Benjamin Netanyahu is Mad

Purposely and illegally expanding settlements. He has always behaved in bad faith.

but his actions have done nothing to promote peace. He's done more damage to the Israeli cause in recent years than Israel's external enemies.

Compared to an average Palestinian, Bibi is a Progressive.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

48% of Palestinians support polygamy (pg 11)

89% of Palestinians support Sharia law (pg. 15)

89% of Palestinians think Homosexuality is morally wrong (pg. 81)

87% of Palestinians think that women should obey their husbands (pg. 93)

40% of Palestinians think suicide bombing is often/sometimes justified (pg. 29)

76% of Palestinians support penalties such as whipping or cutting off the hands of thieves (pg. 52)

84% of Palestinians support stoning for adultery (pg. 54)

66% of Palestinians support the death penalty for leaving Islam (pg. 55)

40% of Palestinians support a strong leader over democracy (pg. 60)

72% of Palestinians think that religious leaders should have a say in politics (pg. 64)

89% of Palestinians think that Islam is the only path to salvation (pg. 101)

And finally:

97% of Palestinians are Antisemites:

http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/02/04/chapter-3-views-of-religious-groups/

Shit, I thought only republicans were anti-science, guess I was wrong.

eta - Pointing out that Palestinians have a different value system that the West is hardly bigoted, it's reality.

from the Palestinians. Nothing you post will change that

People who live under perpetual occupation, while facing continual harassment and dispossession, seldom have any love for their occupiers. Populations that live under a state of perpetual conflict, frequently harbor some pretty unsavory views towards one another.

I wonder what a similar poll would have revealed about the attitudes of black South Africans during Apartheid, or Native Americans towards white Americans during the 1800s. I'd be curious to see a poll of the attitudes of Israeli Jews towards Palestinians, or Arabs as a whole. I'd be curious to see the same poll of just the settler population.

I would seriously question whether it's religiously motivated bigotry, or simply a natural outcome of long term occupation, dispossession, and conflict.

I'm not expecting a reasonable answer on this one.

In the IDF last little "mop" up in the west bank.
Hundreds of children killed. UN shelters targeted.
Yes Israel was targeted and lost maybe 5 civillians.
There is no comparison.

The wars in GAZA were started by HAMAS, a Palestinian terrorist group.

President Obama did the right thing here. Hopefully, Isreal will do the right thing and do as the UN resolution requests, but, with men like Netanyahu in charge, I have about as much hope as the US doing the right thing with Donald Trump in charge.

At the end of World War II, the Russians forced the German population which hadn't already run for their lives to leave East Prussia forever.

East Prussia of course had been German land forever and there was no dispute about it. In fact East Prussia was the home region that became the German state in 1871.

So the Red Army entered East Prussia with a vengeance in early 1945 and the German civilian population ran for their lives and whoever was left there when the war ended was forced out. Russian families were moved in. The historic names of towns, cities and regions were changed. The capital of East Prussia, Konigsberg (King's Mountain) was renamed Kaliningrad. Check out this ridiculous map. Kaliningrad is part of Russia 100's of miles away from any other Russian land.



Anyway, all the Germans left and now 70 years later there aren't any protests about occupied territory. There aren't any refugee camps on the Baltic Coast. The German civilians had their land stolen, they resettled, mostly in Germany, some in the US, or Canada, and they moved on. The UN doesn't seem to care. No one else seems to either.

Is it because Russia is big and Israel is small?

If they wanted to do the same in the West Bank, they should have done it immediately, and completely in 1967. Then people would have stopped squawking about it by now. It doesn't really work to do something like that over a period of multiple decades.

So no, it's not just a case of they can't get away with it because "everyone hates Jews", as you seem to be implying in your post.

People don't yell about East Prussia because Russia is too big to do anything about it. Even today where Russia is becoming our enemy again, no one is talking about the occupied territories though everyone knows that is exactly what they are.

Another difference is the refugee camps. It's ridiculous that there are still refugee camps 70 years after the first Israel-Arab war. Those people should have been resettled decades ago.

Were being used as weapons launching facilities. It also doesn't matter how many Israelis were killed; just because the IDF has better missiles doesn't give Hamas the right to shoot at IDF.

I'm really not taking Israel's side here. Fuck their government and fuck their illegal settlements and fuck their war mongering. But forgetting that there are two sides to this conflict, both of which are very much at fault? Fuck that, too.

In fact, the 2014 Gaza "Conflict" just exasperated the whole thing, and both sides were responsible. They were mad about the settlements, Israel removed them entirely, and Hamas took over and started shooting again (first eliminating their political enemies, then back to launching rockets). This enabled Israeli apartheid-ists to sit back and say, "See? Removing the settlements does nothing for us!"

Except now Netanyahu has Trump & Lunitics, Inc. carrying water for him and it looks like there will never be a two state solution. The only light I see in the tunnel is that people -- normal, average, plain old people -- are starting to realize that this isn't a good guys versus bad guys situation, and that helping Israel militarily despite what they do hurts the United States.

not an ally! And we are not the only ones that they alienated. There we four other members of the Security Council that could have stop the action.

"Close allies" do not do this: USS Liberty!

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USS Liberty has nothing to do with the vote on settlements, and hopefully nothing to do with Obama setting Israel policy 60 years after.

How long should people let Israel keep taking people's land? Maybe once those people are pushed into the sea?

We've paid for the right to disagree many times over.

because none of that aid will ever be cut!

Seems like Israel and America have something in common, we can pick some real shitheads to run our countries.

It was underhanded and cowardly. You don't go before an ally's legislature and attack their head of government regardless of disagreement. You never saw President Obama bashing Netanyahu.

deeper into the issue than the surface-y Obama v netanyahu conflict. So frustrating. Which country is defying decades of established policy re settlements? Which country is maintaining course on decades of UN and US policy re a two state solution? Which country is acting out of step with a majority of its citizens? What are the real issues regarding settlements?

this is why issues never get solved via broken public discourse in the US. it's the national enquirer approach to reporting...whatever sells on the cover is what gets discussed.

He's another obnoxious right-wing ethno-nationalist arsonist. Screw him.

He can get mad all he wants for all I care.

He went to all the trouble of lecturing our Congress and undermining our president. You would think we could show him a little gratitude. But, noooooo! Instead, we allow the U.N. to condemn the practice of stealing people's houses, demolishing them, and moving in religious extremists. What ingrates we must be.

that Trump will kiss his ass.

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