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Growing up in the rural south and having lived in some fairly diverse places in my adult life has afforded me the benefit of making friends across all cultural and political backgrounds. I readily admit that I'm a Facebook junkie and I am a rabid college football fan and frequent a site dedicated to my favorite college team that also has a pretty broad sports discussion board. Here's what I've noticed going back to before the election but even more so since the inauguration.
1). There is nothing that Donald Trump will say or do that will offend or turn his most ardent supporters. The true believers will twist themselves into pretzels to go out of their way in support of him. "Pussy grabbing" didn't matter to them, it was brushed off as no big deal. Every move he's making since becoming president is viewed through the lens of their Obama hatred. They aren't appalled at the executive orders, they are applauding them.
2). They have nothing but disdain, disgust, and a total misunderstanding for the Women's marches. They see this as the "typical know it all liberal" railing against what they disapprove of. SJW's who are viewed as hypocrites and elitist.
3). Attacking Trump only emboldens them. They will stand up to any real or imagined assault on their "Dear Leader" because they view themselves as possessing a more reasoned and, in many cases, "Christian" view of the world.
We will not change these people. The true believers will always be so. That doesn't mean that we give up our opposition to tyranny. We press on and make our case to the great mass of our country who are not as politically in tune and who will listen to reason when it is presented. We must fight for our values, because it is clear the right would like nothing more than to roll back any and every progressive accomplishment from the last 70 years. We have a long road ahead of us. I don't think this fight will be easy but I do think that if we can focus our energy on clear goals of opposition and start by making changes in our local communities, we can succeed.
For me, I don't go to my sports board as much anymore. I just can't handle seeing so much hatred and bigotry spewed as if it's Gods Word because they speak it from the right. Likewise, I've started unfollowing feeds of "friends" who post the most vile and hateful Trump posts on FB. I've felt as demoralized as many of you have. We are watching the active dismantling of our country. Now is the time for action. Let us work together to find ways to build an opposition that cannot be denied.
Warpy
(111,175 posts)I grew up in the south and part of the midwest, also, and I know most of these cretins have a pathological horror of being told what to do by anybody who's not giving them a paycheck for it.
I've only had occasion to use it twice here in this true blue state and both times, the target looked like I'd dumped a bucket of ice water mixed with chum over his head, he just couldn't process it correctly.
He will when he thinks about it later.
Docreed2003
(16,852 posts)And then they turn around and project that onto us! We are elitist and out of touch and libtards and SJWs and gay lovers....my response is this: what is so wrong with social justice? Why should I not stand up for my beloved LGBT friends? I'm educated, yes, but I guarantee I know more about hard farm living than most of these crackpots!
Warpy
(111,175 posts)You can't. You have to hit them on a visceral level.
Luntz knows that, it's why the Republicans were so successful at energizing the booboisie.
True Dough
(17,258 posts)I used to frequent a couple sports boards but ran into a lot of narrow-minded bigots who were given too much leeway to spew their hatred. Drove me nuts!
You didn't mention who your college football team is, by the way.
Docreed2003
(16,852 posts)But since you asked, I'm a huge LSU fan
True Dough
(17,258 posts)They won the Citrus Bowl.
But you would have had a BIGLY winner if you were cheering for the Tigers from Clemson!
Docreed2003
(16,852 posts)I was dancing to the "Tiger Rag" the night that they brought down Bama though. Clemson and LSU seem to share some common ground when it comes to some of our traditions.
Skittles
(153,122 posts)we need to work on the people who are failing to vote
Docreed2003
(16,852 posts)Trying to reach out to many of these folks is a fruitless effort. We need to focus our energies where the message will resonate.
Skittles
(153,122 posts)I do believe that anyone who would vote for a vile, racist pervert to be president of the United States is beyond reason
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)Docreed2003
(16,852 posts)LunaSea
(2,892 posts)I also grew up in the deepest south (urban, not rural) and witnessed more than my share of ugly acts and attitudes, but there seems to be a more virulent strain of narrow-minded, self righteousness growing. (and not just in the south)
It's devoured several family members with whom I used to be able to engage in some form of limited conversation about political topics. Now I can be completely dismissed with statements like "If you vote for a Democrat, you're in league with the devil".
Reason fails, facts do not matter anymore. Some twisted flavor of "christianity" justifies their thinking no matter how inhumane.
Right wing media is just the tip of the iceberg. It's been fomenting in too many churches for some time, and social media is providing the perfect shell for the confirmation bias bubble to thicken to rock-hard impenetrability.
Consider yourself lucky.
These are people I love.
I still have to go down and visit with them.
LunaSea
(2,892 posts)On Sunday and Monday, we surveyed 1,388 American adults. We showed half of them a crowd picture from each inauguration (see below) and asked which was from Trumps inauguration and which was from Obamas.
If the past is any guide, we would expect that Trump supporters would be more likely to claim that the picture with the larger crowd was the one from Trumps inauguration, as doing so would express and reinforce their support for him. Further, as some respondents had never seen these photos, uncertainty regarding the answer would likely lead them to choose the photograph that would be most in line with their partisan loyalties.
For the other half, we asked a very simple question with one clearly correct answer: Which photo has more people? Some of these people probably understood that the image on the left was from Trumps inauguration and that the image on the right was from Obamas, but admitting that there were more people in the image on the right would mean they were acknowledging that more people attended Obamas inauguration.
Would some people be willing to make a clearly false statement when looking directly at photographic evidence simply to support the Trump administrations claims?
Yes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/25/we-asked-people-which-inauguration-crowd-was-bigger-heres-what-they-said/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.20edaed8bac1