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Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:01 PM

We are all at the mercy of too many people in this country who don't know a damn thing

This has to be the result of planned mass ignorance.

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Reply We are all at the mercy of too many people in this country who don't know a damn thing (Original post)
MrScorpio Jul 2012 OP
Initech Jul 2012 #1
TeamPooka Jul 2012 #8
leftstreet Jul 2012 #9
Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #10
Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #27
Broken_Hero Jul 2012 #54
Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #57
Plucketeer Jul 2012 #39
hay rick Jul 2012 #17
XemaSab Jul 2012 #2
lob1 Jul 2012 #5
enough Jul 2012 #6
HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #12
UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #29
EFerrari Jul 2012 #15
XemaSab Jul 2012 #24
UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #28
EFerrari Jul 2012 #35
patrice Jul 2012 #42
patrice Jul 2012 #50
ErikJ Jul 2012 #20
Curmudgeoness Jul 2012 #31
XemaSab Jul 2012 #56
Confusious Jul 2012 #47
Occulus Jul 2012 #53
Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #58
Life Long Dem Jul 2012 #3
HopeHoops Jul 2012 #4
Odin2005 Jul 2012 #7
XemaSab Jul 2012 #11
soccer1 Jul 2012 #21
spanone Jul 2012 #13
UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #33
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #41
Ghost of Huey Long Jul 2012 #14
Phlem Jul 2012 #16
NightWatcher Jul 2012 #18
YOHABLO Jul 2012 #19
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #43
Auggie Jul 2012 #22
patrice Jul 2012 #48
DeSwiss Jul 2012 #23
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #44
chknltl Jul 2012 #46
arely staircase Jul 2012 #25
TomClash Jul 2012 #26
pasto76 Jul 2012 #30
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #45
ethicsinit Jul 2012 #32
proud2BlibKansan Jul 2012 #34
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #36
patrice Jul 2012 #37
ErikJ Jul 2012 #38
TatonkaJames Jul 2012 #40
patrice Jul 2012 #49
SCantiGOP Jul 2012 #51
Historic NY Jul 2012 #52
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #55

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:05 PM

1. Something like 1/3 of.Americans can't name a single SCOTUS justice - and that's scary.

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Response to Initech (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:32 PM

8. Most of them will be taught Roberts name this week....

and to treat him like Benedict Arnold...
LOL
saw the shirt with the word Coward on it.
Gotta love wing nuts.

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Response to Initech (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:35 PM

9. How many politicians can name the price of a gallon of milk?

How many Wall Street CEOs can name the price of a jar of peanut butter?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:36 PM

10. You got that right. nt

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:41 PM

27. Remember this?

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:11 PM

54. ....



Nice vid, never seen it before. Thanks for sharing it,

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Response to Broken_Hero (Reply #54)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:00 AM

57. You mean you missed the sodomobile vs Fred Phelps???

 

That one is viral!



I have all the episodes of "The Awful Truth" on DVD.

We need another show like this.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:58 PM

39. Yessir!

 

And how many of the aforementioned think minimum wage is a living wage?

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Response to Initech (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:14 PM

17. And another 1/3 can only name Clarence Thomas- now that's really scary.

Sorry, I just made that up.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:07 PM

2. I have been very depressed this week about my own reading ability

Don't get me wrong; I can read modern novels and most technical material quickly and fluently.

I just really, really struggle with things that were written more than 100 years ago. I can get through them, but they're not fun. It's not that the language has changed so much either, it's that people back in the day wrote complex and subtle things that we're just not used to.

It's all very depressing.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:19 PM

5. Try Mark Twain. He still holds up, imo.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:20 PM

6. Dear XemaSab, I love you for worrying about this. But we have to find away not to be depressed

about change at this level, which I think is an inevitable part of reality, given that we exist in time. Those great old writers might have a hard time understanding some of the good writing from our time too.

Also, I think if you "practiced" for a while, you'd find your facility with the old stuff improving. One way I keep my reading hand in is to listen to audiobooks, a lot of the old classics, read by people who understand what they're saying. I highly recommend it, brings the language alive with clarity.

That said, I know what you're talking about.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:45 PM

12. Darwin is difficult for those reasons, surprisingly so is Gould's Structure of Evolutionary Theory

The later has sentences with as many as 89 words. It makes for very rich very careful sentences, but they take mush more than usual care to read.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:46 PM

29. Machiavelli wrote very long sentences and paragraphs.

 

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:49 PM

15. Maybe it wasn't you.

Maybe what you were reading was not good.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:29 PM

24. Jane Austin?

Shakespeare? Dickens?

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:43 PM

28. Try Edgar Allen Poe.

 

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:49 PM

35. Okay, then maybe you just need to do more.

Because after a while, you forget it's hundreds of years old and just start listening to the voice. Jane Austen is a crack up once you just listen to her. She has a Dorothy Parker-like sense of humor. SH can be, too. I used to get my guys to read three plays pretty fast so they'd get comfortable with the five dick jokes and the creative cussing and settle down and listen. If you're not having fun, try reading out loud a little. Sometimes that helps, too. If I can learn to like Milton, anything is possible. lol

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:02 PM

42. Try something that is more strongly motivating, like Poe. I have known students somewhat

behind in reading development who REALLY worked at Poe, because they knew stuff about him that motivated them

You might also consider much more and a wider variety of poetry, which has wider and deeper semantics, for practice on different kinds of syntaxes.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:31 PM

50. You do a lot of writing, so you're not as bad off as you might think. Try reading a short passage of

something that is motivating enough for you, but a little difficult, and then writing down exactly what the author said, but in your own words. You could approach it word by word, substituting your own word(s) for each word in the original and don't be too fussy about getting it exactly right. Just translate or paraphrase as best you can.

Thinking of example of what someone is saying is also helpful. Again, don't worry about whether it's right or not (yet) the important thing is to do it.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:50 PM

20. I was trying to read Adam Smith paragraph yesterday

 

and I couldnt make sense of it. I asked my well-read friend what it meant and he didnt know either. The sentence structure was different then.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:48 PM

31. You are right, but it is because

the books written over 100 years ago were written for the upper classes, who were the educated classes. Novels today are written for the masses. That is the reason that the older novels are more complex. It isn't you.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:18 PM

56. I've been bouncing back and forth between

"How the Scots Saved Civilization" and "Albion's Seed" this week, and both books claim that the average person in Covenenter Scotland and Puritan America was more literate than we give them credit for. Like, "blacksmiths checking out complicated works of theology" literate.

Like someone else said, they didn't have a lot to do.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:12 PM

47. Things change


Just got done with a medieval philosophy class.

So much mush in so much space. Write one sentence with meaning then write 3 more praising god, repeat. Quite painful to read.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:49 PM

53. *opens copy of original, unabridged translation of Les Miserables*

*gawks*
*has stroke*

What's changed is how authors write. The classical novels we're required to read in high school or college were written during prior times (sometimes, from many different time periods) and always reflect the usage of the language at that time.

Popular novels are and have always been this way. Hugo provides no tactical descriptions at all of the Battle of Waterloo in Les Miserables, but describes, eloquently and in detail, the plight of the Parisian poor of the 1830s, for example; by contrast, David Weber provides exhaustively detailed tactical descriptions of virtually all space battles presented in his Honor Harrington series (to the point you could reconstruct the battles if desired), but ignores any mention of any Manticoran citizens who are, as a group, disadvantaged in or disaffected with their society as it is (barely, in pencil lines) described.

[font size="0"]I've tried to make the above single sentence as grammatically correct as possible. If I didn't, well, mea culpa.[/font]

Both require an attentive reader, just for different reasons. I think you may be getting hung up on style, here, and not content.

Just my $.02.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:18 AM

58. Try HP Lovecraft

 

That'll really drive you crazy.

...."under a gibbous moon"....

......sheeze....

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:07 PM

3. That's what scares me

 

And that campaign ads can buy their vote. We all know about all the money pouring into Romney's campaign. Obama asking for money is another scary thing. Especially since I listen when he talks.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:19 PM

4. That's called "FOX".

 

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:30 PM

7. The sad thing is that many of these people are perfectly intelligent.

They are just mentally lazy and willfully ignorant.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:44 PM

11. Part of what I was getting to upthread

is that our educational system has been so degraded that even people who are fairly bright (such as myself haha) have serious trouble with complicated and subtle material, and it's getting worse generation by generation.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:59 PM

21. I'm not sure that our educational system is completely responsible for..

the problems people might have with reading and understanding difficult material. Young people today are spending more time on playing computer games and being on social media sites than they are reading books in their leisure time. I have been an avid reader from the time I learned to read but there was really nothing else to occupy my time and imagination when I was young, as was true for all of my generation. So, the reading habit was developed early on and continues to this day. I don't think it bodes well for the future generations of American citizens who are not able to understand and analyze more complex information.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:46 PM

13. when i was younger i had this belief that there was a collective good in america

that the good would win out.

now i question that.

often.

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Response to spanone (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:49 PM

33. I had a similar experience.

 

What a fool I was...

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Response to spanone (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:02 PM

41. Yep, exactly the same here. I really thought everyone basically worked for

the good of the country. I also never realized how many in America were truly ignorant, I did not realize how racist this country still was and I did not realize how wacky much of religion had become.

It wasn't until George Bush that I really started to realize just how evil many were. Yes, I of course realized their were pockets of that, but never how pervasive it was across America. And with Obama, the real pervasiveness of bigotry and racism has revealed itself.

And internet crime has revealed how many cheats there really are. Since 2000 has been a real eyeopener. I've become more and more concerned that what collective good there is might not win out, and I find that distressing and concerning.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:49 PM

14. planned mass ignorance perpetuated by the corporate media using our public airwaves

 


Manufactured Consent.

This propaganda comes at us 24/7 courtesy of corporate media, using our public airwaves to LIE to the American people every day.

This is in violation of their FCC license which is granted under the agreement that they will serve the public interest, not their own $$ interests.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:08 PM

16. Remember the "Dumbing down of America"

Payin off in spades.

Been saying this for a while.

-p

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:16 PM

18. What kills me is the Willful Ignorance of many.They're proud of it

There ain't no dern global warming, my trailer dun floated off like this last year too.

Not to continue my anti religious tirades from earlier, but the extent to which otherwise smart, educated people will put aside reason because their church, hate radio, or fox news tells them, just floors me. My mother is a super smart lady who has built and sold off three successful businesses from scratch, but she's also doesn't think twice about global climate change or about trying to make things better because "things will be better in the next world". That shit sounds like recorded video discovered after a mass cult suicide.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:38 PM

19. Oh yeah .. you got that right.

Seems all these dooms day Christo Fascists figure that they'll all be tooling around in heaven in their Rolls Royces so screw trying to make this a better world. They are so fucked in head it's unbelievable. I think the "dumbing down of this nation" is partly due to the crap that comes out of these preachers mouths every Sunday. What fools.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:04 PM

43. Exactly! I agree with you 100% n/t

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:12 PM

22. "Ignorance is Bliss"


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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:13 PM

48. Afraid I must agree. Religion has REALLY done great harm to people's minds. That's not Lord Jesus'

fault. That's ChurchMart's mortal sin.

However, I do make an intrinsic distinction between religion and authentically living spirituality honestly engaged in the emergent properties of experience.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:26 PM

23. K&R

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:05 PM

44. Wow, that says it all quite well!!! n/t

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:09 PM

46. Nice! nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:35 PM

25. oh it is one of their driving motivations - an ignorant peasant class

Informed consent of the governed riquires information. An education teaches the peasants how to process the information and question the source of the information. That is why they are at war with public schools.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:38 PM

26. Don't worry, be happy nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:47 PM

30. I have only, officially, an associates of science

although I will say that Ive over 160 credit hours of biology total;0

when I try and explain even middle school science to people, they look at me like Im a goddamn alien. Which tells me they've never even heard of basic stuff. Like Pythagoras. Let alone get into history! jesus

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:08 PM

45. It's all very scary and quite concerning. People don't even appear to

understand even basic math. I run across some people that even adding up a few numbers one would think they were stressing out over an advanced calculus problem.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:48 PM

32. Plato agreed with you...

In a famous quote, Plato essentially stated that democracy was not a good form of government because the people will fall prey to evil but charismatic leaders (sound like our recent history, say...Hitler?)


"The trick is to prevent such ignorant people from becoming the majority. At times, it seems nigh impossible to do so; curse our stupidity! "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1824376/posts

This is why so many of our leaders, although giving lip service to the contrary, set out to destroy the educational system and access to higher education IMHO. A stupid populace is easier to control.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:49 PM

34. Too true.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:49 PM

36. That, is so absolutely correct, and there's little done to correct the

situation and on top of that many are proud of their ignorance. It's a badge of honor, it appears. Is that F'ed up or what.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:53 PM

37. Completely rational professors, in my graduate program, who had decades of experience at all

levels in American education, agree with "planned mass ignorance". They very seriously, without kidding or exaggeration, used to say that fundamental policy decisions are most strongly influenced by those who think too much education is a useless thing; people don't need to know X, Y, or Z.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:57 PM

38. Dumber>less voters>better for GOP>better for corporations

 

That's about it. Bread and circuses just like Rome 2000 years ago.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:59 PM

40. Been saying that for decades

Ever since I started listening to Carlin in the 70's and when he came out
and told us all about how they want us to be "obedient servants" to the
real owners of this country, I've seen it slowly deteriorate.
There are three groups;
The Elderly who will never change their minds anymore
The Boomers who thought they knew it all when they are kids and think it even more today
And Generation Par-Tee, the 20+ year olds who only care if their cell phones are charged for the day.
They're the ones who will be totally controlled while the children of the wealthy hold the reigns.
Of course, if we have a revolution before that happens, they might have a chance.

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Response to TatonkaJames (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:21 PM

49. Some Boomers, such as this almost Elder Boomer, are true children of the '60s. We weren't

kidding then and, except for the pain and suffering caused by the wrong kind of revolution, we are NOT kidding now.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:36 PM

51. 2 comments:

Planned Mass Ignorance is a great name for a punk rock band, and, hey, get a brain moran.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:43 PM

52. Maybe Darwin is right...

if they don't want healthcare the who are we to interfere with the survuval of the fittest. You can bet most won't use it even when its fully implemented...cause they bee feared by dem Republicons.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002887908

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:17 PM

55. Man, just posted the same thing the other day. YES it was part of their

plan.

Step 1: Rape and pillage and rob the treasury. Get every last dime and then some

Step 2: Make the stupider masses think the country's in a dumpster because of
all those freeloaders. Stupid, bad, freeloaders. Hate them. Don't love them
like Jesus said.

How else can you explain Jean Schmidt dropping to her knees like it was the second
coming when she first hear, erroneously ACA had failed. Swooning because
people won't be able to see a doctor because they are poor?

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