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Wed Apr 12, 2017, 11:48 AM

Can you give one reason to trust anything Trump administration says about Putin or chem weapons?

1/ I would be interested to hear why we should believe Trump over Putin, who says "show the evidence," over the use of gas by Assad in Syria? Should Trump present evidence? Should he do that before anymore loose talk and military attacks?

2/ Why should we believe that Trump isn't trying to gain authority through the use of military force? Remember Trump previously Tweeted that Obama would have to get congressional approval before attacking Syria, and only a week ago, Trump and Tillerson made it clear they would leave Syria alone. Is his change really for him about driving up his poll numbers?

3/ Do you believe that Trump really suddenly cares about the Syrian people, taking into account, he wants to ban refugees, "bomb the families of terrorists," civilian deaths due to airstrikes have skyrocketed thanks to Trump, and he only says he cares after half-a-million Syrians have died in this war.

4/ Trump has not sought either a UN mandate or a mandate from US lawmakers. Why not? Is it because he would have to present evidence? Do lawmakers and the US and Syrian people deserve to see evidence?

5/ Relations with Russia and the risk of war have been described by military figures as the worst since the Cuban missile crisis. Trump is saying Russia is enabling Assad to use chemical weapons, again without presenting one shred of evidence. Do you trust him without evidence? Is this really about trying to show he isn't Putin's puppet?

6/ Does Trump's record as a pathological liar and sociopath, cast serious doubt over everything he says about Syria and Putin? If so, should there be independent investigations into the gas attack and Russia's role in the use of gas, combined with UN involvement before anymore action?

7/ Do you think the media need to ask these questions if they are to do their job properly, as Trump leads us towards war, perhaps war with multiple nations?

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 11:52 AM

1. Trump all of a sudden realized the utility of this situation and is exploiting it to the fullest.

It's the next cliffhanger before the commercial break.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 11:57 AM

2. I'm going off what the media reported, apparently the Liar-in-Chief doesn't feel obligated...

to tell us anything.

Ivanka saw images of poor babies on TV, and then he approves the bombing of that air strip on the advice of his "generals."

The jackass in the White House has zero credibility on any subject now.

Trump has been in office for 83 days. As of our latest update on day 77, we’ve counted 367 false or misleading claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/?utm_term=.c77f6675ad35

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 11:58 AM

3. No reason. It's proven he lies 70% of the time...the default should be that we assume what

he says is NOT true, until proven otherwise.

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Response to wiggs (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 03:33 PM

15. That's the figure I hear quoted

I can hardly believe he tells the truth about 30% of the time but if he lied all the time it would give the show away (and thus conceal nothing).

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:03 PM

4. False dichotomy

 


You choose to believe Putin over medical professionals and aid workers on the scene.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:24 PM

6. I don't think anyone is questioning whether there really was a gas attack.

These are the key questions, in my opening post: Do you trust Trump when he says Assad is responsible, aided by Putin, but presents no evidence? Do you trust Trump when he suddenly says he cares about Syrian casualties?

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Response to Doodley (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:28 PM

7. One need not rely on anything Trump says

 


It's a silly question.

Do I trust Trump when he says (insert proposition which can be determined from other information) ?

Trump has never been a factor in what I believe or do not believe in the past, so I can't see why it would be one now.

What he claims to care or not care about is not a topic that I give a shit about in the first place.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:31 PM

10. Thank you for your reply.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

11. This is the same sort of conversational blackmail that 9/11 truthers used

 


"So, you believe Dick Cheney when he says airplanes flew into those buildings? Do you believe Dick Cheney about everything he says?" with the obligatory accusatory sneer. The fact of the matter is that one can readily assess evidence of whether airplanes were used in the 9/11 events without reliance on Dick Cheney in the first place.

This sort of conversational blackmail is a regular feature at DU.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:37 PM

13. What blackmail? What are you talking about? If you are accusing me of smearing anyone,

or blackmailing anyone, say so.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:29 PM

8. What's the other possibility?

The rebels who have no air force managed to bomb themselves with sarin?

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

12. What was the other possibility than Saddam Hussein had WMD?

If the evidence is that we know because we are smart and don't make mistakes, then let's go along with Trump and not even ask for evidence.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 01:20 PM

14. yes but in this case WMD's were dropped from a plane on rebels & civilians...

......which I doubt the rebels would do to themselves...not having a air force and all.

That leaves the Russians or the Americans or the Arab coalition....or the Syrians.
Kind of obvious who did it. Same people who did it last time. The Syrian Air Force.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:08 PM

5. No. (n/m)

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:31 PM

9. Hmmmm....let me think, now....

Nope, nothing comes to mind that gives me any reason to trust anything this Asshole Administration does.

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