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TygrBright

(20,749 posts)
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 07:34 PM Apr 2017

That Awkward Moment When You Realize YOU are Now the "Conservative."

Last edited Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Here's the basic definition via Merriam Webster, excluding the ones about being a member of the British Conservative Party or being a Conservative Jew:

a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional conservative policies
b : marked by moderation or caution a conservative estimate
c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners a conservative suit a conservative architectural style


I sat staring at that, and my world, my identity went fluid, morphing, disorienting me profoundly.

I want to conserve the institutions of a representative democratic government-- the right of a President, for example, to appoint a Supreme Court justice, even in the final year of their term.

And the established institution of an independent Civil Service that functions, not at the whim of patronage or loyalty to a party, but based on competence, skill, and dedication to impartial service under established Federal laws and regulations.

I want to conserve the institutional rights of workers to organize, the official rights of LGBTQ individuals to marry, the established rights of women to make decisions over their own bodies and access safe and legal abortion as needed.

I want to conserve the institution of municipalities that may declare themselves sanctuaries for immigrants and refuguees, the institution of states' rights to refuse to permit fracking, the institution of school districts providing meals to hungry children and in-school health clinics to their students.

I want to conserve the reputation of America as a nation that strives after equity as well as justice, that is willing to learn from our mistakes, and that respects international law and the efforts of nations to settle differences through negotiation rather than warfare.

I want to conserve the institution of law and justice administered not by private for-profit contractors but by dedicated independent civil service employees under the scrutiny of elected officials and an independent judiciary.

I want to conserve the institutions long-established to promote citizens' health and well-being through public investment in environmental protection and public health.

I want to conserve the established role of government in regulating trade, markets, and currency in order to prevent catastrophic economic disruption.

I want to conserve the expectation that those elected to the highest offices and gravest, most consequential duties of governance will accept the responsibility to enact those offices and duties with restraint, equity, gravitas, and respect even for those whose opinions and ideologies differ from theirs.

I have not abandoned the mission of progressive change. I still want universal health care, and an economy built on ensuring the broadest possible distribution of both benefits and opportunities. I still value the greatest possible access to quality education, and I'm still committed to the government's role in ensuring a livable planet for our grandchildren. I still believe in all of those progressive doctrines that look to a better future.

And I know that some of those things can't necessarily be accomplished only by "building on" what is already established. Some changes will be, must be, more profound.

But I also know that in the face of an existential threat to our Republic and its people, change that is to endure and provide long-term benefits must be achieved by people working with a sense of possibility, building on hope, from a positive conviction of shared good. Not, as we are seeing now, by the heedless, smash-it-all-up iconoclasm of DickBro nihilistic greed.

And so it becomes imperative to focus on conserving the bedrock institutions we've already fought to establish over America's long march of history and justice. It becomes imperative to conserve the wisdom that has come with making the most hideous and costly errors, and learning from them. It becomes imperative to focus on conserving the core values of equity and justice, and meeting threats not with fear and hate, but with courage, love, and humility.

Guess that makes me the real conservative.

Who ever would have imagined?

introspectively,
Bright
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That Awkward Moment When You Realize YOU are Now the "Conservative." (Original Post) TygrBright Apr 2017 OP
Do you know how much you rock? irisblue Apr 2017 #1
So do you! n/t TygrBright Apr 2017 #2
True! My version is discovering I'm now a newly Hortensis Apr 2017 #30
I never thought I would consider myself a mainstream Democrat. murielm99 Apr 2017 #39
+1000, Murielm. Suspect there are a whole lot of us Hortensis Apr 2017 #40
I don't hesitate considering myself 'conservative;' elleng Apr 2017 #3
And those controlling the Executive branch of our government Mr.Bill Apr 2017 #4
Conserving the foundations of society while Skidmore Apr 2017 #5
Exactly. They are radicals and extremists, not conservatives. nt Cognitive_Resonance Apr 2017 #19
Yes, and I try to point that out whenever I can. elleng Apr 2017 #20
Me too. But it doesn't help when the media marybourg Apr 2017 #27
Call them what they are! GWC58 Apr 2017 #31
Yeah, they are RW extremists & some are fact free Alice11111 Apr 2017 #35
MOST are fact free! elleng Apr 2017 #41
Yes, correction, MOST are fact free Alice11111 Apr 2017 #42
Dump is taking the Repukes down the Whig party road. roamer65 Apr 2017 #6
Oh god let's hope so. lambchopp59 Apr 2017 #46
Excellent post malaise Apr 2017 #7
For a long time I wondered...... lastlib Apr 2017 #8
Yep! Yep! Alice11111 Apr 2017 #43
There is a big difference between,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2017 #9
Calling our right wing crazies "conservative" is really an offense to the language rurallib Apr 2017 #10
They are Right Wing Activists Alice11111 Apr 2017 #44
Wouldn't that make you a conservator? ornotna Apr 2017 #11
"and meeting threats not with fear and hate" Demonaut Apr 2017 #12
In Teddy Roosevelt's Time Leith Apr 2017 #13
Yes indeedy, Bright. This country used to have fringe radicals on the Right, way past the normal... Hekate Apr 2017 #14
Yes. It's more than a "word game." TygrBright Apr 2017 #22
Thank you for that Hekate Apr 2017 #25
Yup.. World is officially upside down now.. annabanana Apr 2017 #15
pathetic word game under the guise of being clever. I AM A PROUD PROGRESSIVE eniwetok Apr 2017 #16
Point missed. Not a game. Hekate Apr 2017 #26
didn't miss anything... eniwetok Apr 2017 #33
Heh! Stinky The Clown Apr 2017 #17
A time in the wilderness may seem like time wasted. TygrBright Apr 2017 #23
Wow - this is a fantastic post. susanna Apr 2017 #18
Thank you! n/t TygrBright Apr 2017 #24
K&R. nt TeamPooka Apr 2017 #21
I purposely NEVER use the "C-word" when discussing right wingers. Because they are not. Trust Buster Apr 2017 #28
I refuse the term, myself. Scruffy1 Apr 2017 #32
Absolutely! We should call them, "Pro Death of Mothers," Alice11111 Apr 2017 #37
Rush Limbaugh changed the word "conservative" forever FakeNoose Apr 2017 #36
Somehow, they have confused the term conservative with Alice11111 Apr 2017 #38
Thats why coservatives ARENT really conservatives. They are just republicans that call themselves caroldansen Apr 2017 #29
Don't forget the "radical right wing"... AntiFascist Apr 2017 #34
k & r Stuart G Apr 2017 #45

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. True! My version is discovering I'm now a newly
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 07:54 AM
Apr 2017

loyal, committed mainstream Democrat: Because of the need to protect and conserve our governments and what they have have been doing right from attacks from a number of directions.
And Democrats are the protectors.

I was born and will die a strong liberal, but for nearly 40 years my main reason for registering Democrat was to be able to vote in the primaries, second empowerment through alliance. Need to rally to save democracy itself and what it means to be American? Not on the list.

The increasing extremism developing on both left and right also means I'm now newly appreciative of and fighting for the degree of the moderation and centrism that is critical to the functioning of democracies. A place I never needed to be before.

murielm99

(30,712 posts)
39. I never thought I would consider myself a mainstream Democrat.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 03:52 PM
Apr 2017

I know where I stand on the issues. I have taken the test on politicalcompass.org, and found myself, predictably, pretty far to the left.

But the attacks on the Democrats who have spent years fighting the good fight, the splinter groups seeking to divide our party, the purity tests I am seeing applied, wrongly, to the big tent that our party has always been, have moved me to the center. They have moved me to the center only in that I would like to support what we have already.

The Democrats are our protectors, as you state. And we need to protect those we have elected to protect us.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. +1000, Murielm. Suspect there are a whole lot of us
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 04:03 PM
Apr 2017

regrouping to protect the core of democracy.

And as more on both left and right come to realize, to their shock, that the America they themselves grew up in and thought would always be there is in danger of being lost...

elleng

(130,661 posts)
3. I don't hesitate considering myself 'conservative;'
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:09 PM
Apr 2017

it's my nature. The so-called political 'conservatives' are nothing of the sort; they are radicals, and have been for years.

Mr.Bill

(24,218 posts)
4. And those controlling the Executive branch of our government
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:16 PM
Apr 2017

are closer to being Anarchists than conservatives.

marybourg

(12,583 posts)
27. Me too. But it doesn't help when the media
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 03:34 AM
Apr 2017

keeps calling them "conservatives".

For some reason they are able to name things and have the names stick - witness "Obamacare" - but we are not

elleng

(130,661 posts)
41. MOST are fact free!
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 04:55 PM
Apr 2017

That's what repugs have done for years, eviscerated public education in the U.S.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
46. Oh god let's hope so.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 08:11 PM
Apr 2017

I believe a strong swing of the political landscape pendulum is way overdue. Trump, completely impotent at delivery of his deplorable campaign proposals, having a strong likelihood to tromp the country into another recession unless he takes democratic socialist steps towards recovery, is in the lose/lose position with a major number of his supporters.
That is, if he doesn't get us nuked into dust, polluted beyond the reversable bell curve potential of climate change or wreck the economy enriching himself and his "conservative" ilk...
But honestly, I really thought Republicans had bought their last election with RayGun.
Then, here came the sly "Fox Noise".

lastlib

(23,119 posts)
8. For a long time I wondered......
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:40 PM
Apr 2017

...just what it was that those GOPee so-called "conservatives" wanted to conserve, and one day I finally realized what it was:

--Wealth for the wealthy, power for the powerful, and strength for the strong. FUCK everyone else.

That's what conservatism is all about, Charlie Brown.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
9. There is a big difference between,,,,
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:42 PM
Apr 2017

being "conservative" and being a citizen of Dumbfuckistan! Proud to be a Conservative Progressive!

rurallib

(62,372 posts)
10. Calling our right wing crazies "conservative" is really an offense to the language
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:52 PM
Apr 2017

Those deplorables are the most radical bent on revolution group I have ever seen.

There is no group in this country that is more hell bent on destroying our form of government and society and replacing it with some form of oligarchic dictator.

Conservative as you note means wanting to maintain what is there. I have been wrestling with what to call those right wing revolutionaries for many years. Me? I am truly conservative like you - which makes me a wild eyed liberal in today's twisted world.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
44. They are Right Wing Activists
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 05:13 PM
Apr 2017

Their BS about not wanting activists judges is just more
projection. The RW want activists judges.

ornotna

(10,791 posts)
11. Wouldn't that make you a conservator?
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:03 PM
Apr 2017

con·ser·va·tor
kənˈsərvədər,kənˈsərvəˌtôr,ˈkänsərˌvādər/
noun
noun: conservator; plural noun: conservators

a person responsible for the repair and preservation of works of art, buildings, or other things of cultural or environmental interest.
US
a guardian or protector.
"the court does not need to appoint a conservator to handle an incapacitated person's affairs"

Leith

(7,806 posts)
13. In Teddy Roosevelt's Time
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:33 PM
Apr 2017

Conservatives were conservationists. The radicals in control of our country are nothing of the sort - but we are.

I'll add my name to the list of conservatives.

Hekate

(90,499 posts)
14. Yes indeedy, Bright. This country used to have fringe radicals on the Right, way past the normal...
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:38 PM
Apr 2017

...everyday conservative Republican. The radicals were looked on with suspician and derision. No one wanted to be "those people."

And now ...somehow they took over the GOP. Really took it over. Steve Bannon, for gods' sake.

So yes, I understand you completely. We have become the "conservatives." But we can't even use that term publicly, because it has been so degraded.

TygrBright

(20,749 posts)
22. Yes. It's more than a "word game."
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:30 AM
Apr 2017

Elections have consequences, words have connotations, and where those two intersect, I want to insert the thin end of a wedge of communication, and keep banging away at it, however futile-seeming, until the crack widens and light comes through.

wearily,
Bright

eniwetok

(1,629 posts)
16. pathetic word game under the guise of being clever. I AM A PROUD PROGRESSIVE
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:27 PM
Apr 2017

I really hate these word game. This one works because the terms liberal and conservative are RELATIVE terms... and if one merely mentions uses another relative term of being for or against X... one can make ANY claim...

eniwetok

(1,629 posts)
33. didn't miss anything...
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:51 PM
Apr 2017

It's a clever game of word play that tries to make black = white.

For example one is conservative because "I have not abandoned the mission of progressive change."?

It's as silly as a far right winger back in 1981 saying they were progressive because they just thought of a new economic theory called trickle down economics.

Stinky The Clown

(67,755 posts)
17. Heh!
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 11:09 PM
Apr 2017

I posted along these same lines on DU(Original) waaaaay back when. I was soundly booed, hissed, and chastised. Its nice to see some enlightenment.

K&R

TygrBright

(20,749 posts)
23. A time in the wilderness may seem like time wasted.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:31 AM
Apr 2017

In fact, it may be the most profound and powerful time spent during our span here.

Thanks.

soberly,
Bright

susanna

(5,231 posts)
18. Wow - this is a fantastic post.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 11:12 PM
Apr 2017

I had to read it a few times before it sunk in. Very thoughtful. Thank you for writing it.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
28. I purposely NEVER use the "C-word" when discussing right wingers. Because they are not.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 06:56 AM
Apr 2017

I wince when I hear the media or anyone on the left apply the "C-word" to those radicals. It confers respectability and measurement on a people the have not earned the label with their deeds.

Scruffy1

(3,252 posts)
32. I refuse the term, myself.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:49 PM
Apr 2017

Personally I think of them as fascists or just crooks. We really need to come up with a new term and quit letting them get away with controlling the language. Just like "Pro Life" isn't pro-life conservatives aren't "conservative"All the other terms I can come up with are too obscene for print.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
37. Absolutely! We should call them, "Pro Death of Mothers,"
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 03:36 PM
Apr 2017

for their position on abortion. My daughter nearly died because she was doing an internship in a conservative state. She had sort of an ectopic pregnancy, but the fallopian tube burst and the mass spilled into her gut. There was not a chance in hell that anything could survive in any form. The only question was, were the team of docs going to let her die, by refusing to give her methotrexate, which can flush out the material, but anti abortionists are against it for that reason. One dr was against using it and claimed it was unlawful. A strong female with less status took over, and sais she was leaving for another state anyway, so fire me, sue me, whatever. We were hiring an attorney, but time was of the essence. The drs had already said she probably wouldn't make it. We had a cousin, who is known world wide as a gyn: my daughter is a doc; both myself and her husband were lawyers; and she had excellent insurance. We were prepared to use all of our assets to try and save her life

Imagine what some poor mom does, who has several kids in school, and leaving the state is very difficult. To even get information from these people is very difficult, and they are passing laws that say they do not even have to give you info.

No one is pro abortion. There are times it is necessary. Roe v Wade had built in protections for a viable fetus. If and when these abortion laws are changed, more women will die, very often in cases in which the fetus had little chance of surviving or of surviving with any quality of life.
I'm hoping that on that issue at least, Gorsuch will uphold Roe v Wade. He sort of indicated that. We will see. He is obviously not an empathetic person.

I have a lot of other slogans, uses of language, that need to be changed too.
The Repubs are good at that
What they say is catchy, and often exactly the opposite of what they are really trying to do.
We need a committee or something.

I agree , many are crooks and liars.

FakeNoose

(32,535 posts)
36. Rush Limbaugh changed the word "conservative" forever
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 03:21 PM
Apr 2017

It doesn't mean what it used to, thanks to all the AM-radio talkies and Faux News.
So I agree that we have to redefine terms now, and Tygerbright makes a good point here.

For most of my life I was a registered independent, but I became a Democrat just so that I could vote for Hillary in the primary. (That was in 2008.) I never thought of myself as liberal or conservative, just open-minded and willing to vote for the right person, regardless of their party.

Well you know what, since 1972 I never voted for a Republican for president or any seat in Congress. That's how open-minded I was. I never believed the GOP's bullshit even when Reagan was running. I still don't call myself a liberal, but I'm definitely voting Democratic in every election from here on out. If we can somehow get the deplorables to let go of the silly meaningless term "conservative" maybe they'd starting thinking for themselves instead of believing everything Limbaugh tells them.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
38. Somehow, they have confused the term conservative with
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 03:39 PM
Apr 2017

reasonable, as opposed to rash. For some, it means Christian. We definitely have a semantics problem.

caroldansen

(725 posts)
29. Thats why coservatives ARENT really conservatives. They are just republicans that call themselves
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 07:43 AM
Apr 2017

that. Under the definition you wrote, the democrats are the true conservatives and the TRUE EVERYTHING.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
34. Don't forget the "radical right wing"...
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 03:09 PM
Apr 2017

that is vehemently anti-socialist by definition and wants to bring the current establishment crashing down. ORDO AB CHAO. Much of this thinking is what put Trump into power in the first place.
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