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Fri Mar 31, 2017, 09:47 AM

Rep. Adam Schiff's response to Donald Trump's tweet - this a.m. - will make POTUS shit his pants.




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Reply Rep. Adam Schiff's response to Donald Trump's tweet - this a.m. - will make POTUS shit his pants. (Original post)
kpete Mar 2017 OP
Achilleaze Mar 2017 #1
wishstar Mar 2017 #6
Hortensis Mar 2017 #36
Hekate Mar 2017 #38
Hortensis Mar 2017 #47
lostnfound Mar 2017 #62
Hortensis Apr 2017 #73
LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #75
jaysunb Mar 2017 #61
Cha Apr 2017 #67
Merlot Apr 2017 #71
jaysunb Apr 2017 #74
radical noodle Apr 2017 #76
Duppers Mar 2017 #40
oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 #44
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #48
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #2
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #42
underpants Mar 2017 #3
flamingdem Mar 2017 #16
progressoid Mar 2017 #54
wishstar Mar 2017 #4
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #17
uponit7771 Mar 2017 #39
MineralMan Mar 2017 #5
KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #7
Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #9
KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #10
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #19
Scruffy1 Mar 2017 #33
NBachers Mar 2017 #25
MineralMan Mar 2017 #28
mopinko Mar 2017 #56
MineralMan Mar 2017 #63
mopinko Mar 2017 #64
DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #34
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #37
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #23
MineralMan Mar 2017 #24
ananda Mar 2017 #30
MineralMan Mar 2017 #31
Marcuse Mar 2017 #49
burrowowl Apr 2017 #72
oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 #43
Girl powers Mar 2017 #57
oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 #59
PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #8
randome Mar 2017 #11
Chasstev365 Mar 2017 #13
randome Mar 2017 #15
3_Limes Mar 2017 #12
calimary Mar 2017 #55
Mountain Mule Apr 2017 #69
calimary Apr 2017 #70
tallahasseedem Mar 2017 #14
LuckyLib Mar 2017 #52
Chakaconcarne Mar 2017 #18
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #20
bigbrother05 Mar 2017 #22
lark Mar 2017 #21
MineralMan Mar 2017 #26
OnDoutside Mar 2017 #27
DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #35
OnDoutside Mar 2017 #46
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #58
Frustratedlady Mar 2017 #29
SunSeeker Mar 2017 #32
pangaia Mar 2017 #41
Adrahil Mar 2017 #45
Atman Mar 2017 #50
Glimmer of Hope Mar 2017 #51
dae Mar 2017 #53
red dog 1 Mar 2017 #60
napi21 Mar 2017 #65
DFW Apr 2017 #66
bigbrother05 Apr 2017 #77
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 09:48 AM

1. Has her testimony before House committee been re-scheduled?

Last I heard republican coverup-man Nunes cancelled the hearing, and did not re-schedule.

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 09:58 AM

6. After reveal of WH direct role with Nunes, Schiff seemed much more confident of House investigation

Now that Nunes/WH stunt got exposed WH is allowing investigators to look at documents that Nunes saw, Schiff seemed very upbeat yesterday about committee going forward again with witnesses and hearings, although not yet rescheduled.

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Response to wishstar (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:57 AM

36. I was interested to learn Schiff spent a few years

as an assistant U.S. attorney out in California, before entering politics. One case even involved an FBI agent selling documents to Russia. In any case, he's far from an amateur.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 12:04 PM

38. I find Schiff's professionalism very encouraging. Our Calif Dem delegation pleases me...

...and Schiff has become a star in the current circumstances. If and when DiFi decides to retire, I hope he runs for her seat.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:16 PM

47. He may be being groomed for that.

Definitely miss our California reps. Liked but didn't appreciate ours nearly enough until...Georgia!

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Response to Hekate (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 07:29 PM

62. I do too! But I'm pissed at how media keeps smearing him together with Nunes!!

As if Schiff was the one who was being unprofessional or partisan. The talking heads on TV keep referring to the Senate as acting like the adults in the room and the HIC as being chaotic and partisan, as if "they can't get any along".

Grr.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #62)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 11:51 PM

73. They're influenced by conservatives among them and

afraid of what the right would do to their profits if crossed.

In spite of these attempts at equalizing, just imagine how demoralized we'd be if Nunes were ours and Schiff theirs.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 08:24 PM

75. I find Schiff's professionalism very encouraging. Our Calif Dem delegation pleases me...

Yes indeed .....

Our Golden State makes me SO proud ...

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 07:00 PM

61. A couple things...

Yes, he is a very capable lawyer and his time spent as a US Attorney was distinguished.
And his original political campaign was his defeat of Clinton impeachment manager, James Rogan.

Disclaimer: Adam and his wife Eve are friends and he is my Rep.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #61)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 06:17 AM

67. Cool!

Jay

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #61)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 09:45 PM

71. I volunteered on his campaign to defeat rogan

I was SO angry at the whole Clinton impeachment thing, and rogan needed to go.

Met Schiff and talked with him a bit, seemed very smart and serious.

Unfortunately he's no longer my rep but it's cool to see him taking a lead in this investigation/farce.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #71)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 01:34 AM

74. +1 n/t

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Response to Merlot (Reply #71)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 01:22 AM

76. I must say that I'd never noticed him much before

but I really do like his attitude, temperament and the careful way he chooses his words. He seems like a leader to me.

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Response to wishstar (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 12:13 PM

40. So, the hearing is not entirely up to Nunes?

The Dems can form a subcommittee but they do not have any subpoena power.

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Response to wishstar (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 12:40 PM

44. How can we be sure

the WH will actually show Schiff the same documents Nunes saw?

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Response to oldtime dfl_er (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:32 PM

48. Intel should be able to determine that.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 09:49 AM

2. Depends

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 12:24 PM

42. T R U M P T W I T T E R P O O P

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 09:50 AM

3. There's been a Schiff in the force

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Response to underpants (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:42 AM

16. Trump is schiffing in his pants

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 03:21 PM

54. +1

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 09:54 AM

4. Flynn lied to FBI about his conversations with Kislyak

Then Flynn changed his answers several times as he realized he must have been caught on surveillance. So he is definitely still under criminal investigation by FBI

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Response to wishstar (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:44 AM

17. Flynn is going to jail.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 12:10 PM

39. +1

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 09:56 AM

5. The thing about Schiff is that he knows all sorts of stuff

he can't make public at this point. We should listen to him closely, because of that. He's not going to release classified information that is not supposed to be released, but his comments are based on knowledge we don't always have.

Everything he says is important.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:01 AM

7. I think Josh Marshall of TPM pointed out that you don't get

 

immunity unless you are willing to serve up someone higher on the food chain.*

There is only person higher on the food chain than Flynn.

*Perhaps also in return for ratting out other members of a conspiracy, in this case Manafort, Page, Stone, Pense?, et. al.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:10 AM

9. The old story goes...

first one to roll for the prosecutors gets the best deal.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:11 AM

10. AKA: He who talks first, walks first! - nt

 

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:48 AM

19. Installment just posted - The Gravity is Strong #3

My guess, Flynn wants to help with Trump's cyber-lynching of Obama.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-gravity-is-strong-3


By Josh Marshall March 31, 2017, 8:15 AM EDT

Mike Flynn's offer to testify in exchange for immunity and the apparent lack of anyone willing to take him up on his offer raises more questions than it answers. In fact, I'm not sure it answers any questions at all. There are various relatively minor offenses Flynn could plausibly be prosecuted for - failure to file under FARA for his lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government, failure to file proper paperwork with the Pentagon for his paid speech in Russia, possibly untruthful answers to the FBI about his conversations with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. These charges in themselves would be thin gruel in terms of matters of any true public concern. But any competent lawyer would still insist on immunity before letting his client testify on anything related to these possible bad acts. Flynn's lawyer states rather grandly that his client "has a story to tell and ... very much wants to tell it." But Alex Whiting of Harvard Law School argues pretty convincingly that what we learned last night likely means either that Flynn doesn't have a story prosecutors are willing to barter for or isn't yet willing to tell it.

So who knows what the immunity request means? Far more interesting to me is how Flynn ties in to the latest revelation in the unfolding Nunes debacle.

Let's walk through this. ...........

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:49 AM

33. I agree.

He's just part of a cover up plot. We already know he's a liar and any testimony he gives will be lies. Any testimony he gives will be evasive BS.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:15 AM

25. Better yet- Flynn testifies without immunity. I don't trust the shifty little shit-o-weasel.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:29 AM

28. He'll just take the 5th.

They all will. Guaranteed.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 03:51 PM

56. i dont know i you can take the 5th in a court martial.

flynn remains covered by the ucmj.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #56)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 08:09 PM

63. I'm talking about in a congressional hearing.

However, no defendant is ever required to testify at all in criminal court. That is true in military courts as well. A court cannot require the defendant to give testimony against him or herself.

That is the foundation of our criminal justice system, and applies equally under the UCMJ.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #63)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 08:20 PM

64. if he perjures himself, he is subject to court martial.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:50 AM

34. technically, 2 above him, Pence and Trump

nt

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #34)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 12:00 PM

37. The VP is window dressing, has only a small Constitutional role in the Senate.

Which really comes in handy during a scandal such as happened with Iran-Contra. Bush was running the operation but was outside the chain of ommand and untouchable unless someone squealed on him.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:11 AM

23. Plus Schiff has prosecuted & convicted a Russian spy. Nunes is udderly out of his league. . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:14 AM

24. Yes. Schiff, unlike Republicans in Congress, is a serious person.

It's a pity there aren't more such people there.

I listen closely to what Schiff says, and try hard to read between the lines when he makes a statement. He's often trying to tell us something he can't actually say in public.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:33 AM

30. Yes, Schiff is very careful with his wording.

This guy is smart and knows exactly what to say and how to say it
without bringing down the possibility of libel, slander, or false
accusations.

Read between the lines and you know it's bad for 45 and co.

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Response to ananda (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:34 AM

31. Exactly. I think he may well be a Democrat to watch.

Very bright and a good thinker.

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Response to ananda (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:49 PM

49. Res Ipsa Loquitor

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Response to Marcuse (Reply #49)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 11:44 PM

72. Yup!

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 12:39 PM

43. I want Schiff

to interview Flynn. I trust him. Not as sure about Warner over on the Senate side.

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Response to oldtime dfl_er (Reply #43)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 05:26 PM

57. Trust Mark Warner

I live in neighboring Maryland and been following Mark Warner for quite a long time.
I have always been impressed with him. He really did a good job as gov - turned VA around fiscally. I think you can trust him.

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Response to Girl powers (Reply #57)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 06:29 PM

59. thanks

I know very little about Warner, except his resume which makes him appear super smart and competent. I have seen him on TV recently and I guess he doesn't strike me as someone willing to go for the jugular. I hope I'm wrong.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:01 AM

8. Does Schiff know what Yates knows and what she could testify to?

Does anyone want to speculate on the 'goods' Sally Yates may have on BLOTUS?
Another question is will Nunes survive and if he does, will he even schedule Yates? Didn't he cancel all future hearings?

(I feel so sick and revolted by Paul Ryan and Nunes and such great respect for the work and character of Adam Schiff)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:15 AM

11. This is brilliant by Senator Schiff because it also puts more pressure on Nunes to reschedule Yates.

 

When we know Nunes is hoping the public will forget about her.
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Response to randome (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:22 AM

13. Congressman

 

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:25 AM

15. D'oh!

 


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:22 AM

12. I'm really surprised the he was dumb enough to reply to Schiff directly.

I don't think he'll do that too often in the future.

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Response to 3_Limes (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 03:44 PM

55. Welcome to DU, 3_Limes!

Unless he's just too stupid to understand the subtleties, maybe.

Nunes strikes me as a rube without a lot of the savvy and sophistication that comes with living in a big city - which Schiff does. Most of the California delegation, including my rep, Ted Lieu, makes me proud-proud-proud. Except for idiots like Nunes, Kevin McCarthy, Tom McClintock, Darrell Issa, and Dana Rohrabacher. Unfortunately we here in the Golden State have a few lumps of dirt in with all the gold nuggets.

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Response to calimary (Reply #55)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 12:27 PM

69. On behalf of loyal rural Americans everywhere

There are more Dems and Progressives out standing in their fields than many urban dwellers may realize. I share your disgust with Nunes, but he strikes me as more of a complacent fat cat with insider connections than as a "rube." Lots of backroom deals over Cali water supplies and pat-pat, wink-wink. I know that I don't need to inform a Californian that water is more precious than gold in the American West, but others might like to know that Nunes is far from stupid. He who controls the water rights, controls the world in our part of the country.

Just saying.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Reply #69)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 01:19 PM

70. Good point.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:24 AM

14. I love this man...

It's so nice to have a stand up and intelligent individual running this thing.

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Response to tallahasseedem (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 02:14 PM

52. Isn't it interesting how one smart, well-spoken, thoughtful congressperson stands out?

Shows you what a collection of toadies so many of the rest of them are . . .

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:47 AM

18. I have written Schiff many times thanking him for his efforts...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:51 AM

20. A caveat.


"But please correct an inaccuracy ... (non-attorney) Josh Marshall, not withstanding, it is inaccurate to say immunity is not granted unless one can serve up someone higher on the food chain ... immunity is routinely granted to conspirators whose testimony proves a substantial element of the case, whatever that case may be. Caution dictates that we pause, as we do not know what the actual element is being sought to be proved. "

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:03 AM

22. Flynn could confirm that he was the bagman for the campaign

Remember that Dear Leader stated that if Flynn wasn't doing what he lied about doing, he would have told him to do it. He was one of several folks in their camp acting as conduits to Putin and his minions. Likely he'd name Pence and others directly.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 10:59 AM

21. One big problem with what he said.

The Chair of the Committee has said there will be no further hearings on this issue in the near future. He's shut down the committee, but Schiff hasn't picked up on that fact yet. If revelations are going to come, they won't get by Nunes who is furiously busy protecting Hair Furor. Anything we learn will come from Senate committee as House version has basically been shut down. So sad that Nunes is as much a traitor as his boss.

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Response to lark (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:15 AM

26. I think it is likely that Nunes will end up being replaced.

Things are getting more and more uncomfortable for Ryan right now. Nunes will step down, I believe, and quite soon.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #26)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:28 AM

27. I agree, though I wish the media would be making more of the "Ryan told me to go to Trump"

statement from Nunes. If that was highlighted a lot more, it would be clear that one of them is lying, putting pressure on Ryan to get rid of him.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:55 AM

35. Ryan was asked directly about Nunes coming to see him

Ryan sloughed it off as him expecting Nunes to share the info with his cmte, iirc.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:01 PM

46. Did you see his interview with Kasie Hunt ? He specifically

said no. Previously I did hear a non committal answer from him. I really hope someone picks it up

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:31 AM

29. Schiff is impressive and I hope he has POTUS thoughts in his future.

He seems to be a straight shooter. He also seems to be enjoying the plight of Nunes...aren't we all?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:39 AM

32. K & R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 12:23 PM

41. It should be called the HOUSE UNINTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.... for now, anyway.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 12:40 PM

45. BOOM!!!! NT

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:51 PM

50. "Link to tweet." Oh well.

The sub line was interesting. I guess it was interesting for you to actually tell us about the tweet.

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Response to Atman (Reply #50)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:59 PM

51. Here you go:


"The public should learn a lot more about WHY General Flynn wants immunity when Sally Yates testifies before the House Intelligence Committee"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 02:19 PM

53. This may get interesting afterall! :)

To late for for Trump & his minions.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 06:56 PM

60. K&R!

Adam Schiff for President in 2020?
(If EW doesn't run)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:09 PM

65. Schiff is one of the good guys. I'pd never heard of him until this hearing. I don't mean this as a

slam. but I had to go check if his wife's name was really Eve. Adam & Eve????

I hope he becomes one of the high ranking Dems. and gets his fellow House members to adopt his lead.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 01:00 AM

66. Maybe I'm looking too far down the road, and in the wrong place, but....

It's starting to look to me like this is Paul Ryan's clandestine campaign for the presidency--one he intends to win in typical Republican fashion, i.e. without winning an election. He gives lip service to being a loyal party man, and defending his president and VP, and then, with a sad sense of duty and patriotism, of course, lets nature take its course, removing both Trump and Pence. That leaves, according to the constitutional order of succession, the Speaker of the House, who just happens to be, in his case, why "little old me!"

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Response to DFW (Reply #66)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 03:23 PM

77. Don't think you're too far off considering how 'lil Paul stiffed Nunes

He was probably vague enough when Nunes spoke with him before his big reveal to not leave his fingerprints on that fiasco.

Ryan is not an idiot, but his finesse game is lacking. If he gets the big office, it's likely his path will be rocky as well.

Don't think he could withstand the slog of a full primary/general election cycle, so he's trying to sidle in the back door.

eta: The same MO for becoming the Speaker. Let others do the heavy lifting then take the reins by default.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 06:35 AM

68. So many witches, so little time to hunt

that's the problem.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 03:32 PM

78. Shiff 2020?

 

Hands down

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