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Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:43 PM

 

Should Heitkamp and Manchin be primaried

They rarely vote with the party so I think we need someone to primary them. Unfortunately, this person will surely lose in a general to the republican but what good are these two "democrats" to us anyways

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Reply Should Heitkamp and Manchin be primaried (Original post)
Txbluedog Feb 2017 OP
TygrBright Feb 2017 #1
guillaumeb Feb 2017 #2
louis c Feb 2017 #3
BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #7
Jim Beard Feb 2017 #34
BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #37
yallerdawg Feb 2017 #4
Wellstone ruled Feb 2017 #5
NCTraveler Feb 2017 #6
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #9
NCTraveler Feb 2017 #12
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #20
NCTraveler Feb 2017 #21
k8conant Feb 2017 #31
NCTraveler Feb 2017 #32
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #8
Txbluedog Feb 2017 #10
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #11
FreeStateDemocrat Feb 2017 #13
etherealtruth Feb 2017 #14
BeckyDem Feb 2017 #15
Blue Idaho Feb 2017 #16
NCTraveler Feb 2017 #22
demmiblue Feb 2017 #35
BigDemVoter Feb 2017 #17
karynnj Feb 2017 #18
alarimer Feb 2017 #19
yeoman6987 Feb 2017 #29
alarimer Feb 2017 #39
DURHAM D Feb 2017 #23
delisen Feb 2017 #24
Gothmog Feb 2017 #25
jeanmarc Feb 2017 #26
mvd Feb 2017 #27
PatsFan87 Feb 2017 #28
Frances Feb 2017 #30
Blaukraut Feb 2017 #33
brooklynite Feb 2017 #36
JI7 Feb 2017 #38

Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:43 PM

1. Only if we want to lose those seats. n/t

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:44 PM

2. Given that they are in Red States,

what makes anyone think that a progressive Democrat would be elected?

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:44 PM

3. No

 

We have to live with Democratic caucus members who aren't 100%. The Dems lost those two states by 35% and 41%.

We don't want to be a permanent minority.

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Response to louis c (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:50 PM

7. +1!

I don't like either.

But what is needed is to strengthen Democratic party networks in states like these so that we can develop and nurture viable candidates first. Otherwise we lose these seats.

There's always too much putting the cart before the horse by people who don't understand how politics work in such states.

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 05:18 PM

34. I used to feel the other way but age has shifted my way towards.....

 

your way of thinking.

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Response to Jim Beard (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:31 AM

37. I like to think

that it is both age and wisdom, LOL!

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:48 PM

4. When we have 51 Democrats in the Senate...

and these two are 50 and 51, you'll understand what good they do us!

I had a Blue Dog House rep once, and the only damn Democratic vote he ever made was when he voted for Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker of the House.

That one vote cost him re-election.

I wish I had him back now.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:49 PM

5. Yes,

here is my take. If you have been following what is happening in the Cash Crop Grain Business,by this time next year,there will be some real Financial issues happening in the Dakota's as well as other Grain Growing States. Last week,China canceled some forward Contracts because of Trumps Tariff chatter. This week Mexico canceled Corn purchases.

Just the Start my friends.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:49 PM

6. I will almost guarantee they will have a primary opponent.

 

I keep hearing this as if these people go through their career without a primary opponent. He will most likely have a primary opponent. It's common.

Why do you think he won't have one and that this question needs to be asked?

In 2010 his primary opponent was Ken Heckler.

In 2012 his primay opponent was Sheirl Fletcher.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:52 PM

9. People can certainly primary them if they want

It will ultimately be up to the Democrats in their states to decide whether or not to replace them.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:55 PM

12. I added a bit to my post.

 

Sorry for doing so. I tried to do it quickly.

Hasn't Manchin been unsuccessfully primaried each time he has run for this seat?

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:04 PM

20. Unsure

Don't live in West Virginia, nor do I follow him much.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:14 PM

21. I think that seems to be the case of just about everybody who has an opinion here.

 

They don't know that he has had primary opponents and will have one again.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 05:09 PM

31. The third time's a charm!

We in West Virginia are considering whom to choose as our Democratic Senate Candidate in 2018.

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Response to k8conant (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 05:14 PM

32. Possibly. That's the beauty of elections.

 

I'm still not sure why the op simply thinks these elected officials go unopposed when easy to find facts show just the opposite.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:50 PM

8. No

Unless we have replacement candidates that can actually win in their respective states, which I'm guessing we don't. If we want to regain/expand our majority with a 50-State Strategy, we're going to have to accept that there are going to be a few Blue Dogs to have to deal with, at least until their states start moving in a more progressive direction. I'll take a Blue Dog Democrat voting with us most of the time vs. a Republican voting against us 100% of the time and giving them more power to enact their agenda/obstruct. We can't afford to be shortsighted.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:52 PM

10. As a "blue dog" myself

 

Thank you for the response, I was beginning to lose hope that we had any right of left democrats left

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:53 PM

11. no. it would be dumb to do so.

 

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:56 PM

13. NO, nothing to gain and much to lose.

 

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:57 PM

14. They definitely are not "great" Democrats

Given their districts, I would really be afraid that if weakened by a primary they will be replaced by GOOD republicans

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:58 PM

15. Yes and asap.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:58 PM

16. That is up to their home districts...

If they think they can do better -they should try.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:15 PM

22. The correct answer. nt.

 

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 05:21 PM

35. +1

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:00 PM

17. YES!!!!!! +100000000000000

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:00 PM

18. No. One vote on which they are good and important is to select majority leader

These are states we likely lose if we primary them. That means 2 more pickups are needed to get control back vs the number needed now.

That was the ONLY reason I thought it was good that swift boater Webb won in 2006. Without that win, we would not have controlled the Senate the next two years. That matters in stopping bad stuff, even if we have no power to do good stuff.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:01 PM

19. Pruitt is a piece of shit they are voting for him.

Making them equally despicable. So, yes, primary away. They have no conscience, no decency. They are out to save their political asses and nothing more. To hell with them.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:47 PM

29. GOP 54 then. We need to stop the repugs from getting 60 seats

 

Even if they vote the wrong time, having their seats helps with getting a majority and committee control. That is important. Plus if you want to impeach trump you need numbers.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:24 AM

39. It's disgusting. Fuck them.

It's just maddening because they vote with repugs most of the time, so why not have an actual Republicans. I hate DINOS even more than I hate Republicans. They are immoral, disgusting, slimy fuckers who have no courage of conviction. I will never, ever forgive them for anything and I hope they lose.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:15 PM

23. No.

Your first sentence is not true.

Heitkamp votes with Dems 9 out of 10 times and Manchin more than 7 out of 10 times.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:15 PM

24. A democrat who sometimes votes with the party is preferable to a Republican who never does. nt

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:38 PM

25. So we can lose these seats?

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:39 PM

26. Of course

They won't change their behavior if they're not primaried.

Fuck'em.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:42 PM

27. If there are good candidates, yes

I do not know what the situation is in those states. But we can't afford to lose the seats, as reprehensible as some of their votes are.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:45 PM

28. No.

We have to understand that conservative Dems are the only way we hold onto these seats in red states. If we're serious about getting the majority back, we need Heitkamp and Manchin. If we're talking about primarying people, let's look at some stooges in solid blue states.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:49 PM

30. No

No
We should go after republicans

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 05:16 PM

33. If they're still there when we have 52+ Senate seats, sure!

Until then, they're annoying, but useful idiots.

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 05:26 PM

36. Please define "rarely"...

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Response to Txbluedog (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:32 AM

38. people who talk about beating democrats in a primary rarely do much to help dems in the GE

 

in fact it's the total opposite.

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