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TomCADem

(17,446 posts)
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 03:05 AM Mar 2017

Analysis: The Quiet Response to President Trumps Explosive Claim

This is both good and bad. On the one hand, most folks, even Trump's allies, know that he is full of shit. On the other hand, the bar is lowered once again, so that when he manages not to shit all over himself, people weep with joy regarding how Presidential he has become. The article concludes, "[t]he fact that this pattern had become so established, so normal, was on its own a shocking moment in American politics. It took 43 days into the Trump administration to arrive at this point."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-the-quiet-response-to-president-trump%E2%80%99s-explosive-claim/ar-AAnNEzc

On Saturday, President Donald Trump posed a new question: Suppose the commander-in-chief declared a massive political scandal — and nobody cared?

In a series of early morning tweets, Trump claimed — with no evidence — that President Barack Obama personally ordered wiretap surveillance of Trump Tower and implied he might take legal action in response. He likened the purported scandal to "Nixon/Watergate" in scope and called his immediate predecessor a "bad (or sick) guy."

It was an explosive allegation that raised immediate questions about both the Obama administration's behavior and the status of investigations into Trump associates' relationship to Russia, which the intelligence community has accused of a hacking campaign to aid Trump politically.

And then ... not much happened.
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Analysis: The Quiet Response to President Trumps Explosive Claim (Original Post) TomCADem Mar 2017 OP
May have moved up IC agenda quicker n/t Chevy Mar 2017 #1
Yes. elleng Mar 2017 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author joet67 Mar 2017 #9
'Not much happened?' elleng Mar 2017 #2
43 days. dchill Mar 2017 #4
I call BS on that article as no questions were raised about the behavior of Obama & his admin. LonePirate Mar 2017 #5
Thank you, LonePirate! I was rolling my eyes and Cha Mar 2017 #6
I have no illusions about how ridiculous conspiracy theorists can be loyalsister Mar 2017 #8
A lot has happened madaboutharry Mar 2017 #7
If Trump and his asshole aids read actual newspapers BainsBane Mar 2017 #10
I'm surprised Trump hasn't attacked Nance, when he has OnDoutside Mar 2017 #12
I was surprised he didn't attack the father of the navy seal BainsBane Mar 2017 #13
True, although with widow coming to Congress he was OnDoutside Mar 2017 #14
He doesn't seem to learn BainsBane Mar 2017 #15
True. OnDoutside Mar 2017 #16
I'm Going With "Presidential" Mode ProfessorGAC Mar 2017 #17
All we know of President Obama says he does it by the book. OnDoutside Mar 2017 #11
I think one of the reasons that Obama has been smiling so much-- mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #18
Yes, but i hope it is watertight, there's too much at stake. OnDoutside Mar 2017 #19
I agree. And that's why it's important to go slowly and build the case. mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #20
It certainly has the appearance of death by 1000 cuts, but maybe they don't have it all and are OnDoutside Mar 2017 #21

Response to Chevy (Reply #1)

elleng

(133,130 posts)
2. 'Not much happened?'
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 03:08 AM
Mar 2017

We shall see. A stranger waiting for a movie, reading Saturday's news, predicted: '3 months til impeachment.' This in a DC suburb, likely just a person like me, but aware.

LonePirate

(13,629 posts)
5. I call BS on that article as no questions were raised about the behavior of Obama & his admin.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 03:54 AM
Mar 2017

Everybody knows that if 45's phones were tapped, Obama or anyone in his administration did not ask for the warrant or wiretapping. This is not a case where both sides need to be viewed equally or impartially here.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
8. I have no illusions about how ridiculous conspiracy theorists can be
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:45 AM
Mar 2017

I talked with someone who was convinced that HRC demanded the IRS audit republicans. People will believe this shit coming from 45, because not so long ago people were paranoid about the NSA listening to their phone calls. Of course, Obama got blamed for the policies initiated by Bush. We are dealing with people who either went along with it, or just weren't bothered by the birther campaign. 45's loyalists are prepared to believe almost anything he comes up with and the administration knows it. They just keep piling on one lie after another priming people to believe anything they say. "See what happens when you have a president who tells it like it is? You find out the real dirt." If the press is an enemy to their hero, whatever comes out of the white house is to be unconditionally trusted.
This is a dynamic where facts and truth are not relevant. It was intentional during the campaign and I think it's intentional now.

madaboutharry

(40,444 posts)
7. A lot has happened
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 04:02 AM
Mar 2017

Television cable news was wall to wall analysis all day. The whole Russia story got turned up to 500 degrees. An independent commission became much more likely.

BainsBane

(53,293 posts)
10. If Trump and his asshole aids read actual newspapers
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 05:33 AM
Mar 2017

and not just Breitbart, they would know that the Guardian and others reported a month ago that there are three FISA warrants related to the Trump-Russia connection. Hell, it's been on TV. Malcom Nance has talked about it. We know Trump likes to watch a lot of TV.

OnDoutside

(20,060 posts)
14. True, although with widow coming to Congress he was
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 05:45 AM
Mar 2017

Probably convinced not to. That said even he must have recognized the folly in attacking the parent of a war hero after last time.

mnhtnbb

(31,580 posts)
18. I think one of the reasons that Obama has been smiling so much--
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:43 AM
Mar 2017

aside from the fact that he's DONE having to deal with the likes of McConnell and Ryan--is that he KNOWS
what's up with all the Russian connection with Trump. He knows and he's keeping quiet about it and enjoying
the hell out of watching Cheeto destroy himself.

Obama is a hopeful, positive guy. Whether he's right to think that the country will come out of this terrible
attack on our democracy remains to be seen. But he clearly thinks we'll be ok, so he's able to smile broadly
at the thought that all it takes is giving Trump enough rope and he'll hang himself and so far, he's proceeding
at a steady pace toward the gallows.

OnDoutside

(20,060 posts)
21. It certainly has the appearance of death by 1000 cuts, but maybe they don't have it all and are
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 08:04 AM
Mar 2017

doing this into goading him to lose the plot.

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