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Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:28 PM

Here's what the inmates did for Sandusky on his first night in jail:

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By law, Sandusky, who is currently on suicide watch at the Centre County (Penn.) Correctional Facility, will be sentenced within 90 days of the verdict being rendered.  He’s facing a maximum of 442 years behind bars.

As for what he may be facing once he’s actually behind bars?  If his first night in jail is any indication…

As soon as the lights went out at night, Sandusky’s fellow inmates at the Centre County Correctional Facility serenaded him with a chorus from Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”:

“Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone!”

For those seeking real-world justice, it appears Bubba has things well in hand.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/24/juror-on-sanudsky-victims-they-were-honestly-telling-us-the-truth/

Ha!
Inmates don't like child molesters.


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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:36 PM

1. Wow! I'm surprised a prison population would be familiar with that song.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:39 PM

2. There are lots of musically literate, creative, and talented people in prisons

 

I own some very fine recordings of blues that were made in a California prison using improvised technology, simple instruments, and good singing.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:04 PM

5. Yup.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:06 PM

58. Among 2.5 million people in prisons

there are bound to be some creative and talented people.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:40 PM

3. Of course, if those prisoners were victims of our draconian drug laws,

maybe they would be familiar with Another Brick in the Wall.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:49 PM

4. You are right on, sadbear.

 

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Response to sadbear (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:55 PM

88. as Cenk would say......Of courrrrrse!

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:22 PM

7. I'm not. They'd have to be from another planet to NOT be familiar with that song. It's an anthem.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:29 PM

9. Why does that surprise you?

I worked in a prison for a year back in the '80s and I knew many highly creative and musically talented inmates. Just because they had drug or alcohol issues and got themselves into some seriously bad situations doesn't mean that they don't have talent or music appreciation.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:36 PM

11. That song wasn't so old back in the 80's.

It's pushing 35 years old today. But maybe I'm wrong to assume that most prison populations are generally made up of men 18-30 years old (which would make the song older than them.) I was not making a statement about their musical talent or music appreciation, just their familiarity with a song older than them.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:40 PM

15. But it's kind of a classic, you've got to admit.

It's not like the Incredible String Band or something.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:49 PM

17. Absolutely it's a classic.

I would say it's Floyd's signature song. While I was surprised, I was thrilled that it's still relevant to a younger generation.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:54 PM

19. On that we agree.

It's a great song.


Kids can surprise you sometimes with what catches their fancy musically. My daughter, who is 26 now, went through a phase in her teenage years when she was absolutely in love with Jim Morrison and The Doors, to the point where she had every album they made, bootlegs, posters, the whole nine. She also went through a phase of '80s music, Boy George and whatnot. And she knows all the songs I grew up with in the late '50s and early '60s. Some kids just take an interest in music, and I would assume that even includes "bad" kids who get in trouble.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:10 PM

28. I am only 34 and have seen Roger Waters in concert four times

And there are always many people younger than me in the audience, his shows have audiences ranging in age from teenagers to senior citizens. Pink Floyd is one band that is very popular among nearly all age groups, it is truly timeless music.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:56 PM

89. kind of? Who doesn't know it by heart?

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:23 AM

105. Well you know all the words and you sung all the notes,

but you never quite learned the song, she sung.

I can tell by the sadness in your eyes that you never quite learned the song.



(I'm the original discriminating buffalo man
and I'll do what's wrong as long as I can. )

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Response to sadbear (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:25 PM

69. sadbear, it is an old song but they keep updating it. Here's what they made have heard.



The clothing and scenes, plus a floating balloon are modern. We don't really know what those prisoners listen to, but I've never forgotten the original. We're all from different parts of the country, so we don't know the references here. I didn't intend for my earlier comment to sound snarky to you, as I didn't mean it that way.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:54 PM

74. Generational barriers are coming down


where music is concerned. That's my perception. Unless you're talking about Justin Beiber and bands marketed to females of a certain age.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #74)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:01 PM

76. It must be uni-dirctional

because the generational barrier between me and their music remains rock solid.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:26 PM

79. it's one of the few songs they keep playing on classic rock stations

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Response to sadbear (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:03 PM

92. My teenage kids know the song.

And not from me. I don't know anyone who doesn't know the song.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:37 PM

12. I'd be very surprised if they weren't familiar with it.

They weren't always in prison, you know...

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:39 PM

14. This is the Centre County jail...the population

 

Is largely white and rural. They are probably more familiar with classic rock more than any other genre, except, perhaps, country.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:53 PM

18. Exactly. +infinity

Most jails and prisons today are populated by black males who have no friggin' idea who or "what" Pink Floyd is. Interesting about this particular facility.

I remember when the album came out (I was a freshman in college) and having gone to a school with 25,000 whites and 400 blacks, you eventually get steeped in what is the latest (including Springsteen, Van Halen, Pink Floyd, etc). But much of the rest of the AA populace? Oh hell no they don't listen to that!

If anything, the crossover "prison" song that seemed to reach folks was MJ's "They Don't Really Care About Us" because there's a "prison" version of the video.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:56 PM

51. huh??

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:11 PM

62. Btw, he is NOT in prison yet, he's at the 'jail' n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #62)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:44 PM

72. An important distinction. But his popularity is not what it once was.

Last edited Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:25 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm sure he'll end up somewhere appropriate to his age, but don't mind him getting to hear a lullabye as there was no violence involved.

We don't know if he understood what the song was about so it might not ring a bell. Or he may just be batshit crazy and nothing matters to him.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #72)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:30 PM

82. Very old? EXCUUSSSEEE ME!

I'm 64 and know that song - I sold that album in a record store in Tunbridge Wells, Kent when it came out.

So stop with the fucking "He's very old" shit, thank you!

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #82)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:26 PM

94. I'm a senior. No one is talking about you or seniors personally.

So stop with the fucking "He's very old" shit, thank you!

I will edit my comment since I do not talk with people who curse in their posts to me.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:54 PM

87. maybe marijuana users?

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Response to sadbear (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:43 AM

112. I'm suprised sad bears know how to use the Intertubes

 

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:21 PM

6. A very creative response. For those unfamiliar with it:



Pink Floyd -- Another Brick In the Wall

We don't need no education.
We don't need no thought control.
No dark sarcasm in the classroom.
Teacher, leave those kids alone.

Hey, Teacher, leave those kids alone!

All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

We don't need no education.
We don't need no thought control.
No dark sarcasm in the classroom.
Teachers, leave those kids alone.

Hey, Teacher, leave those kids alone!

All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall...


First video link I found had over 6 million views. This one had over 8 million. There are dozens of these around. Anyone who has been through the meat grinder and subjected to sadistic teachers, knows the song word for word. EOM.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:24 PM

8. ...

 

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:49 PM

49. I always loved that song!!!

Great video and thanks for posting. Brings back some memories.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:46 AM

117. I'm a big fan of 'dark sarcasm in the classroom,' fwiw. I prefer

 

"Wish You Were Here":

And did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #117)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:09 PM

120. The dark sarcasm by the teachers was about crushing youthful creativity. I prefer this cage song:



The world is a vampire, sent to drain
Secret destroyers, hold you up to the flames
And what do I get, for my pain?
Betrayed desires, and a piece of the game

Even though I know - I suppose I'll show
All my cool and cold - like old Job

Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Then someone will say what is lost can never be saved
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage

Now I'm naked, nothing but an animal
But can you fake it, for just one more show?
And what do you want?
I want change
And what have you got, when you feel the same?

Even though I know - I suppose I'll show
All my cool and cold - like old Job

Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Then someone will say what is lost can never be saved
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage

Tell me I'm the only one
Tell me there's no other one
Jesus was the only son, yeah.
Tell me I'm the chosen one
Jesus was the only son for you

Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
And someone will say what is lost can never be saved
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage

Despite all my rage am I still just a rat in a-
Despite all my rage am I still just a rat in a-
Despite all my rage am I still just a rat in a cage

Tell me I'm the only one
Tell me there's no other one
Jesus was the only son for you
(x4)

And I still believe that I cannot be saved


Of course, it's very dramatic to think in this way, a fulfillment of another line of artistic creation to add depth to our lives here online. But I'd have to say, we have not yet begun to suffer.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #120)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:17 PM

123. Great song. Speaking of 'Cage,' have you heard this song by the band Cage the Elephant?

 

Aint No Rest for the Wicked

I was walking down the street
When out the corner of my eye,
I saw a pretty little thing approaching me.
She said I never seen a man,
Who looks so all alone,
Could you use a little company?
If you could pay the right price,
Your evening will be nice,
Or you can go and send me on my way,
I said you're such a sweet young thing,
Why'd you do this to yourself?
She looked at me and this is what she said.

Oh, there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Money don't grow on trees,
I got bills to pay,
I got mouths to feed,
There ain't nothing in this world for free.
I know I can't slow down,
I can't hold back
Though you know I wish I could,
Oh no there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Until we close our eyes for good.

Not even 15 minutes later,
I'm still walking down the street,
When I saw the shadow of a man creep out of sight,
And then he swept up from behind,
Put a gun up to my head,
He made it clear he wasn't looking for a fight,
He said give me all you've got,
I want your money not your life,
If you try to make a move I won't think twice,
I told him you can have my cash,
But first you know I've got to ask,
What made you want to live this kind of life?

He said there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Money don't grow on trees,
I got bills to pay
I got mouths to feed
Ain't nothing in this world for free.
I know I can't slow down,
I can't hold back
Though you know I wish I could
Oh no there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Until we close our eyes for good.

Now a couple hours past,
And I was sitting in my house,
The day was winding down and coming to an end,
So I turned on the TV,
And flipped it over to the news,
And what I saw I almost couldn't comprehend,
I saw a preacher man in cuffs
Taking money from the church,
He stuffed his bank account with righteous dollar bills
But even still I can't say much
Because I know we're all the same,
Oh yes we all seek out to satisfy those thrills.

You know there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Money don't grow on trees,
We got bills to pay
We got mouths to feed
Ain't nothing in this world for free.
Oh no
We can't slow down,
We can't hold back
Though you know we wish we could.
You know there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Until we close our eyes for good.

***************

As something of a songwriter myself, I would kill to have coined the phrase 'righteous dollar bills' in a verse about a preacher

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:29 PM

10. That may be the best night he'll spend in the pokey.

He is in for one helluva prison term.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:37 PM

13. Who is Bubba?

 

What is Bubba going to do?

How is what Bubba is going to do "real world justice?" Is it distinct from the justice of the sentence itself? How so?

I'm having trouble understanding your post. Could you explain it, please?

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:47 PM

16. Bubba was referenced in the linked article

That's why the name was included in the OP.

Edit to add quote from the article: "For those seeking real-world justice, it appears Bubba has things well in hand."

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Response to Stargazer09 (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:59 PM

22. Prison violence, let alone prison rape, isn't justice. n/t

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:03 PM

24. Never said it was

Just answering the "Bubba" question.

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Response to Stargazer09 (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:06 PM

25. I realize that. I should have answered the OP directly, sorry. n/t

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:07 PM

26. No problem!

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Response to Stargazer09 (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:10 PM

29. I'm still confused...who is Bubba supposed to be in the linked article?

 

How is it that whoever Bubba might be, he has things "well in hand?"

Why are Bubba's actions considered to be "real world justice?"

I'm mystified by all this. Saying that Bubba appeared in the linked article doesn't explain who this Bubba is, what it might all mean, and why the OP seems supportive (Ha!) of whatever Bubba's activities might be. Could you be more explicit on this point for me?

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:01 PM

54. Bubba is the guy who butt-fucks you in prison.

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Response to dogknob (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 10:25 PM

97. I believe you mean rape, which is a violent crime, not "butt-fuck"

Which is a type of sexual intercourse.

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Response to Stargazer09 (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:04 PM

57. There are some...

 

who think prison rape is funny. I do not. I, also, will shed no tears for this man.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:54 PM

20. I think she meant prison rape?

I hope not.

I am very much against prison rape no matter how much one deserves it. Many times prisoners don't deserve it. It should never be supported ever.

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Response to Bryn (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:10 PM

27. I said nothing about prison rape.

I said that Bubba don't like child molesters in reference to the song. You took that last leap all by yourself.



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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:11 PM

30. Who is Bubba? What does Bubba do?

 

Please explain.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:17 PM

33. Bubba is just the

generic name for an inmate. The author of the article used it.

What Bubba does is up to Bubba. The first example is that goodnight serenade. That was what I was referring to in my post.

After that, you will have to ask Bubba.



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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:27 PM

39. Oh, so Bubba sings and stuff like that

 

I guess that's somewhat uncomfortable to be judged negatively even by fellow convicts. Some other people in this thread seem to believe that this Bubba would be perpetrating physical and sexual violence against particular unfavored inmates, which is, of course, beyond the pale of any acceptable behavior, and to be condemned by any decent person. They also seemed to suggest that such a violent rapist would be your hero, meting out some weird justice through sexual violence. I'm glad it's only singing and such that you seem to be supporting and not anything so utterly devoid of morals and decency as sexual violence used as punishment. Because that would be horrible beyond measure. Thanks for putting my mind at ease on that point. I would have been shocked to see anyone on these boards implicitly or explicitly supporting such a thing.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:36 PM

41. Is this long form sarcasm?

I didn't know Bubba was a term used for prison rapist. I never heard it used like that, and I don't know how I missed it all these years.

As for Jerry, I hope he never gets another decent night's sleep. If he jumps at every noise he hears for the rest of his days, that suits me. I guess I'm not a decent person. So sue me.



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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:42 PM

44. Sarcasm? Dear me, no...

 

Why would anyone be so dishonest as to not come out and say exactly what they mean on these boards?

In any case, I'm glad that the people saying you would support sexual violence as punishment are wrong wrong wrong! That's a relief. I found the claim outlandish, and I'm glad you've put it to rest.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:43 PM

45. Bless your heart! nt

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:45 PM

46. Mmmm hmmm

 

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:47 PM

48. LOL!

Speaking of code.....


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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:50 PM

50. Oh, don't worry

 

I know what "bless your heart" means in Southern dialect.

I'm not the person on this thread pretending not to understand a common expression once they've been shamed into utterly retracting their initial point.

Have a good one.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:10 PM

61. I know you did once you posted

Hmmmm mmmm.

I changed the term Bubba because I didn't know what it meant.

Don't call me a liar to my face or sideways. I am not and was not pretending anything. If I was referring to rape, I would have let the term Bubba stand.

It may come as a surprise, the meaning of any 'common term' can be missed no matter how widely it has been seen by some.



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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #61)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:28 PM

81. I always associate Bubba with Bill Clinton

 

and I don't know why.

I probably should know why, if not for CRS syndrome,
which excuses almost everything nowadays.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #81)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 03:50 AM

139. I always thought the word was a nickname, meaning "Brother," in many southern

communities. Clinton does evoke "Bubba"-- particularly the candidate Clinton in the Bush v. Clinton race.

I knew a few "Bubbas" during my time in the south. That may have not been their given names, but that's what everyone called them. No one batted an eye or suggested they were prison rapists.

bub·ba/ˈbəbə/
Noun:
Used as an informal or affectionate form of address to a brother.
derogatory. A working-class white male of the rural South.


https://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=bubba+definition

This whole "prison" reference to "Bubba" is complete news to me. I am not so obtuse that I have not heard the jokes in poor taste from the comedians about rape in prison, but I never knew that "Bubba" was the name given to the person responsible for the act.

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Response to MADem (Reply #139)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 12:46 PM

140. it must be this part that's been co-opted

 

derogatory. A working-class white male of the rural South.
implying those are the type to be rapists in prisons. (Of which
I know nothing and have no opinion except nobody deserves
to be raped.)

But yeah.. don't settle for insulting insinuations from others, ever.

edit to add, I think that last part was meant for are_grits_groceries
who was being insinuatingly insulted for not knowing "bubba"

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #140)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:25 PM

142. When used as a put-down, it's usually by the wealthier classes who consider the working class

lacking in couth, taste, style, city ways, or what-have-you.

It's part of why Bill Clinton, not rich, certainly, the son of a momma who never shied away from bright clothing and makeup and had a rich love life and liked to bet on the ponies; who lived in a trailer for a brief time, who had his own issues with his "hard dog to keep on the porch" roving eye, was called "Bubba" scornfully by the GOP in an effort to denigrate him for his heritage...but the real working class "Bubbas" embraced the guy, rejected the scorn, co-opted the nickname that they used lovingly in daily life, neutralized the GOP mockery, and flipped it to the other meaning--Bill Clinton, mah bruddah!

I am certainly no expert on prison culture having never gone to jail or having had anyone terribly close to me end up in the pokey, either, I am also no expert on southern culture, despite having lived south of the Mason-Dixon a few times in my life, but I must say, I have never heard that "Bubba" nickname applied in that fashion, as a "nickname" for a person who engages in prison assault. The late-night comedians and the tasteless frat boy films, when they delve into that unsavory territory, usually portray such an individual as an ugly, steroidal, unintelligent, brutal and glaring giant named "Tiny," or something "obviously ironic" like that.

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Response to MADem (Reply #142)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:35 PM

144. thanks for an interesting post

 

I never knew that about Clinton/Bubba but it's a nice story.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:47 AM

109. bubba

 

takes whatever the fuck he wants.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:19 PM

34. I will take you at your word that you did not mean rape

Just be aware that references to Bubba in prison has long been a code word for prison rape, I have heard it many times in which it was a very clear reference to Bubba being a rapist. The person you responded to did not make a leap in assuming you meant rape, they were basing their assumption on the long history of the use of the name Bubba to describe a prison rapist. I trust you when you say you did not mean it that way but you may want to edit your post to choose your words better so there is no more confusion as to what you actually did mean.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:24 PM

37. I had never heard that.

I have never run up on that term used in that way, and how I missed it is beyond me. I certainly haven't confined my reading to Nancy Drew and my viewing to Green Acres and G movies.
I edited my post.
Thanks.


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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:38 PM

42. Thanks, I have made similar mistakes before

Some offensive phrases become used so often that people stop realizing what they mean, I have said things before that had homophobic origins without even realizing they were homophobic for example. It is an easy mistake to make when phrases become so common that people start using them without realizing what they mean, you corrected your mistake and that is all that matters.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:51 PM

73. I'm familiar with it as used in combination with prison, but it also has a long connotation with...

Being of simple and clumsy, but not necessarily a bad person.

But in this context, with prison involved, we really don't wanna go there if it can be helped.

I don't think that anyone has actually named their son Bubba on their birth certificates.

Or at least I hope not.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:57 PM

52. It's well known that "Bubba" means prison rape.

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Response to Bryn (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:15 PM

66. It wasn't well known to me.

You can believe that or not. If I meant for it to be prison rape, I would let the term stand once I did know.
Don't call me a liar to my face or sideways.



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Response to Bryn (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:34 PM

83. Not well known to me either.

So lighten up there, Francis.

You seem to be over analyzing.

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Response to Bryn (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:03 PM

90. I never knew that

I do now.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #90)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:02 PM

134. I've never known "Bubba" to have a connotation with prison rape, either.

In fact, my Penobscot brother calls me "Bubba" quite often, and I know he's not accusing me of being a prison rapist, since I've never done time.

My understanding of "Bubba" is that it is used in a number of different contexts to mean different things. Of course, those who only know it to reference prison rapists are going to immediately mount a moral high horse when they see it used.

In any event, child molesters are always held apart from the general prison population, because it became noticeable that if integrated, they generally do not survive very long. Taking "Bubba" to mean "general inmate," the statement "Bubba doesn't like child molesters" is quite true. I would imagine it is true even if "Bubba" is interpreted to mean "Prison rapist." The fact is, the general population inside or outside doesn't much like child molesters.

The "real world justice" these Bubbas will presumably mete out, given the fact that molesters are held outside the general population, is therefore that of intimidation and fear. They will do what they can to make Inmate Sandusky's stay in prison uncomfortable, but any form of physical violence is ruled out by his inaccessibility.

-- Mal

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Response to Bryn (Reply #52)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:28 PM

143. As I said upthread, news to me too--I thought it was the steroidal giant named "Tiny" who got that

designation...at least that's how all the (generally tasteless) "buddy" comedies portray that kind of scenario.

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Response to Bryn (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:19 PM

67. No one 'deserves' to be raped

Not even a rapist. It's time (past time) to never again consider prison rape deserved, funny, or justice.

Tho' I harbor not-so-spiritual exceptions for child rapists in my worst moments, I must confess.

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Response to Bryn (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:57 PM

103. ánd those who

 

Condone such acts are no different. And such axts are hardley condusivd to s safe environment...

As they say an eye for an eye makes everybody blind...

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Response to Bryn (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:10 PM

121. If you agree with the U.S. Constitution's strictures against

 

'cruel and unusual punishments,' then no one can ever 'deserve' rape.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:12 PM

31. "Bubba" is the hero of fans of prison rape. (n/t)

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Response to Iggo (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:13 PM

32. Whaaaat? That can't be right.

 

That's horrific. You can't be serious.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:24 PM

36. Wish I wasn't.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:23 PM

68. Nah. If someone mentions "Bubba" in an anticipatory way, that's what they're hoping for.

All sorts of indignation from them when called on it of course (just look at one of the subthreads on this post), but that's what they mean.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 10:16 PM

96. "Bubba" functions as a combination underclass agent of bourgeois vengeance and a classic...

 

scourge of God

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #96)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:45 PM

145. So you're averring that this mythical "Bubba" could just as easily beat a child molester with a lead

pipe, or make him do the chores assigned to Bubba, or steal his MAD MAGAZINE or take the dessert off his lunch tray--that he is a "generic" bully of child molesters, and the name is not a synonym for Prison Rapist? You might be on to something, here. I think you are.

In a contextual commentary, I can see where that would fit. I just can't believe, though, that "Bubba" is a Stand-In name for "Prison Rapist," like "Bozo" is a stand-in name for someone who is a clown.

I rather doubt a large percentage of this nation would persist in using the term as one of endearment directed at a family member, or someone who is regarded as just as close as a family member, if the name commonly meant someone who engages in sexual assault in a prison setting. It would be as absurd as calling a family member "Charlie Manson" or "Hillside Strangler!"

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:00 PM

119. There are some who actually think this is a good idea.

It is some people's twisted conception of "justice."

Honestly...thousands of years of human settlement and we've learned mostly nothing.

We prefer retribution and punishment when society has been wronged. In Sandusky's case, punishment is probably the only option available, but that doesn't mean it needs to be barbaric.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:19 PM

35. Is that YOUR definition?

Mine is that Bubba is a generic name for inmates. If there is another urban dictionary meaning then I am unaware of it. That was not my use of it.



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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:40 PM

43. No. It's one definition, and a widely known one at that.

There are people who aren't satisfied with just locking people up. Their fantasies are filled with extra-judicial "prison justice" -- torture, rape, murder -- meted out by random prisoners who these torture-porn fanatics have given the nickname "Bubba". ("Bubba will take care of him." "He won't be smiling when they throw him in a cell with Bubba." Etc.)

I wasn't talking about you at all. I was talking about the writer of the article.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:46 PM

47. Sorry too!

Missed that allusion all my life somehow.


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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:56 PM

21. Sounds like Sandusky might be falling down the stairs a lot.

And walking into doorjambs.


I don't endorse such accidents, but I will read about them with a smile on my face.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:11 PM

63. Agree!!

Seriously,why would anyone give a crap, about what happens to this monster?

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #63)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:53 PM

77. Because a civilized society does not torture, beat, rape, kill or otherwise abuse

 

the people it incarcerates.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #77)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 10:27 PM

98. Exactly

Inmates have a legal and moral right to a safe incarceration.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #98)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:56 PM

102. Oh, that's definately true

But I'm not going to shed a tear when the extra-legal process the inmates use goes to work on him.


Of course, the prison officials should try to protect him. And they should try to find out who beats him up, and punish the offender. But if the offender willingly takes his punishment in order to break Sandusky's face?

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #102)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:47 PM

129. I don't think they'd do much more to his face than nature is doing now:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jail-inmates-serenaded-sandusky-with-hey-teacher-leave-those-kids-alone-2012-6

He'll probably die a natural death soon. He has the look of a man with a serious heart condition. Too bad he wasted his youth and the years thereafter harming others for getting himself a cheap thrill. He will be paying for the extraordinary luxury of indulging his own lusts.

We can't asssume these crimes are not being committed as we type here. The abuse of children will not end with this one person, or just a few. A change of consciousness will be needed for that, but we as a world are struggling with reactionary forces that have increased, rather than decreased the crimes against children worldwide.

This ain't over. We are only getting a partial healing by this man being put away where he can't hurt anyone now.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #77)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:50 AM

113. I guess we shouldn't torture him, but a 45 to the side of the skull would be nice...

 

I've been thinking about the death penalty and believe it should now be reserved for the most heinous of crimes...


If somebody fucks/rapes 4 year old for example, there is really no reason to keep that person alive. Just a bullet or a drug cocktail. I was thinking about a two-strike rule just due to people being wrongly charged...not sure that we want to even allow or have a chance of a second victim though. Maybe only 1 strike in cases where DNA was used?


Over 7 Billion people in this World. There are some sick sheep out there that just need to be shot and buried in the back 40.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #113)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:11 AM

115. Yes because for sure the state would never misuse the authority

 

Granted it to just shoot people and bury them in the woods. What could possibly go wrong?

P.s. DNA does not prove guilt in many cases other than rape, it more typically establishes locality.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #115)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:33 AM

116. Well, then the two strike rule..

 

You get convicted twice of raping a baby, we really don't need that kind of scum among the living..



Of course I grew up on a farm so I knew why the chicken that kept pecking the eyes of the rest of the flock had to go into the stew pot LOL

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #77)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:26 PM

124. +1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely

 

needed saying.

In a way, it cheapens the suffering Sandusky's victims experience to have Sandusky himself become a victim of extra-judicial punishments, violence, and so on. Not that I expect that argument to get very far among the charnel house that DU has become recently.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:02 PM

23. What did Pink floyd and Dale Earnhardt have in common?

 

Their last hit was "The wall".

I know, an terrible old joke, but I just couldn't help myself...

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Response to Yavapai (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:30 PM

40. Well Pink Floyd did have The Final Cut which went Double Platinum

Granted it sold much less than some of their other albums, but a double platinum would be considered a hit by most standards even if it does pale in comprision to the 50 million they sold for Dark Side of the Moon. It was a good album too no matter what people say, it may not be their best but it was solid and had great songwriting.

On Edit: A Momentary Lapse of Reason and the Division Bell were also big hits but they were post Waters.

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Response to Yavapai (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:50 PM

131. That's evilly hilarious. Reminds me of my favorite rock-n-roll joke:

 

Q: What's the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scotsman?

A: Mick Jagger says, "Hey, you, get off of my cloud" but a Scotsman says, "Hey, McCloud, get off of my ewe."

N.B. I'm Scotch-Irish, so I think I'm allowed to tell that one

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:26 PM

38. years ago

I worked for a year or so as a Correctional Officer... I have seen what inmates do when someone charged with pedophilia comes in... it ain't pretty!

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:01 PM

55. And what do they do?

Prison "justice" makes me sick just thinking about it.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:59 PM

75. and what did you do

 

to stop it or prevent it?

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:59 PM

53. This OP causes so many emotions for me

My first thought was that, even in prison, the people there have a code of conduct that others understand - childhood is where so many people fall victim - whether it is to a pedophile or a parent addicted to drugs or a parent who beats a child or poverty -

but my second thought was that our justice system has spoken and Sandusky's punishment will be decided by those means.

but mostly I just wanted to cry to think that those prisoners had been children once and, even in their vengeance, once were children and could identify with those children Sandusky abused.

We live in a cruel world.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:02 PM

56. I hate Sandusky but the thought of him

Getting beat up everday or raped makes me feel sick. It's not what jail is about and it gives me absolutely no pleasure thinking about it.

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Response to Evoman (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:06 PM

59. I believe that

many prisoners (including Sandusky) should not sit in prison or jail at the tax payers expense... there are ways to keep him away from children and he should be under house arrest (at his own expense) with/monitors for the rest of his life...

our prison/corrections system is way out dated and inefficient

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #59)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:12 PM

64. You're kidding, I hope

Sandusky should rot in prison for the rest of his miserable life. To say he should only be on house arrest for the hideous crimes he committed, is beyond the pale.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #64)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:21 AM

104. House Arrest would be completely irresponsible

Given the nature of his crimes. I totally agree with you that he should rot in prison for the rest of his life.

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Response to Evoman (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:14 PM

65. I am indifferent to what happens to Sandusky.

He inflicted so much pain on the children he chose as victims, and ruined their lives. There's no way to know how many....

Whatever happens to him in jail has been his own making. I accept that.

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Response to Evoman (Reply #56)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:35 AM

111. I'm with you, Evoman

I even thought it was weird when the verdict came through and you saw videos of people cheering like their team won the Super Bowl. People were going crazy and it just seemed really odd to me.

Don't get me wrong; Sandusky deserves to go to jail and is a terrible person. However, I don't get how people can derive pleasure out of this. The blood lust sickens me sometimes. The man molested numerous children; there should be no cheering involved.

When I got a push alert on my phone of the verdict, there was no joy. I didn't start cheering; I thought to myself "the justice system worked this time; he got what he deserves." The cheering and happiness over a man going to jail for life doesn't make any sense to me.

But then again, I didn't get the people going crazy over Bin Laden's death either. I looked at that as more of a relief than a cause for celebration.

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Response to IndyPragmatist123 (Reply #111)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 03:56 PM

147. Well said Indy. Agreed 100% nt

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Response to Evoman (Reply #56)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:32 PM

138. Whatever happens to him happens.

Countless people will never lead a normal life thanks to him. The thought of him getting raped doesn't make me happy. But it doesn't make me sick either.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:27 PM

70. I predict real world justice will happen swiftly. He definitely deserves anything he gets.

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Response to Initech (Reply #70)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:30 PM

71. The deserves the justice The People have given him.

Our forefathers adopted the Eighth Amendment for a very good reason.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:15 PM

78. Why is Sandusky on suicide watch?

Is this routine for cases like this, or does it perhaps mean that Sandusky has indicated he feels suicidal? Google wasn't helpful.

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Response to Pool Hall Ace (Reply #78)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:46 PM

84. It doesn't take much to get rubber-roomed in jail.

I imagine Sandusky is going to have to be kept isolated from general population for his entire life-sentence to keep him from being raped.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #84)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:54 PM

132. Also, he looks very ill, from this picture in the link:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jail-inmates-serenaded-sandusky-with-hey-teacher-leave-those-kids-alone-2012-6

That is a very ill man, from his color, skin texture, eyes, etc. If we don't want to see the elderly, sick, disabled or otherwise vulnerable persons in our society tossed into a lion's den or to a wolf pack to feast upon, we'd better remember that what is done to one affects us all. He is still human, which is what galls us the most about this case, that he is one of us.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #84)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 03:58 PM

148. They have prisons with wings full of child molesters, rapists, etc. He could go to one of those.

I'm guessing they're lining up that sort of accommodation for him right now.

Prisoners have children, too. Prisoners have wives, girlfriends, loved ones who have been assaulted. Some of these prisoners, like anyone else, object to people who assault innocent people, particularly if they have a personal association with a person who has been victimized in that fashion.

I don't think all "retribution" this guy would have to worry about is rape. I believe prisoners can and do take other sorts of retributions when they believe someone has preyed on a helpless individual.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:26 PM

80. A totally made up story.

Jail officials have said Sanudsky is isolated from other jail inmates. Somebody trying to start a rumor on the internet and I guess they were successful. People should be above spreading that type of stuff on DU.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:50 PM

85. His "first night in jail" was last December.

 

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:54 PM

86. nice!!!

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:03 PM

91. He'll get protective custody.

 

He'll sit back with all the other Chesters and tell jerkoff stories in relative comfort. He'll not receive the justice he truly deserves.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:03 PM

93. I vote for this story being BS

 

Who else is with me?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #93)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 10:28 PM

99. Me

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Response to oberliner (Reply #93)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:27 PM

100. I am.

What...were the prisoners tweeting that they serenaded Sandusky? Or, are we to believe that one of the guards shared this little nugget with the press?

Post 60 above traces the story to daily-something-or-other-dot-com. Even without that, it sounded like total crap.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:45 PM

95. Prison rape is not justice for anyone

 

It always amazes me that the great self-righteous DU mob seems to love the idea, but then again it probably shouldn't.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #95)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:35 PM

101. I agree, but sandusky being sacred every night is justice!

 

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:25 AM

106. Some of you people seem to have some wierd fetishes yourself when it comes to stuff like this

 

maybe they'll beat him up next, shave his head? Save me your squeals that he is a Pedo, I know what he is. He had his trial, he is now in jail. Have a nice day weirdos. Pffft.

The dude is sick, and a criminal you freaks that feel this way.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:32 AM

107. "faces up to 442 years in jail"

Sounds about right...

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:41 AM

108. if he isn't segregated from general population

 

he will be gang raped repeatedly, beaten, and sexually brutalized in manifold, almost grisly ways.

anything he has will be taken from him.

in prison, there are "men" and "bitches."

one of the worst insults you can hurl at a fellow convict is to call him a "bitch" or a punk.

sandusky will no longer be a man in prison.

you may disagree with it, you might dislike it, you might think that it isn't justice.

but it will happen. it will happen often.

and sandusky deserves every second of it.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #108)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:20 AM

110. Why the hell do we have an Eighth Amendment?

Our forefathers would be aghast at what happens in our prisons today.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #110)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:08 AM

114. they did worse

 

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:51 AM

118. Sandusky DID face 'real world justice.' That's what the justice system is

 

What the article implies is that the brutal treatment that pedophiles experience in prison is 'real world justice.' It's not justice in any sense of the word. It's repulsive violence of the strong (often gang members) against the weak.

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Response to RZM (Reply #118)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:38 PM

126. No it's GREAT! We should cheer it on! Maybe they could put it on tv!

 

Do I need the fucking sarcasm smiley?

I especially like the "it's wrong but I won't shed any tears" crowd. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #126)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:48 PM

130. Absolutely. And another irony . . .

 

Many of the predators who victimize pedophiles don't stop at pedophiles. They are sociopaths and are looking to victimize anybody who is an easy mark. And a whole lot of these keyboard commandos who justify this stuff would themselves be easy marks if they found themselves in prison.

Once they were face to face with Bubba and his gang buddies, the might see the situation differently. The ultimate irony is that some of them would end up requesting protective custody where they would end up spending the rest of their sentence surrounded by . . . pedophiles. And they'd find that they would much rather do their time with them than with the violent gang members whose behavior they previously justified.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:12 PM

122. No comment (results of my Jury Alert):

 

At Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:39 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Here's what the inmates did for Sandusky on his first night in jail:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002850534

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

Calling inmates 'Bubba' is a dog whistle for prison rape. Unacceptable.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:47 AM, and voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Bubba has been a problem....
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Why not read the article?? It's "IN" the article. How about some compassion for what he did to those little boys? WOW.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I can handle it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No, it doesn't have to be a 'dog whistle for prison rape'. In this case, it means 'prison inmates', because it describes what happened (singing to let him know he's hated) and says 'Bubba' "has it in hand" - ie this is already the 'justice'. The word Bubba also comes from NBC, not the DUer.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #122)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:34 PM

125. Typical.

 

The whole op is rw bullshit. I believe that the poster didn't get the bubba reference, but that is really irrelevant to the suitability of the post. Support for "inmate justice" is crap. Rw crap. Jail rape posts are intolerable, intentional or not. There is always self delete as an option open to the op.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #125)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:38 PM

127. Somehow my raising that point prompted one DUer to

 

suggest that I show compassion for Sandusky's victims.

Here's how a serious and well-adjusted society shows compassion: by adhering scrupulously to the principles in its Constitution (which, last time I checked, barred cruel and unusual punishments).

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #127)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:42 PM

128. Rightwing culture is dominant and many people buy into it

 

Unknowingly. That isn't an excuse, it is just a fact.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #128)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:02 PM

137. Your damn right it is and it is filth n/t

 

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #125)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:10 PM

135. People like some of those in this thread

 

on the street, wherever, are NO different than he is. They disgust me more than he disgusts me. They just have not been caught yet for the things that they do. People like this have no morality and lack humanity. More psychopaths trained to hate by the violence that permeates our society. Only an animal would also think to rape a 60 year old man.

All part of the rot.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #125)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 12:54 PM

141. It is rather telling that prison rape is seen as humorous

 

even perhaps virtuous in some cases.

But I can't think of anyone joking that a female criminal, no matter how horrible, ought to be raped.

Not on here at least.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #141)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 03:51 PM

146. The passive voice doesn't tell us much, though it suggests a great deal.

I don't think very many people here see prison rape as humorous at all. I think most see it as horrifying, and perhaps a very few see it as one of those "eye for an eye" retributions in this particular instance, but humorous? Even with zippy musical accompaniment and a pre-recorded laugh track, that kind of shit isn't at all funny.

If it "is seen" by any group as a big ho-ho, hee-hee, I'm guessing it's those fellows on one of those sites well over to the right who are the ones doing the nervous giggling.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:55 PM

133. I'll bet they'd all like to have a shower with him!

 

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:08 PM

136. Perhaps Jerry should have listened....

To this little Sublime gem....

&feature=youtube_gdata_player

.....someone said Sandusky was still a human being....guess we have to agree to disagree on that.....I wonder how human those preteens felt during their rapes....he's not molester, he's a serial rapist of underage children. To me that's about as far From a human as you can be...

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