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Thu Mar 30, 2017, 10:49 PM

WHY WE SHOULD IGNORE CLIMATE DENIERS


I'm going to try this topic again...

I LOVE science but climate deniers are an irresponsible if not dangerous lot.

Climate change 10,000 years ago would not matter. Humans could just get up and move. In fact many were forced to move as climate change created the deserts of north Africa and the Middle East or as the Ice Age moved south.

But we now have hundreds of trillions invested in infrastructure and agricultural zones based on the CURRENT climate and sea level of the past 2-3 thousand years. Nature has also found a balance where natural pests tend to be controlled by natural predators.

Climate deniers want to belief if climate change is natural, then we're somehow magically out of the woods and don't have to do anything. But even if humans have NO effect on the climate and ALL global warming were due to fluctuations in solar output or some other natural phenomenon, we'd STILL have to spend tends of trillions more to defend those coastal cities, deal with disruptions in our agricultural infrastructure, and deal with disruptions cause by new pests and diseases JUST TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT EXISTENCE. All this money COULD be used for the betterment of humanity... but instead will be pissed away just to hold our own.

Itís time to stop seeing climate change as a political pissing contest and see that bigger picture: we mess with the global climate at our own peril. If there is just a 1% chance that climate may reach a sudden tipping point where warming rapidly speeds up... a 1% chance of mass famine from drought or destruction of agricultural zones, a 1% chance of the dislocation of hundreds of millions of people or a 1% chance of a shut down of the thermohaline sea currents that warm Europe... THEN THAT CHANCE IS TOO GREAT to risk listening to self-serving corporate propagandists, their wh0res in Congress, or dimwitted deniers who post there's nothing to worry about.

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Reply WHY WE SHOULD IGNORE CLIMATE DENIERS (Original post)
eniwetok Mar 2017 OP
AJT Mar 2017 #1
eniwetok Mar 2017 #2
eniwetok Mar 2017 #3
mn9driver Mar 2017 #4
eniwetok Mar 2017 #5

Response to eniwetok (Original post)

Thu Mar 30, 2017, 11:09 PM

1. Do you think the corporate bigwigs are actual deniers

or are they just so selfish and greedy that they just feed the public the denier angle for personal gain? Like the tobacco bigwigs.

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Response to AJT (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 30, 2017, 11:18 PM

2. I make a distinction...

While the human capacity for self-delusion is infinite... I do make a distinction between the different types of climate deniers. Corporate interests will rationalize away any evidence that threatens profits. Political whores are just whores who work for their masters. Dimwits are just convinced of their own infallibility.

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Response to eniwetok (Original post)

Thu Mar 30, 2017, 11:25 PM

3. Debating Climate Deniers

I do spend some time at other forums... debating right wing climate deniers. I do wonder about the effectiveness of a response such as....



Please direct me to a climate change denier site that can GUARANTEE there is a

ZERO chance that climate may reach a tipping point where warming rapidly speeds up...

ZERO chance of mass famine from drought or destruction of agricultural zones

ZERO chance of the dislocation of hundreds of millions of people from, drought, famine, or sea level rise

ZERO chance of a shut down of the thermohaline sea currents that warm Europe...

ZERO chance humanity will have to piss away trillions just to deal with such effects above as opposed to spending that same money for the betterment of the nation or humanity.

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Response to eniwetok (Original post)

Thu Mar 30, 2017, 11:55 PM

4. The Money knows global warming is real and caused by us.

With the exception of the fossil fuel industry, the global economy is moving forward based on that knowledge. Among nations, Russia and now the United States are the only major exceptions; Russia because Putin's kleptocracy is dependent on oil, and the US because Trump is dependent on Putin's good graces.

The deniers you meet on line are either paid trolls or hopeless cases. Ignore them. They have 5 lies for every fact you provide. Time is much better spent calling and writing to your elected representatives at every level.

The way we can help most is to advocate for and support clean energy and to make it clear to those in office that it is a high priority issue for most of their voters.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 31, 2017, 07:49 PM

5. sometimes there are good reasons to debate idiots...

Aside from the lurkers who otherwise might buy into the lies... it's always good to be aware of new clever arguments these fools make.

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