Deliberately stealing the election. This thread is a must read!

[L. Coyote]

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[sharedvalues]

1. What about PA?

[sharedvalues]

2. Here's more: Washington Post story

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/08/election-day-voters-report-long-lines-intimidation-and-confusion-in-some-parts-of-the-country

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One major with some technological problems was Durham County, N.C., which has more than a quarter-million residents outside Raleigh.

Officials there had technical issues with electronic poll books used to check in voters. As a result, state authorities told Durham officials to use paper poll books, rather than electronic ones, eventually leading to some delays. (Durham was already using paper ballots.)
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Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill are blue.

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Issues with machines caused lines earlier Tuesday at precincts in Virginia, Clarke’s group said. Her group also heard similar complaints from Philadelphia, one of the cities specifically cited by Trump during speeches
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Voter suppression in Philly could account for the entire difference between HRC and the president. The GOP regularly sends lawyers out to Philly precincts to challenge votes just to slow down voting and create lines to encourage voters to give up and go home.

[ThoughtCriminal]

3. Simple hacks are often easier and more effective than the sophistcated ones

It does not require programmed vote flipping to throw and election. Selective malfunctions that lengthen lines are enough to keep voters from reaching the ballot. Kids have to be picked up from school, wage workers can't take the whole day from work, etc. Sometimes just seeing the line is enough to reduce turnout where it will matter, other have to give up after waiting hours.

And selective malfunctions don't even have to be "programmed". Just making sure the problematic machines end up in certain precincts or screwing with the maintenance cycle can do the job. All of this can be almost undetectable if you are looking for the wrong thing, or if anyone raising the issue is dismissed as a conspiracy nut.

[TheFrenchRazor]

31. the machines need to go; we need all paper ballots, all hand counted, all the time. nt

[LakeArenal]

33. Yes and since we are becoming a third world country, dye my finger blue...

[Amaryllis]

4. There is LOTS more:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/01/23/russians-suspected-hacking-local-dems/96965824/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/russians-suspected-hacking-wisconsin-dems/97023222/

http://www.alternet.org/new-video-watch-wisconsin-election-officials-reject-hand-counts-after-electronic-scanners-make-big

http://time.com/4599886/detroit-voting-machine-failures-were-widespread-on-election-day/

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/according-declassified-report-russians

https://www.thomhartmann.com/users/sfpauly/blog/2016/11/did-gop-strip-flip-2016-selection-bob-fitrakis-and-harvey-wasserman

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-voting-technology/

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37486-the-shocking-truth-about-election-rigging-in-america

https://thevotingnews.com/tag/interstate-crosscheck/

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-gops-attack-on-voting-rights-was-the-most-under-covered-story-of-2016/

http://fortune.com/2016/10/01/hackers-targeted-election-systems/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/russian-hackers-targeted-half-states-voter-registration-systems/story?id=42435822

https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2017/01/does-no-one-care-7-million-votes-were-not-counted

http://www.gregpalast.com/the-republican-sabotage-of-the-vote-recounts-in-michigan-and-wisconsin/

[Amaryllis]

5. And this:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/spammer-s-arrest-eyed-for-trump-russia-ties-918364739855

The Rachel Maddow Show 4/10/17
Spammer's arrest eyed for Trump Russia ties

Rachel Maddow reports on the latest developments in the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and the possibility of coordination with the Donald Trump campaign, including the arrest of a Russian hacker in Spain at the request of the FBI.

This Russian Hacker's Wife Says He Was Arrested For Being "Linked To Trump's Win"

Pyotr Levashov, known online as Peter Severa, was detained in Spain over the weekend. His wife says it’s because of his involvement with a “computer virus” linked to the election.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/this-is-the-russian-hacker-detained-in-spain-for-helping?utm_term=.stmkNQPL34#.rva53XepbD

[triron]

13. Wonder why the rest of msm ignores this

and much of what Rachel has discussed regarding the Trump-Russian collusion?

[Amaryllis]

20. I was wondering the same. Even HuffPo hardly ever has anything about Russian collusion.

[elleng]

6. Been happening for years,

before Bush v Gore, and govt including Dems have IGNORED.

[Amaryllis]

7. You got that right. :)

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37486-the-shocking-truth-about-election-rigging-in-america

[TheFrenchRazor]

30. yep, it really makes you wonder. nt

[Duppers]

8. K & R

[MoonRiver]

9. Many of us have been warning about this since 2001.

Now, 16 years later, little to nothing has been done to protect the voting machines. Sigh.

[L. Coyote]

10. Crosscheck abuse:

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[L. Coyote]

16. We lost before a vote was cast.

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[Amaryllis]

21. Oregon rejected Crosscheck because it did not give reliable data. I read that somewhere;

don't remember where, but it is revealing to look at a map of states using Crosscheck (30 now) and states that went for Trump.

[Hoyt]

11. Old enough to remember stolen ballot boxes. Besides, did all the problems -- which don't seem like

a lot -- occur only in districts favoring Clinton.

As much as anyone, I'd like to nail Trump. But, we are going to have to do better than this to get him. Maybe it will help in future elections.

On other besides, in states that allow early voting, mail in ballots, or absentee ballots without a reason, there is no excuse for waiting until the last day to vote.

[Honeycombe8]

12. OMG. I hope the Dems are having meetings on this and working out a game plan.

I don't trust the Republicans to do anything.

[certainot]

14. well, imagine if there were 1000 radio stations OUTRAGED!! about this

this is nuts. we're here with this shit because liberals ignore talk radio and this is another eg that proves it.

this is more outrageous shit that should result in jail time for many, and all it would take is for even half those stations yelling about it instead of benghazi and hillary's emails and millions of illegal aliens voting - to sell voter suppression legislation.

[red dog 1]

25. You've raised a valid point.

however, I'm not sure that it's merely that "we're here with this shit because liberals 'ignore' talk radio"

It's a little more complicated than that.

Liberals/Progressives are certainly not as good at creating talk radio networks as the right-wing, conservative Republicans are, and all one needs to do is to turn on the radio any night and, starting at the "top of the dial" & working one's way down the dial, one can hear all the ultra-conservative talk shows, without hearing a single "progressive" network or syndicated talk show...Not a one!

Why Democratic billionaires such as George Soros don't start their own radio networks is a mystery to me....Republicans & conservatives pretty much "own" talk radio, which is very sad, indeed, imo.

For an in depth look at why "Air America" failed, read the following Alternet article from 2010:
"Air America Radio, R.I.P. - It Didn't Have to Be This Way"
http://www.alternet.org/story/145460/air_america_radio_rip_-_it_didn't_have_to_be_this_way

[certainot]

34. liberals need to quit thinking this is about competing with rw radio

thanks for the link but..

first of all, it's a monopoly and it's like mom an pop vs wall mart - very lousy odds. they bought up and protect their propaganda monopoly.

if a guy sets up a soapbox across from your house and screams your sister's a whore, your brothers a thief, and your ideas are treasonous and you just stick your fingers in your ears and walk by, how long would it take that even your neighbors might believe some of it?

that's what they've been doing from every corner and stump in the country since reagan killed the fairness doctrine 30 years ago and it has worked because democrats have ignored it.

it's not about trying to compete with it, it's about saying fuck you for lying and attacking my reps and putting a cloud of orange assholes in the white house and trying to kill my planet and clan. then the advertisers stay away and the real market for hate and lies and ignorance shakes out to 100 radio stations in the swamps and 500 common sense fact based talkers and 400 liberals telling truth. or whatever.

the whole market for rw radio is artificial, and they're billions in debt - but it's worth trillions in global warming denial, war, deregulation, tax breaks, supremes, etc.

worse than that, we let 88 major universities support 257 limbaugh stations!

by state:

ALABAMA 8 Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 2 Arizona St. 1, Arizona 1
ARKANSAS 3 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 4 Air Force 2, Colorado 1, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7 Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 5 Wisconsin 5

[red dog 1]

38. Many of the colleges & universities on your list are located in so-called "progressive" cities,

which makes it even worse!

(For example, San Jose is a very Democratic city, as are Eugene & Corvallis, Oregon)


You're absolutely right about the fact that Ronnie Reagan's getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine" is a significant factor in all this.
(I wonder why neither Bill Clinton nor Barack Obama didn't attempt to get it re-instated?)

[certainot]

42. and the lack of liberal radio in heavy blue areas shows the strength of

the monopoly power they depend on, and that the 95%-5% dominance has nothing to do with 'market forces'

(I wonder why neither Bill Clinton nor Barack Obama didn't attempt to get it re-instated?)

in observing the situation for 25 years, there are not two more talk radio outrage-stimulating words for a prominent dem to utter. and even liberals who don't know know talk radio join in with the cries of "free speech!!"

[L. Coyote]

28. That would be a waste of 999 radio stations in today's world.

I can listen to almost any radio station in the world online. So can most voters. People are NOT deprived of the voices in our world.

[certainot]

37. thats a huge miscalculation and why we have trump

in most parts of the country, like in 40 states with 80 senators, there are NO free easy alternatives to rw radio for politics.

which is why they fight free wifi infrstructure and are preparing to end net neutrality.

most of that russian trolling piggybacked years of talk radio lies and memes - like 25 years of clinton crap.

and the left continues to get their internet ass kicked by a few hundred blowhards dominating 40 red states with 1200 radio stations.

here's a dollar value on it :

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations rw talk radio is worth $18MIL/day or 390MIL$ /month or 4.68 BIL$/ year FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican free market deregulation and wall st think tank propaganda, propaganda, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.

[Mr. Ected]

15. No wonder Trump said he wouldn't accept the election results if Hillary won

He knew he couldn't lose.

The answer is hiding in plain sight, folks.

[red dog 1]

27. I wonder what would have happened if HRC hadn't accepted the election results?

Also, by not immediately demanding recounts in all the states that had major voter suppression, "missing votes," "voting irregularities" and the like, Secretary Clinton passed up a chance to actually "change" the outcome of the election.
Asking for immediate recounts in populous states that Trump barely won, such as Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania & others might well have changed the outcome of the election....But she didn't ask for recounts - so we'll never know, will we?

(Jill Stein's attempt to get recounts in MI, WI & PA were "too little, too late," imo.)

[L. Coyote]

17. FREE update of Best Democracy Money Can Buy:

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[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Remember, the stolen election was by Republican TICKET. No Pres. Pence.

When it is proven that the election was stolen, the rightful President is the Majority winner Hillary Clinton.

If tRump resigns before the case is proven, Pence takes over, but his ticket and the Republican Electoral College win would by rights be erased and Hillary Clinton inaugurated when the case is proven.

[L. Coyote]

19. And when this gets to the Supreme Court, Gorsuch must recuse.

I can't wait for the nullification of everything with trump's signature.

[TheFrenchRazor]

32. correct; election rigging can not be allowed to stand. nt

[niyad]

22. k and r

[L. Coyote]

23. Gerrymandering Is Illegal, But Only Mathematicians Can Prove It

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[defacto7]

24. K&R

Gotta kick this. Retweet... whatever keeps the word moving.... it represents everything that's important in our country.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

26. K & R.

[red dog 1]

29. K&R...Thanks for posting

(I wish Greg Palast had been on Hillary Clinton's campaign team)

[rolypolychloe]

35. Should be mandatory paper ballots.

Don't have to worry about machine malfunctions. Don't have to worry about insufficient machines. Don't have to worry about being directed to the wrong machine because of your skin color. None of this optical stuff either or they will give you a marker that doesn't record if they see you aren't white. And the election could be properly audited. And I would get rid of absentee ballots. If you want to vote, you have to go there, especially if you have a name that is not clearly WASP. If your name sounds ethnic, or if the return address doesn't have any registered Republicans living there, the ballot won't be mailed to you, or if it is mailed, it will be trashed if you mail it back. Lots of shenanigans happen with absentee ballots. Election workers always cry oops when things go wrong, but anything that can happen by accident can also happen on purpose. I don't trust them. We live in an electronic era. You should be able to have voting stations anywhere, where your eligibility can be confirmed and your paper ballot accepted.

[red dog 1]

39. Mandatory paper ballots would be better than what we have now, that's for sure.

Welcome to DU!

[underpants]

36. Lots of good info here

Thanks

[LaydeeBug]

40. I agree.

[AntiFascist]

41. K&R, BUT...

the American people have all been brainwashed to think that there is nothing wrong with the election machinery. "Nothing to see there, move along..."

[L. Coyote]

43. Panic, panic: White House Counsel's office pawing at USIC all day ....

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[lapucelle]

44. The problems in Brooklyn involved purged voters not faulty machines

People were dropped from the rolls. Many of those dropped were Hispanic and/or lived in housing projects. They were Clinton voters. She carried the Latino vote in NY by 28% and won Brooklyn by 20%.

I'm not sure why the OP includes tweets that are replies that Palast chose to ignore. The tweets have nothing to do with voting machine problems and concern the NY primary rather than the general election.

http://time.com/4301762/new-york-voting-problems-hillary-clinton/

http://www.wnyc.org/story/brooklyn-voter-purge-age-clinton-sanders/
http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2016/06/no-brooklyn-voter-purge-was-not.html