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Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:06 PM Mar 2017

Why stop at healthcare? Why not make the police free-market as well?

Pay for the crimes YOU want! Basic packages include murder coverage and theft coverage. But if you want to be protected from crimes like assault or vandalism it'll cost extra. If a crime is committed against you then obviously your premiums will rise. And don't forget you may be rejected for preexisting conditions like living in a poor neighborhood or not being white. Predictably, premiums will be higher for women, especially if they opt for the rape and sexual assault packages, as they have a predisposition for being victims of those crimes; so don't worry us men won't need to cover the costs
If you don't get covered that's your choice and people will be able to do anything they want to you with impunity. Tough luck poors, you should've thought of that before you bought your iPhone that you dialed 911 on (btw the number is different for each police protection provider now so 911 won't work unless you carry a policy with that PD).

As Paul Ryan says "That's freedom"!

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Why stop at healthcare? Why not make the police free-market as well? (Original Post) Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 OP
+1, this is the question wingers love to run from like RAID uponit7771 Mar 2017 #1
Fire departments will soon be gone, replaced by minimum wage working Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #2
And you'll have to hope your neighbor has paid his firefighter bill, too. Ilsa Mar 2017 #13
It is already happening AJT Mar 2017 #29
Please don't give them any ideas... MineralMan Mar 2017 #3
While I understand you are engaging in hyperbole and satire, there's KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #4
That's assuming that 2naSalit Mar 2017 #5
I'm sure that's in our future. ananda Mar 2017 #6
Remember when they brought in Blackwater after the Katrina disaster? This is probably their pnwmom Mar 2017 #7
So, they will offer us several packages of Doreen Mar 2017 #8
Some fire departmenst already do this. They stood by and watched a house burn. McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #9
Read "Jennifer Government" by Max Barry. Aristus Mar 2017 #10
+1 dalton99a Mar 2017 #17
Taht was exactly the model of the 18th and 19th century in Britain dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #21
Why would they want to change the status quo? Cirque du So-What Mar 2017 #11
It would allow the rich to finally legally hunt poor people for sport Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #12
That wouldn't last long Cirque du So-What Mar 2017 #14
"Sorry - you didn't pay the dues this month, so we're going to let that burglar murder you." Oneironaut Mar 2017 #15
Sorry you didn't pay your taxes, we're taking your entire house. PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #27
Trump already has his own private security force outside of the SS. Cattledog Mar 2017 #16
Give them a minute - they're already working on the roads, too Glitterati Mar 2017 #18
Actually, that's a favorite topic for some libertarians. And OF COURSE jails will be for-profit. eppur_se_muova Mar 2017 #19
That actually exists here in NC. Has for some time with private police Lee-Lee Mar 2017 #20
Don't give them any ideas. smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #22
They won't be satisfied until the Purge is real. Initech Mar 2017 #23
Reminder that his 2020 campaign slogan was literally ripped from that movie's tagline Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #24
There's no line between fiction and reality for them. Initech Mar 2017 #25
Military, too...opt out of paying for wars you don't think we should fight. Tanuki Mar 2017 #26
Freedom fought for by the Founding Fathers was... Beartracks Mar 2017 #28
I hope no one from the GOP sees this post, or they will likely impliment it! Takket Mar 2017 #30

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
2. Fire departments will soon be gone, replaced by minimum wage working
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:08 PM
Mar 2017

untrained, non union personnel.

Another dream of the rightwing.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
13. And you'll have to hope your neighbor has paid his firefighter bill, too.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 02:19 PM
Mar 2017

Your mortgage company might foreclose if you get behind.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
29. It is already happening
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 10:54 PM
Mar 2017

SOUTH FULTON, Tenn. -- Firefighters stood by and watched a Tennessee house burn to the ground earlier this week because the homeowners didn't pay the annual subscription fee for fire service.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
4. While I understand you are engaging in hyperbole and satire, there's
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:11 PM
Mar 2017

little chance this would happen.

"A standing army and police are the chief instruments of state power." ~V. I. Lenin

2naSalit

(86,057 posts)
5. That's assuming that
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:37 PM
Mar 2017

these agencies have not already or about to be infiltrated by blackwater types... which I think is the case.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
7. Remember when they brought in Blackwater after the Katrina disaster? This is probably their
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:39 PM
Mar 2017

long term goal. Blackwater everywhere.

Aristus

(66,095 posts)
10. Read "Jennifer Government" by Max Barry.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:49 PM
Mar 2017

It postulates a hypercapitalistic world where everything is run on 'free-market' principles.

The police and the NRA are both private mercenary organizations. The government's only real function is to investigate crime. And they are absolutely bound by budget limits. "Sell your iPhone" is not too far off the mark. The main character is only able to investigate a murder if the victim's family sell their house to pay for the investigation.

It's very unsubtle social satire, and funny in places. But by and large, it's a frightening look at the kind of world Paul Ryan seems to want.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
21. Taht was exactly the model of the 18th and 19th century in Britain
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 09:02 PM
Mar 2017

and some other countries.
esp. for fire depts.

There was very little social net, and it seems that people like Rtan, et al are constnatly working at the
"I've got mine, FU everyone else".

But now that thinking is in the WH.....

Cirque du So-What

(25,812 posts)
11. Why would they want to change the status quo?
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 02:07 PM
Mar 2017

PDs have always existed to look out for the interests of the 1% - even though they're paid with money taken from all of us. Anyone who's ever walked a picket line will attest to that. Anyone who's taken a critical look at the relative levels of police coverage and response times between rich enclaves and poor neighborhoods will back me up on that.

Cirque du So-What

(25,812 posts)
14. That wouldn't last long
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 02:20 PM
Mar 2017

The numerical advantage against them is insurmountable. Before long, even their mercenary forces would turn against them.

Oneironaut

(5,461 posts)
15. "Sorry - you didn't pay the dues this month, so we're going to let that burglar murder you."
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 02:26 PM
Mar 2017

"Have a nice day! Oh wait, you're dead."

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
27. Sorry you didn't pay your taxes, we're taking your entire house.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 10:09 PM
Mar 2017

(That's how it works with government, btw).

Also courts have ruled that police actually have no legal obligation to protect you.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
18. Give them a minute - they're already working on the roads, too
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 04:30 PM
Mar 2017

Georgia's republican governor just told us this weekend, get use to paying tolls.

eppur_se_muova

(36,227 posts)
19. Actually, that's a favorite topic for some libertarians. And OF COURSE jails will be for-profit.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 08:00 PM
Mar 2017

Try reading the SF of L. Neil Smith, for example.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
20. That actually exists here in NC. Has for some time with private police
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 08:15 PM
Mar 2017

Private or Company Police in NC and full fledged police officers that have to meet the same standard of training and background as regular police. But instead of the jurisdiction being the government body that employs them it is the property of the owner or anyone contracted with the agency plus adjacent public roads. Inside that jurisdiction they have the same arrest, citation and use of force powers as police anywhere else do.

Usually these private police are found in large company's, railroads, large hospitals, etc. But I know of at least two that service high-income areas where there is limited Sheriff's department coverage and it is not an incorporated town. So wealthy homeowners, developments, resorts, etc contract with the private police force to get a higher level of service than the default level coming from the sheriffs department provides.

It definitely creates a two-tier level of service where you might wait 20 minutes for a Sheriffs Deputy to respond to a call while your neighbor who pays the fee gets a response in 3-5 minutes for the same call. That said when it's matters of lives at risk they will answer requests for the SO and respond anywhere they ask as mutual aid, so residents in the area who don't pay still get some extra benefit. They also run calls for the paid areas that take the load off the deputies freeing them up, so that is a slight benefit to the overall community as well. But still very much two tiers of service in that area depending on who you are and what you pay.

Tanuki

(14,893 posts)
26. Military, too...opt out of paying for wars you don't think we should fight.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 10:02 PM
Mar 2017

Hell, why have a socialized White House, much less supporting Mar-A-Loco and Rapunzel in Trump Tower?

Beartracks

(12,761 posts)
28. Freedom fought for by the Founding Fathers was...
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 10:17 PM
Mar 2017

... the freedom to live your life free from tyranny, the way you want to -- NOT the "freedom" to die at the hands of free-market tyranny, the way you DON'T want to.

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