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Thu Mar 2, 2017, 02:29 PM

Have Dems In ANY State Tried To Enact Instant Runoff Voting?

I get tired of hearing some here bash Greens for election defeats as if the Dems have some RIGHT to someone else's vote. A vote is a citizen's consent to govern and they SHOULD have the right to vote their conscience. Yet we're in a position that many Dems HATE Greens when they should be natural allies.

Lost on them is that it's the defects in our f*cking state and federal electoral systems that creates these dysfunctional dynamics.

On the federal level it's the EC... a mindless, antidemocratic, vote weighting scheme that gives the votes of SOME citizens bigger votes than others depending on choice of state resident. NO FREE PERSON should have to put up with election LOSERS "winning" an election.

On the state level there's winner take all elections where the votes of all other parties are handed to the winner for the EC.

But there's also the lack of IRV in these elections. IRV allows everyone to vote their conscience... and if their candidate doesn't win... they can choose a second choice to whom their vote would go to. Chances are most of Nader's 2000 voters in FL would have gone to Gore. Problem solved... well, one problem.

Dems have now had 16 YEARS to work on bringing IRV to their states. Have ANY actually worked on this? I have no idea. Maybe someone here does.

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Reply Have Dems In ANY State Tried To Enact Instant Runoff Voting? (Original post)
eniwetok Mar 2017 OP
brooklynite Mar 2017 #1
eniwetok Mar 2017 #2
crazycatlady Mar 2017 #3
eniwetok Mar 2017 #4
brooklynite Mar 2017 #5
eniwetok Mar 2017 #9
Tiggeroshii Mar 2017 #6
eniwetok Mar 2017 #7
Tiggeroshii Mar 2017 #8

Response to eniwetok (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 02:33 PM

1. Maine approved it in the last election

That said, I'm not clear why the Greens should be our natural allies.

ADD TO WHICH, the implication of your post is that people SHOULD vote Green (with a safety valve if not enough do), which in my opinion violates TOS.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 02:41 PM

2. there's no implication...

Forgot about Maine! But then Maine DID something to get out of the situation of having a lunatic Gov who didn't get a majority of the vote.

I'm not telling anyone how to vote but it's shocking to hear that someone would object to a citizen being able to vote their conscience. But if the DEMS want to get out of this dilemma of not getting Green votes then it's in THEIR self-interest to work on implementing this reform.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 02:42 PM

3. not sure how it will work in ME

Can they pass it to apply to federal elections or is it just state/local ones?

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 02:44 PM

4. I can't see any problems with the EC nt

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 02:44 PM

5. The intent of the Referendum was to apply to Federal offices as well.

The Constitution does not specify a mechanism for how Federal Elections are held.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 03:19 PM

9. why would they not be allies?

"That said, I'm not clear why the Greens should be our natural allies."

So Bernie can declare him self to be a socialist... and he can caucus with the Dems, but a Green in Congress would not?

And would not a Green who voted for an eternal loser not want their vote to count for something? At least they'd know they had an out from our dysfunctional system and not be splitting the liberal left vote and throwing the election to a neanderthal.

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Response to eniwetok (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 03:12 PM

6. Nvm

 

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 03:14 PM

7. which means?

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Response to eniwetok (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 03:15 PM

8. nevermind

 

Retracting my post from before because it was wrong.

sorry

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