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Rhiannon12866

(202,958 posts)
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 04:47 AM Mar 2017

He may not even understand Watergate: Former Nixon lawyer schools Trumps Obama-wiretap claim

Former White House Counsel for United States President Richard Nixon John Dean knows a thing or two about Watergate and he wants President Donald Trump to learn the facts. In fact-free accusations Saturday morning on Twitter, Trump alleged a new Watergate at the hands of former President Barack Obama, whom Trump said wiretapped him.

Dean called Trump’s claim this is another Watergate “way off base.”

“It shows, first of all, that Trump may not even understand Watergate,” Dean continued. “He seems to be conflicting the act of the wiretapping, which never happened — in fact, it was a bungled effort, they went in to try to repair a bungled bug, and Nixon had nothing to do with that, he’s confusing that with the cover-up, which he seems to have a little more understandings projecting himself into that situation.”

He went on to note that Trump has a history of parroting accusations others throw at him regardless of whether the label makes any sense. A glaring example was when Hillary Clinton accused Trump of being a Putin puppet and he accused her of being Putin’s puppet.


More (Includes video): http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/he-may-not-even-understand-watergate-former-nixon-lawyer-schools-trumps-obama-wiretap-claim/


'Trump may not even understand Watergate': Former Nixon lawyer schools Trump

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He may not even understand Watergate: Former Nixon lawyer schools Trumps Obama-wiretap claim (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 OP
John Dean - he's come a long way Cooley Hurd Mar 2017 #1
He was one of the first I followed on Twitter Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #4
What Happened watoos Mar 2017 #2
This one? Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #3
Dean was a Goldwater Republican and is still a Hortensis Mar 2017 #5
I've always found John Dean interesting and he sure has the background to weigh in on these things Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #6
This is what thoughtful moderate conservatives, Hortensis Mar 2017 #9
Those aren't the ones who scare me Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #12
We are all righteously scared of them. Hortensis Mar 2017 #14
From what I've seen, they lack the courage to stand up to these bullies Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #15
If moderates rediscover their moderation, Republican Hortensis Mar 2017 #16
I'm afraid Dear Leader doesn't understand much about anything. Vinca Mar 2017 #7
That's a very good point! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #8
Drumpf was otherwise engaged during Watergate BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #10
Oh, I have no doubt he was a peach, even back then Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #11
How would Watergate affect him? BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #13

Rhiannon12866

(202,958 posts)
4. He was one of the first I followed on Twitter
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:00 AM
Mar 2017

He's not only very interesting, but he sounds like "one of us!"

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
2. What Happened
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:45 AM
Mar 2017

to the Maddow- Azerbaijan thread about Trump's money laundering? Why is it off the board?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Dean was a Goldwater Republican and is still a
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:23 AM
Mar 2017

Goldwater admirer as an fallen-away independent and GOP-repudiator. I've read three of his books about conservatives in government, what I remember another matter. I'm glad he's speaking out now.

This was tweeted to him by a friend.

Rhiannon12866

(202,958 posts)
6. I've always found John Dean interesting and he sure has the background to weigh in on these things
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:29 AM
Mar 2017

And he sounds much like we do, these days...

That photo is priceless!!!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. This is what thoughtful moderate conservatives,
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:46 AM
Mar 2017

with probably some moderate libertarian leanings, sound like. There are plenty more out there, if not exactly so aware. Lets hope the current disaster helps less thoughtful ones move away from the extremism that has become the GOP.

John Dean Retweeted Jon Maas
Says it all. Perfect comment on Trump's surveillance charge. When I stopped laughing I realized it was from the wonderful wit of a friend.

Rhiannon12866

(202,958 posts)
12. Those aren't the ones who scare me
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 09:02 AM
Mar 2017

It's the loons who have taken over what was John Dean's Republican Party, the Cruz/Pence/Huckabee extremists who want to impose their repressive beliefs on the rest of the country...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. We are all righteously scared of them.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 09:09 AM
Mar 2017

That's why President Obama worried publicly last summer that the center might not hold. Our center, of course, was already breached like the Oroville dam spillway, but it hadn't collapsed yet.

Now more moderate conservatives who don't like what they became part of need to rediscover the critical importance of uniting with their counterparts on the left against the anti-democracy elements threatening to destroy our country. Hope, hope.

Rhiannon12866

(202,958 posts)
15. From what I've seen, they lack the courage to stand up to these bullies
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 09:18 AM
Mar 2017

And they're afraid of not being re-elected, since this extreme message has infected enough of a vocal fringe who also love the idea of imposing their bigoted, misogynistic beliefs on everyone they despise.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. If moderates rediscover their moderation, Republican
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 09:31 AM
Mar 2017

politicians will have extremely good reason to fear not being reelected.

I'm not talking about the extremists and amoral mountebanks right-wing plutocrats have bought into office. I'm talking about naturally moderate conservative voters. Really, most deplore the nastiness of the far right, but they united with them to oppose us. Because abandoning individual responsibility to unite behind their leaders against a commonly agreed on threat is what conservatives do best.

The courage they lack is that needed to break ranks. But they may finally be hurt and worried enough by their own side to doubt. And once enough people did, others would follow.

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
7. I'm afraid Dear Leader doesn't understand much about anything.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:32 AM
Mar 2017

The "wire tap" claim is especially funny though since it would mean he was guilty if he was right.

Rhiannon12866

(202,958 posts)
8. That's a very good point!
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:38 AM
Mar 2017

He just keeps digging himself in deeper and deeper. You'd think at the very least he'd get better advisors.

BumRushDaShow

(127,255 posts)
10. Drumpf was otherwise engaged during Watergate
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:49 AM
Mar 2017
Looking Back
[font size="4"]1973 | Meet Donald Trump[/font]

By David W. Dunlap July 30, 2015 2:20 pm





Some Americans are just getting to know Donald Trump. Readers of The Times have known him for 42 years.

They first met him, on the front page no less, on Oct. 16, 1973. Then 27 years old, Mr. Trump was the president of the Trump Management Corporation, at 600 Avenue Z in Brooklyn, which owned more than 14,000 apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island. “Major Landlord Accused of Antiblack Bias in City,” the headline stated. The Department of Justice had brought suit in federal court in Brooklyn against Mr. Trump and his father, Fred C. Trump, charging them with violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968 in the operation of 39 buildings.

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’ ” The Times reported. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.” Donald Trump’s first quoted words in The New York Times expressed his view of the charges: “They are absolutely ridiculous.” “We never have discriminated,” he added, “and we never would.”

Two months later, Trump Management, represented by Roy M. Cohn, turned around and sued the United States government for $100 million (roughly $500 million in today’s terms), asserting that the charges were “irresponsible and baseless.” “Mr. Trump accused the Justice Department of singling out his corporation because it was a large one, and because the government was trying to force it to rent to welfare recipients,” The Times reported.

Under an agreement reached in June 1975, Trump Management was required to furnish the New York Urban League with a list of all apartment vacancies, every week, for two years. It was also to allow the league to present qualified applicants for every fifth vacancy in Trump buildings where fewer than 10 percent of the tenants were black.

https://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/?_r=0

Rhiannon12866

(202,958 posts)
11. Oh, I have no doubt he was a peach, even back then
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:55 AM
Mar 2017

But no matter how self absorbed he was, how could he ignore Watergate?? It's not like he was 12 - and it tore the country apart!

BumRushDaShow

(127,255 posts)
13. How would Watergate affect him?
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 09:05 AM
Mar 2017

Someone who was wealthy?

He was busy "growing his businesses" thanks to his daddy. He worked the NYC political machines of Lindsay and Beame. No time to deal with what was happening on the national level.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/behind-the-seventies-era-deals-that-made-donald-trump-7380534

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/trump-files-how-donald-tricked-new-york-huge-deal

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