfortunate headline. Better to said - Democrats Warming to Bernie

and then described the interviews that back up that trend.

Sadly, editors like to pop the headlines with hyperbole for clickability.

Folks, please remember that Bernie did not write the headline or article.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 03:18 AM

111. "More than a dozen Democrats".

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