Mon Apr 3, 2017, 09:30 AM
kpete (70,907 posts)
NYT: This is not a debatable issue. This is not fake news. This is not a witch hunt. This happened.
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40 replies, 17988 views
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Author | Time | Post |
 NYT: This is not a debatable issue. This is not fake news. This is not a witch hunt. This happened. (Original post) |
kpete | Apr 2017 | OP |
| Botany | Apr 2017 | #1 | |
| DK504 | Apr 2017 | #21 | |
| Botany | Apr 2017 | #25 | |
| Amaryllis | Apr 2017 | #36 | |
| Name removed | Apr 2017 | #32 | |
| dalton99a | Apr 2017 | #2 | |
| Sunlei | Apr 2017 | #3 | |
| Cary | Apr 2017 | #4 | |
| KittyWampus | Apr 2017 | #6 | |
| gratuitous | Apr 2017 | #19 | |
| Cary | Apr 2017 | #20 | |
| spanone | Apr 2017 | #5 | |
| NRaleighLiberal | Apr 2017 | #7 | |
| Plucketeer | Apr 2017 | #11 | |
| Duppers | Apr 2017 | #12 | |
| gratuitous | Apr 2017 | #24 | |
| Warren DeMontague | Apr 2017 | #40 | |
| ffr | Apr 2017 | #8 | |
| Hekate | Apr 2017 | #29 | |
| JTFrog | Apr 2017 | #9 | |
| Paladin | Apr 2017 | #14 | |
| CentralMass | Apr 2017 | #27 | |
| Paladin | Apr 2017 | #31 | |
| Fast Walker 52 | Apr 2017 | #10 | |
| lark | Apr 2017 | #13 | |
| Skittles | Apr 2017 | #34 | |
| LiberalFighter | Apr 2017 | #15 | |
| mnhtnbb | Apr 2017 | #23 | |
| Blue_Roses | Apr 2017 | #16 | |
| hamsterjill | Apr 2017 | #17 | |
| kag | Apr 2017 | #18 | |
| jmg257 | Apr 2017 | #22 | |
| FakeNoose | Apr 2017 | #26 | |
| sprinkleeninow | Apr 2017 | #38 | |
| Hekate | Apr 2017 | #28 | |
| niyad | Apr 2017 | #30 | |
| harun | Apr 2017 | #33 | |
| SunSeeker | Apr 2017 | #35 | |
| LaydeeBug | Apr 2017 | #37 | |
| AdamJohnson20 | Apr 2017 | #39 |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 09:32 AM
Botany (67,435 posts)
1. It is absolutely clear that the Russians did interfere in our election.
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Response to Botany (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:41 AM
21. Oh... all those intelligence agencies must be wrong and his is right.
Response to DK504 (Reply #21)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 12:07 PM
Botany (67,435 posts)
25. And the Russians left their fingerprints all over the place
Response to Botany (Reply #25)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 08:48 PM
36. I never believed it when they said Russia didnt affect the vote count. They dont just mess with
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 09:52 AM
3. Monday early AM --Donalds first tweet attacks Hillary over the debates. Wheres his Republican Aides?
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:03 AM
4. The burden of proof isn't "conclusive."
Response to Cary (Reply #4)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:25 AM
gratuitous (80,515 posts)
19. And that's even before an investigation has gotten cranked up
Response to gratuitous (Reply #19)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:32 AM
20. So, I don't know where we are in terms of proving a particular case
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:13 AM
NRaleighLiberal (58,252 posts)
7. only one sane course of action - invalidate the election and have a revote!
Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #7)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:36 AM
Duppers (26,311 posts)
12. Absolutely!
Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #7)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 12:07 PM
gratuitous (80,515 posts)
24. There is NO constitutional mechanism for doing this
Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #7)
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 06:03 AM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
40. That's simply not going to happen.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:17 AM
8. His tax returns will have the missing dot.
Response to ffr (Reply #8)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 12:41 PM
Hekate (82,926 posts)
29. Since the House Intel Committee is unable, the Senate IC must get them from the IRS now.nt
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:20 AM
9. "It moves from the zealot Mike Pence, to the weasel Paul Ryan to anti-abortion crusader..."
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Polls continue to find a strong appetite for the ultimate remedy: Trump’s impeachment. You would get no resistance from me if it ever came to that. But I also understand the order of succession and that, too, gives me pause.
It moves from the zealot Mike Pence, to the weasel Paul Ryan, to anti-abortion crusader Orrin Hatch, to Rex “Russian Order of Friendship” Tillerson, to the former Hollywood producer Steven Mnuchin, who had to apologize last week for plugging “The Lego Batman Movie,” for which he was an executive producer. The list goes on and on. Yes, an administration without Trump would be less of an international embarrassment and exceedingly more predictable, but these men have all cozied up to Trump or were picked by him, so there is little daylight among them on policy. Then there is the brazenly political, callously calculating school of thought — which is as dangerous as it is interesting — that holds that the severe distaste for sitting-President-Trump will likely be the best liberal motivator for success in the 2018 midterms and the 2020 presidential election. Following this logic, a crippled Trump is better than a vanquished one. Doesn't seem to be any way we end up but fucked.  |
Response to JTFrog (Reply #9)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:47 AM
Paladin (26,592 posts)
14. I'll take sane ideologues over a lunatic, any day. (nt)
Response to Paladin (Reply #14)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 12:13 PM
CentralMass (14,624 posts)
27. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Response to CentralMass (Reply #27)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 01:44 PM
Paladin (26,592 posts)
31. They seem to be, right now. (nt)
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:43 AM
lark (22,208 posts)
13. Charles Blow is a delight as always.
Response to lark (Reply #13)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 03:23 PM
Skittles (148,639 posts)
34. I absolutely agree
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:48 AM
LiberalFighter (45,598 posts)
15. Gibbs Rule 39 -- There is no such thing as coincidence.
Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #15)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:46 AM
mnhtnbb (30,511 posts)
23. LOL! I'm a fan, too.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:56 AM
16. It was clear to me on election night
Response to Blue_Roses (Reply #16)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:03 AM
hamsterjill (14,934 posts)
17. Bingo!!!!
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:17 AM
kag (3,971 posts)
18. Wow, Charles, tell us how you really feel...
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To be sure, Donald Trump is a despicable man and an awful president who deserves whatever he gets. He is crude, a liar, a bully and a cheat. He is vainglorious and vengeful.
It is not clear to me that America — and indeed the world — can survive a full-term Trump presidency.  |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:41 AM
22. Figure with all the sources and all the leaking, we would see some hard evidence of collusion
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 12:07 PM
FakeNoose (28,433 posts)
26. Order of succession be damned
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... Order of succession is NO REASON to not impeach Trump.
We have to impeach him and there are multiple reasons for that. If Trump's impeachment and eventual removal means the next yoyo is up (Pence) we'll go to work on him too. We'll impeach him if we can because there's a lot evidence that he's in on it too. But don't ever suggest that we can't do THING #1 because THING #2 will happen. If we do that then we might as well tear up the Constitution and start over. 
Just sayin' |
Response to FakeNoose (Reply #26)
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 03:52 AM
sprinkleeninow (18,744 posts)
38. Yes to your posit. eom
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 01:20 PM
niyad (98,980 posts)
30. k and r--and the more the orange madman screams and tries to deflect, the more we
Response to kpete (Original post)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 06:49 PM
SunSeeker (49,140 posts)
35. As Malcolm Nance said, "Coincidence requires a lot of planning." nt
