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Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:48 AM

Trial Balloon for a Coup?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trying to analyze what the past 24h mean for us. We may have just seen the trial balloon for a coup.<a href="https://t.co/lSemGOzo7S">https://t.co/lSemGOzo7S</a></p>— (((Yonatan Zunger))) (@yonatanzunger) <a href="
">January 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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The theme of this morning’s news updates from Washington is additional clarity emerging, rather than meaningful changes in the field. But this clarity is enough to give us a sense of what we just saw happen, and why it happened the way it did.

I’ll separate what’s below into the raw news reports and analysis; you may also find these two pieces from yesterday (heavily referenced below) to be useful.

News Reports

(1) Priebus made two public statements today. One is that the ban on Muslims will no longer be applied to green card holders. Notably absent from his statement was anything about people with other types of visa (including long-term ones), or anything about the DHS’ power to unilaterally revoke green cards in bulk.

The other was that the omission of Jews from the statement for Holocaust Remembrance Day was deliberate and is not regretted.

A point of note here is that Priebus is the one making these statements, which is not normally the Chief of Staff’s job. I’ll come back to that below.

(2) Rudy Giuliani told Fox News that the intent of yesterday’s order was very much a ban on Muslims, described in those words, and he was among the people Trump asked how they could find a way to do this legally.

(3) CNN has a detailed story (heavily sourced) about the process by which this ban was created and announced. Notable in this is that the DHS’ lawyers objected to the order, specifically its exclusion of green card holders, as illegal, and also pressed for there to be a grace period so that people currently out of the country wouldn’t be stranded — and they were personally overruled by Bannon and Stephen Miller. Also notable is that career DHS staff, up to and including the head of Customs & Border Patrol, were kept entirely out of the loop until the order was signed.

(4) The Guardian is reporting (heavily sourced) that the “mass resignations” of nearly all senior staff at the State Department on Thursday were not, in fact, resignations, but a purge ordered by the White House. As the diagram below (by Emily Roslin v Praze) shows, this leaves almost nobody in the entire senior staff of the State Department at this point.

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flamingdem Jan 2017 OP
Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #1
flamingdem Jan 2017 #2
flamingdem Jan 2017 #3
riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #4
flamingdem Jan 2017 #5
riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #6
Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #12
ananda Jan 2017 #7
2naSalit Jan 2017 #8
randome Jan 2017 #9
flamingdem Jan 2017 #10
randome Jan 2017 #11
okieinpain Jan 2017 #13
Danascot Jan 2017 #14
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #15
flamingdem Jan 2017 #16
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #18
fescuerescue Jan 2017 #17
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #19
fescuerescue Jan 2017 #20
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #21

Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:53 AM

1. Where's the diagram?

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:54 AM

2. It didn't show up, did you see it before?

I couldn't see it displayed. It's very telling!!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:57 AM

3. Part II since I don't know how to correct the link to Medium

As the Guardian points out, this has an important and likely not accidental effect: it leaves the State Department entirely unstaffed during these critical first weeks, when orders like the Muslim ban (which they would normally resist) are coming down.

The article points out another point worth highlighting: “In the past, the state department has been asked to set up early foreign contacts for an incoming administration. This time however it has been bypassed, and Trump’s immediate circle of Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, son-in-law Jared Kushner and Reince Priebus are making their own calls.”

(5) On Inauguration Day, Trump apparently filed his candidacy for 2020. Beyond being unusual, this opens up the ability for him to start accepting “campaign contributions” right away. Given that a sizable fraction of the campaign funds from the previous cycle were paid directly to the Trump organization in exchange for building leases, etc., at inflated rates, you can assume that those campaign coffers are a mechanism by which US nationals can easily give cash bribes directly to Trump. Non-US nationals can, of course, continue to use Trump’s hotels and other businesses as a way to funnel money to him.

(6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.

Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”

Conclusive? No. But it raises some very interesting questions for journalists to investigate.
What does this all mean?

I see a few key patterns here. First, the decision to first block, and then allow, green card holders was meant to create chaos and pull out opposition; they never intended to hold it for too long. It wouldn’t surprise me if the goal is to create “resistance fatigue,” to get Americans to the point where they’re more likely to say “Oh, another protest? Don’t you guys ever stop?” relatively quickly.

However, the conspicuous absence of provisions preventing them from executing any of the “next steps” I outlined yesterday, such as bulk revocation of visas (including green cards) from nationals of various countries, and then pursuing them using mechanisms being set up for Latinos, highlights that this does not mean any sort of backing down on the part of the regime.

Note also the most frightening escalation last night was that the DHS made it fairly clear that they did not feel bound to obey any court orders. CBP continued to deny all access to counsel, detain people, and deport them in direct contravention to the court’s order, citing “upper management,” and the DHS made a formal (but confusing) statement that they would continue to follow the President’s orders. (See my updates from yesterday, and the various links there, for details) Significant in today’s updates is any lack of suggestion that the courts’ authority played a role in the decision.

That is to say, the administration is testing the extent to which the DHS (and other executive agencies) can act and ignore orders from the other branches of government. This is as serious as it can possibly get: all of the arguments about whether order X or Y is unconstitutional mean nothing if elements of the government are executing them and the courts are being ignored.

Yesterday was the trial balloon for a coup d’état against the United States. It gave them useful information.

A second major theme is watching the set of people involved. There appears to be a very tight “inner circle,” containing at least Trump, Bannon, Miller, Priebus, Kushner, and possibly Flynn, which is making all of the decisions. Other departments and appointees have been deliberately hobbled, with key orders announced to them only after the fact, staff gutted, and so on. Yesterday’s reorganization of the National Security Council mirrors this: Bannon and Priebus now have permanent seats on the Principals’ Committee; the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have both been demoted to only attending meetings where they are told that their expertise is relevant; the Secretary of Energy and the US representative to the UN were kicked off the committee altogether (in defiance of the authorizing statute, incidentally).

I am reminded of Trump’s continued operation of a private personal security force, and his deep rift with the intelligence community. Last Sunday, Kellyanne Conway (likely another member of the inner circle) said that “It’s really time for [Trump] to put in his own security and intelligence community,” and this seems likely to be the case.

As per my analysis yesterday, Trump is likely to want his own intelligence service disjoint from existing ones and reporting directly to him; given the current staffing and roles of his inner circle, Bannon is the natural choice for them to report through. (Having neither a large existing staff, nor any Congressional or Constitutional restrictions on his role as most other Cabinet-level appointees do) Keith Schiller would continue to run the personal security force, which would take over an increasing fraction of the Secret Service’s job.

Especially if combined with the DHS and the FBI, which appear to have remained loyal to the President throughout the recent transition, this creates the armature of a shadow government: intelligence and police services which are not accountable through any of the normal means, answerable only to the President.

(Note, incidentally, that the DHS already has police authority within 100 miles of any border of the US; since that includes coastlines, this area includes over 60% of Americans, and eleven entire states. They also have a standing force of over 45,000 officers, and just received authorization to hire 15,000 more on Wednesday.)

The third theme is money. Trump’s decision to keep all his businesses (not bothering with any blind trusts or the like), and his fairly open diversion of campaign funds, made it fairly clear from the beginning that he was seeing this as a way to become rich in the way that only dedicated kleptocrats can, and this week’s updates definitely tally with that. Kushner looks increasingly likely to be the money-man, acting as the liaison between piles of cash and the president.

This gives us a pretty good guess as to what the exit strategy is: become tremendously, and untraceably, rich, by looting any coffers that come within reach.

Combining all of these facts, we have a fairly clear picture in play.

Trump was, indeed, perfectly honest during the campaign; he intends to do everything he said, and more. This should not be reassuring to you.
The regime’s main organizational goal right now is to transfer all effective power to a tight inner circle, eliminating any possible checks from either the Federal bureaucracy, Congress, or the Courts. Departments are being reorganized or purged to effect this.
The inner circle is actively probing the means by which they can seize unchallenged power; yesterday’s moves should be read as the first part of that.
The aims of crushing various groups — Muslims, Latinos, the black and trans communities, academics, the press — are very much primary aims of the regime, and are likely to be acted on with much greater speed than was earlier suspected. The secondary aim of personal enrichment is also very much in play, and clever people will find ways to play these two goals off each other.

If you’re looking for estimates of what this means for the future, I’ll refer you back to yesterday’s post on what “things going wrong” can look like. Fair warning: I stuffed that post with pictures of cute animals for a reason.

Note: If you want the full feed of what I write, follow me at google.com/+YonatanZunger and @YonatanZunger on Twitter. There’s too much to put on Medium!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:59 AM

4. Take out the @ sign

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:03 PM

5. Do you know how to fix the image at the bottom of the URL?

trying to figure out how to display that image - I took the @ out but it didn't work

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:16 PM

6. No, sadly I'm not that tech savvy lol! nt

 

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:59 PM

12. Item 6 is impeachable if true.

Please, investigative journalists...look into this!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:18 PM

7. I see it as the fait accompli of a coup

that has already happened.

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Response to ananda (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:03 PM

8. Same here.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:14 PM

9. They are as incompetent at a coup as they are at everything else.

 

A 'real' coup doesn't rely on 'trial balloons' to see if it gains acceptance. Trump's bluster in the face of incompetence draws similar 'talent' toward him. Together they equal nothing that can do anything to us beyond creating more bubbles of incompetence that will need to be cleaned up.

They have always been failures and they will leave the Executive Office as failures.
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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:47 PM

10. I want to go with what you're saying

but I see they are getting a lot of what they want - and there are some brains out there who will chime in.

What Bannon did to institutions already is quite shocking and portends an attempt for near total control

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:56 PM

11. Total control is what they want but I don't see them getting anything like that.

 

Just like the GOP -after 7 years- still can't take away people's health insurance.
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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:04 PM

13. great post n/t.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:35 PM

14. Excellent, thank you.

It all makes a lot of sense. We need to ride herd on our reps & senators to loudly oppose everything Trump does and we need to show up to protest at every opportunity.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:28 AM

15. This story has been posted at least 5 times in the last 24 hrs and has been largely ignored here.

I only carefully read it myself after my nephew tweeted a link, having already taken a look when a DUer posted it. There's just so much happening, it's difficult to keep up, but I believe this piece and the previous related articles linked within seriously deserve our attention.

Here's the link again. I hope more DUers will check it out and let us know what they think about it.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:22 AM

16. some tidbits that are worth investigation:

(5) On Inauguration Day, Trump apparently filed his candidacy for 2020. Beyond being unusual, this opens up the ability for him to start accepting “campaign contributions” right away. Given that a sizable fraction of the campaign funds from the previous cycle were paid directly to the Trump organization in exchange for building leases, etc., at inflated rates, you can assume that those campaign coffers are a mechanism by which US nationals can easily give cash bribes directly to Trump. Non-US nationals can, of course, continue to use Trump’s hotels and other businesses as a way to funnel money to him.

(6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.

Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”

Conclusive? No. But it raises some very interesting questions for journalists to investigate.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:49 AM

18. So much there there. I mean, in the article, and in the issues referenced,

iykwim. That was the first place that gave me a concise, clear explanation of what the campaign registration means.

And the linked piece, What “Things Going Wrong” Can Look Like, is so awfully feasible and enlightening about what the cabal is doing and why.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:35 AM

17. Why would one hold a coup when they already the leader of the country?

Just don't follow

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:01 PM

19. Did you read the article?

That might help you follow.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 31, 2017, 08:49 PM

20. yes Just doesn't make sense

Never in the history of coups, has their been a trial run, and conducted by the existing President/King/Monarch etc.

In modern times, coups are something you read about in the morning, or find out because of gunshots on your front lawn. They are conducted with speed and secrecy or they fail.

The whole idea of a trial balloon coup is a bit silly.



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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 31, 2017, 08:51 PM

21. So, the article didn't make any sense whatsoever, or you're just stuck on the fact

that maybe the title could have been more apropos?

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