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Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:37 PM

President Obama can save this country.

He needs to go on TV and speak to the nation. He has to lay out the interference by Russia in our democratic process, even at the risk of compromising sources and methods. He needs to go on to say an election that happened under the influence of such interference is a nullity. He should set a new election date. Then he should announce he has positioned troops around the country and called up the National Guard and he will not hesitate to declare martial law in the event of violence.

He will rank with Washington and Lincoln in the history of this nation if he does. If he doesn't we will have to fix things ourselves and it will be very messy.

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rzemanfl Dec 2016 OP
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flamingdem Dec 2016 #3
lonestarnot Dec 2016 #5
rzemanfl Dec 2016 #6
BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #25
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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:40 PM

1. He will.

 

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:42 PM

2. From your keyboard to some all powerful being's eyes. n/t

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:44 PM

3. You think?

I think they already said the results stand unfortunately.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:46 PM

5. I believe that if Mr. President knows information that the Russian's threw our election that he will

 

do something about it. I do. He's a bad whammer jammer!

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:53 PM

6. He knows what the NSA, CIA and a bunch of other agencies know.

Which is a hell of a lot more than we do. I don't think the FBI can be trusted though.

I wonder if he can recall all the Secret Service agents from NYC?

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:31 AM

25. totally agree. He is putting every duck in a row, following rigorous legal procedure

before he takes action. That's his track record in office. And I like it!

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:12 AM

44. YES.

This is Obama, to a T.
And it is one of the many reasons why I have such confidence in him.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:14 PM

96. I hope and pray

you are correct.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #96)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:55 PM

110. Me too. I'm just guessing based on the past 8 years

It's how he works, so I'd expect the same methods now.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 02:19 AM

30. It's not too late until the electors cast their votes

dont give up hope!

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Response to confoosed (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:13 AM

52. Yes! This!

 

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Response to confoosed (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:50 AM

159. EC should postpone voting until all votes recounted in MI, FL, PA, WI

What's with the date? Dates can be postponed for various reasons and we have good ones.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:58 PM

11. Everyone please write to him. I did last night asking him to put in our Supreme court

court nominee and explained how it could mean horror and probably death for members of my family if the AHC is actually defunded, (I think the Supreme Court could stop something like that)

And I added some real other concerns about a potential 3 new CONSERVATIVE judges on there. Laws can be changed. But Supreme court decisions are an entire other ball game.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

If enough people write to him about what you are saying he would know he has the American people behind him.

And I do believe he can be a real bad ass and won't be surprised if he instills martial law for a time being. A friend who spent her entire career in the army told me she thinks that is what he will do.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:32 AM

26. !

❤️

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:01 PM

87. Sample letter ...

Dear Mr. President,
I am writing to you to let you know that I believe our country is in grave danger due to the possible illegitimate presidential election that took place. Today I read that the Russians had a role in the outcome of this election.
Because of this concern alone, I am demanding that this issue be addressed and investigated in full prior to swearing in Donald Trump as President of the United States.
I find Mr. Trump to be a frightening person and I cannot believe a word he says being his statements change on a daily basis.
I fear for our country Mr. President and while your time in office is short, there is still time to do something about this treasonous behavior that We the People are witnessing.
Thank you for you prompt attention to my request for a thorough investigation.
Sincerely,

********

I wrote this letter. Others have my permission to use it if needed.

CountAllVotes


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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #87)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:05 PM

112. Thank you. Great letter.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #112)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:10 PM

115. Short & sweet

Seems to work best when writing to public officials, etc. Doesn't take up as much of their time to read which is sad in hindsight but I hope it helps!



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #115)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:59 PM

126. Presidents don't read letters to the president. The help reads them.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #126)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:10 PM

127. That is why the shorter the better

They might actually read it if it isn't too long and require and IQ of 90+ we can hope. It could get passed on or thrown in the trash. Who knows?

The point is that you can sit around pontificating as to what to do but at least this is something that can be done!



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #127)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:49 PM

128. Agreed 100%.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #127)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:12 PM

129. Agreed. Great letter!

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:04 PM

111. Done and posted multiple times on facebook

This is a clear crisis.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:27 AM

165. copy the Electoral College, asktheelectors.org

They need to hear from US

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:19 AM

42. I doubt it. nt

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:44 PM

4. He can declare a national emergency under the National Emergency Act.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:58 PM

10. He can. But he won't.

He's too accommodating.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:59 PM

12. He may if we really push him

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Response to progressoid (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:06 PM

15. I am not picking on you but your post explains why the Democrats need new

strategy. There is too much of this, "It won't work" flying across Dems mouths!

We need to be the change we want to see. You can do it and you can help other people do it.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:13 AM

51. BINGO!

Obama WILL NOTdo such a thing bearing in mind that one of the things that RWNJ have been accussing of is the suspicion of him not wanting to leave office at the end of his term by imposing martial law.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:16 AM

137. Have you actually read the National Emergencies Act?

I'm thinking not.

Apart from it not being what I suspect you think it is, it expressly allows Congress to end a declaration of a national emergency by concurrent resolution. How long do you think it would take for the Republican congress to pass such a resolution?

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:53 PM

7. I believe in him. I believe he will do the right thing.

I just feel sorry for him. I think he is ready to enjoy life as a civilian again. And yet, poor guy may have to be the busiest lame duck in the history of the United States. This is kind of a big fire.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:57 PM

9. I do too. It is a shame that this befell him. I think he and everyone else

thought Orange Julius Caesar was too big a clown to pull it off. Remember when they said the Russians wanted to drop him after he insulted that Gold Star family?

Putin could send Obama a signal by arresting a few people to blame for it. They still have the hot line, right?

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:09 PM

16. You know, i think anything is possible. And there is so much we don't know.

Oh that's right. His love life with Putin was on the rocks for awhile there. Seems the lovebirds have since made up and may be shacking up together planning for their house warming in January.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:44 AM

27. Affair in the Oval Office...

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:52 AM

160. lol

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:53 AM

161. we know enough that the EC should postpone voting til after the recounts and

Congressional investig. into Russian hacks.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #161)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:02 AM

164. I agree with that. This election was compromised and I don't see how we can just continue

As business as usual.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:55 PM

8. If he has to act it would be helpful if he had the public support of the former presidents

and some Republicans in Congress. Graham might go along with it.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:16 PM

18. It would also help to arrest Trump

 

And call for new elections at the same time.

I expect none of this to happen.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:01 PM

13. Pretty damn sure he's going to have Farewell

Address.. I can only imagine wth will be in there.

The fascists have given him enough fodder to go on.

Thank you, rz

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:02 PM

14. Tweet this to @POTUS

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:15 PM

17. Time for a little Jedi mind trick!

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:28 PM

19. He can.

I don't think he will.

And not because I think he's weak. I think he wants us as a nation to own this and come together and force change. He's said it before and I think he actually meant it.

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Response to Quayblue (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:47 AM

29. Oh wow... there's a good point.

:/ I gotta admit, I see the wisdom in that. Still, I do have faith he's doing everything he can on his end.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:59 PM

134. I do too.

I have my disagreements but I honestly think he does careful measurement before action.

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Response to Quayblue (Reply #134)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:51 AM

135. yep, me too. That's a pretty important qualification for the job,

Actually. Seriously!!

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 12:28 AM

20. There are no election redos under our constitution.

And President Obama is not a dictator. He has no power to nullify a national election.

Want to get rid of Drumpf? First, get a majority in both houses of congress, than impeach and convict.

That's how it works in the USA. The only way.

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Response to longship (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:23 AM

24. Thank you for being the voice of reason here.

I've been on this site since the 2004 election and we've been through a lot. I thought I was about to have to bail on this place looking through this thread. What is being suggested here is not supported by the constitution period. Were President Obama to do this he would not be seen in the same light as Washington and Lincoln by history. This would be the only thing he would be remembered for and it would be that he was the president that tossed the constitution in the trash. No. No. No.

I want to see Trump gone. But it has to be through legal means. President Obama is not going to be the one that fixes this. And you know what? It's not his responsibility to fix it. He worked his ass off for eight years. He came in cleaning up the mess of the previous administration. His service is coming to an end and he gets to take a well deserved break. This is our mess to clean up. The people's mess.

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Response to Hyper_Eye (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 12:38 PM

68. Good post, I agree 100% n/t

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Response to Hyper_Eye (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:21 PM

70. Very well stated!

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Response to longship (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:03 AM

36. You are 100% correct! Not to mention that the remedy the OP suggests would cause a civil war.

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Response to longship (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:03 AM

38. we never had a legitimate election in the first place, so it wouldn't be a "re-do." nt

 

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Response to TheFrenchRazor (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:16 AM

39. Under what law???? And who gets to decide???

By all criteria there was an election as specified in the US Constitution.

Please stop with this rubbish. There are no Mulligans in US national elections.

Sadly, we are stuck with Drumpf because the only way out now under our law is impeachment and removal as prescribed by the constitution. Good luck to us with that!

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Response to longship (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:56 AM

43. well, there's also Article 25, section 4

as Keith Olberman mentioned recently...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_4:_Vice_Presidential.E2.80.93Cabinet_declaration

Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration

Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[24] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President disabled by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacitation prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President may resume exercising the Presidential duties by sending a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House.

Should the Vice President and Cabinet believe the President is still disabled, they may within four days of the President's declaration submit another declaration that the President is incapacitated. If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President while Congress deliberates.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Acting President and the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


yikes

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Response to eShirl (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:46 AM

53. Have you seen his cabinet picks?

Besides Mattis I don't think he would get another vote remove him from office at this point. If he picks this Exxon guy for SecState then that will be another Cabinet member that will support him until he is collecting his feces and urine in jars in the West Wing (and I would not be too sure he would be removed even then).

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Response to eShirl (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:56 AM

162. the issue is the Rs are totally in charge of Congress

They may prefer Pence but he won't be much better than Drumpf

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Response to longship (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:39 PM

80. The only out is the EC.

 

Which may be inclined to do their job if enough info is released...?

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #80)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:58 AM

163. EC needs to postpone voting til after Congress'l investigation & recounts

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Response to longship (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 02:11 PM

72. This had the appearance of an election but as it turns out the fix was in. A fix is not an election.

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:08 PM

95. According to all law, it was an election.

I'll stand by my posts.

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Response to longship (Reply #95)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:20 PM

124. If you can cite of the law, including any references of undue influence.

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #124)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:25 PM

125. Step one: Read your US Constitution.

And understand that there are no Mulligans for US presidential elections. None whatsoever!

No matter how much we hate Donald Drumpf, he is the president-elect by all legal metrics. Yes, in spite of any shenanigans.

Sadly, that is the fact of the matter.

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Response to AnotherMother4Peace (Reply #124)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:27 AM

140. i'm pretty sure there are laws saying essentially that elections must be free, fair, and open. nt

 

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Response to TheFrenchRazor (Reply #140)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:18 AM

150. And they were.

 

Is anyone actually accusing the Russians of hacking our machines and changing legal votes? No. They're not.

The Russians are being accused of influencing our election by releasing to Wikileaks hacked emails that show the DNC colluded to hobble Bernie Sanders' primary campaign, emails that DNC officials have never denied, by the way.

Are the Russians pro-Trump? Absolutely!

And practically every other European leader was unabashedly pro-Clinton.

Did these emails embarrass Hillary Clinton, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC? You bet.

Did these emails alter the outcome of the election? It's debatable that pissed-off Bernie supporters might have stayed home or voted third party as a result of confirming what many of them suspected; that DWS and the DNC was in the tank for HRC.

Did the Russians steal our election? No.

Do we get a re-do? No.

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Response to longship (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:46 PM

82. Nope. There are other ways.

 

Exercising the 25th amendment.
The EC refuses to vote for Trump.

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #82)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:06 PM

94. Do you honestly believe either will come to pass? Nt

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Response to longship (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:24 AM

138. +1

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 12:49 AM

21. President Obama needs to share this information, on air, with the public.

Then, he needs to petition THE SUPREME COURT, in light of the election's having been compromised, to call a second election.

When the Supreme Court decided to intervene in the matter of Bush v Gore, they set a precedent for involving the Court in a national election.

This precedent can be used for the Court's privilege to order a second election, as the matter of a foreign actor interfering with a US election is not (to my knowledge) specifically addressed in the Constitution. Since an opinion of "no confidence" could be reasonably given to the results of this election, and since this cause of a compromised election is not addressed in the Constitution, then remedies stated and approved in the Constitution for such events as a tied election do not apply, and the Court could declare the first election null and void and set a date for another.

If the results remain the same, then so be it, but it should be done.

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:26 PM

99. There is no precedent for the Supreme Court to involve themselves in this.

The Supreme Court can't reach out and take up an issue on its own authority. A matter must be brought before them by a party with standing to do so, as was the case in Bush v Gore. They did not "[decide] to intervene", but rather Bush petitioned the Court to review the legality of the Florida recount as it was being carried out at the time and the Court agreed to take the case. Very big difference there.

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #99)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:59 AM

136. I meant for someone to bring it to the court!

No court brings up matters independently.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 12:50 AM

22. He won't. He's more of a "Why can't we all just get along?" President.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:03 AM

23. hope he has the guts......but, couldn't stand up to BigPharma or Insurance cos.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:47 AM

28. Get a grip.

This is exactly what the right wing conspiracy nuts have been saying Obama would do for 8 years. Chaos and civil war would break out and the idiots would finally have their excuse for using all those guns and bullets they've been stockpiling.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 02:22 AM

31. hey, we got them too!

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Response to Solomon (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:04 PM

155. Trump could declare marshal law and we'd really be screwed.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 02:34 AM

32. What you would have is literally civil war

 

Half this country would feel as though a coup is occurring.

...and that might be true. You get to re-do elections.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 02:43 AM

33. This feels like a coup as it is, doesn't it?

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Response to bmpbmp (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:25 AM

139. No, it doesn't

It's not a coup when your candidate loses. Sec Clinton brought a lot of baggage with her into this election and ran a relatively weak campaign. Lessons need to be learned and the first is to make our party a 50 state party and start taking back seats in 2018/2020. Losers point fingers, winners regroup and move forward.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 02:43 AM

34. he should refuse to leave office, because we have no legitimately elected successor. nt

 

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:02 AM

35. have you lost your mind?

So you want Obama to officially become a dictator?

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Response to infiniti30 (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:06 AM

50. Do you want trump to be one?

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:58 AM

37. No, I do not support a coup led by President Obama. Luckily neither does he.

Get a grip.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:42 AM

48. I would call it a counter-coup. We already have had one. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:11 PM

73. Absolute nonsense.

Your Obama as dictator fantasy is some pretty sick shit.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:20 AM

40. Lol.. now that is some batshit crazy.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:35 AM

41. Aw Jeez. Do they still teach civics in school these days?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:55 AM

55. No. A lot of places (all???) have cut it out. That's scary.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #55)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:38 PM

79. they don't want the next generations to know how government works.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #55)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:29 PM

91. Scary, indeed. All this magical thinking about thwarting DT before he takes office is just that.

The good news, however, is that Alan Lichtman was one of the only historians who maintained throughout that DT would win the election, has also predicted that he'll be impeached, but I fear he'll do an awful lot of damage in the meantime.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #91)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:41 PM

119. Oooh! Interesting! Link?

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #119)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:05 PM

120. Here ya go. I don't know how post videos that aren't from youtube. Sorry.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:28 PM

101. civics??? are you kidding me? if you think the enemy cares anything about civics you are either

 

drunk or working for them

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Response to TheFrenchRazor (Reply #101)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:49 PM

117. WTF are you talking about? Not sure how your response applies to anything I said.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:15 AM

45. Unfortunately...

Most of the posts here are based on wishful thinking when it comes to Obama doing something. There is nothing in our constitution that allows for a do-over. Nothing would please me more than to have Donald Trump removed as the President-Elect. But it will not happen.

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Response to WiffenPoof (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:40 AM

47. The Constitution was written in the days of quill pens. The founding fathers

could never have foreseen this mess. We are in uncharted territory. I am not okay with the Russians fucking with our elections.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:06 AM

64. Completely Agree

In fact, I'm astonished today this story hasn't been bigger than it has. The whole idea that another country could hack our election and it not be an explosive story. Instead it has up to now barely made a ripple.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:29 PM

102. word. nt

 

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:29 AM

46. This is exactly what Barak Obama will not do. (nt)

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Response to enough (Reply #46)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:47 AM

158. No.

He won't.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:54 AM

49. Only the electoral college can prevent Trumps presidency.

President Obama has no power to nullify an election. But if he has the goods on Trump te EC could throw it to the House. They would probably elect Pence.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:51 AM

54. No. That will not happen.

It cannot happen. More's the pity, but such a thing is impossible in this country.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #54)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:57 AM

56. Do you think Nixon, Reagan or either Bush would have hesitated if the shoe were on the other foot?

I thought the election of an admitted serial sexual assaulter was "impossible." It happened.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:08 AM

57. What happens if a military leader or leaders refuse his order and back Trump?

Do you want Trump in charge of a military junta? That would be a possibility in the scenario you described.

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Response to inwiththenew (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:23 AM

58. I am willing to take a chance on that rather than have Orange Julius Caesar be

Commander in Chief. I am sure the President knows the politics of his military.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #58)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:30 PM

103. heh heh, that's a good one. nt

 

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:24 AM

59. Why set a date for a new election at all.

With the massive hacking of the votes he could simply say that he was the last president elected by the people in a fair election. That no new election would be set until a point and time where voting could be guaranteed "hack free".

For the vast majority of us we'd not have a problem extending his term out 2, 4, or even 8 more years.

Then declare martial law and if the red staters revolted we'd crush them with our military. Perhaps in the next election their votes really wouldn't matter. It would be a win win or our party and real America.

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Response to ileus (Reply #59)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:52 PM

85. Holy shit.

I really hope this is a troll post. This whole thread is frightening to witness.

I, for one, would have a huge problem with suspended elections and having Obama stay on as Supreme Leader for another few years.

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Response to SomethingNew (Reply #85)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:04 PM

88. Go suck on a tea bag

I hear it is good for herpes of the mouth.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:40 AM

60. That is truly

That is truly brilliant.

While nothing would please me more than the type of chaos this action would bring, you do realize who has all the weapons and also think they have the divine right to use them against their fellow humans and Americans? How many in the armed forces would think nullifying the results of an election by President Obama is probably a bad thing and would be sympathetic to Trump's side?

And on our side, people who need safe spaces to deal with an unpleasant reality and keyboard warriors.

A lot of people will die and lots of lives will be destroyed and while I can certainly live with that, can you?

Once again, the three d chess b.s. about how President Obama is putting all his ducks in a row before he unleashes marshal law while Trump plays checkers.

We laughed at people who thought Jade Helm would result in FEMA camps but this, entirely plausible, why it is starting to feel like Fitzmas.


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Response to ryan_cats (Reply #60)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:00 AM

61. Yours is exactly the sort of reaction the Russians counted on.

I am not comfortable with them choosing our President and more terrified of him being Commander in Chief than I am of a bunch of mouth breathers with AR-15s. If our military sides with Russia we are truly fucked. I have to leave for a while, but would be happy to hear your solution.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #61)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:24 AM

62. My solution?

My solution? It is not a final solution by any means but we need to accept the transfer of power. That does not mean we acquiesce to allow the powers that be to run roughshod over everyone and everything they disagree with.

We hold their feet to the fire over everything but remember, sauce for the gander. If we merely obstruct things like our President had to put up with for eight years, then we are no different and certainly no better than them. Oh, does it now matter whose ox is being gored? Our motives are pure so their methods are now justified?

The media went out of its way to protect and promote Hillary and folks saw that and when people think they are having something forced upon them, they rebel. Now the same media is sweeping their perfidy under the rug and point at those scary Russians, Reagan would be proud of them and wonder why they were not behind him when he was president.

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Response to ryan_cats (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:10 AM

65. Accept the transfer of power. To protect the wishes of under 80,000 people in three states.

Two-thirds of whom think Obama increased unemployment. Make a money grubbing sociopath Commander in Chief. Let Russia hack our election. Swell.

I must be a fool not to be okay with this.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #65)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:23 AM

66. No, no

Is it not rather disingenuous to say only eighty thousand people decided this election?

At least two reasons:
1) The folks who voted for Trump number at approximately 61,125,956.00000. Is it now OK to disenfranchise their votes? I might be somewhat inclined to side with you except the Republicans also swept the Governorships, the Senate and the House, is that not then, the will of the people? Or does that only matter when they vote as you wanted? This we know better attitude brought us Trump.

2) I am not comfortable with having only a few large cities decide who the President is, which is really what the popular vote is although in 2016 they most likely would at least vote a Democrat in.

You should be angry at the media and Hillary for giving the impression that she had it in the bag and then folks stayed home and now we have four years of Trump.

I guess the media admitting they went out of their way to sway the election towards Hillary is OK by you and we need only pay lip service to an impartial media?

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Response to ryan_cats (Reply #66)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:35 AM

67. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan.

Less than 80,000 votes. I'm not comfortable with that given the Russian influence and Orange Julius Caesar's popular vote shortfall.

The media "went out of its way to sway the election towards Hillary?" I must have missed that part bigly (as Drumpf would say). There was something about emails....



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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #65)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:33 PM

105. yep, the reality is that most people are very passive conformists; their first reaction is to accept

 

the status quo, without question.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:27 AM

63. Oh please

We all know Obama doesn't roll lIke that.
He's not a boat rocker.
This should have been investigated when first discovered.
He should have overrode McConnell and went on TV about this.
He's not a bomb thrower.
He's a smooth transition guy.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 12:40 PM

69. We need to take action

 

We need to start a petition to make Obama respond to this while he still can. He can not simply ignore all of this. He needs to get involved and at least find a way to appoint Biden as his replacement. Worst case, marshal law?

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:21 PM

71. i think his time to save it was back in october....sadly

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Response to spanone (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:14 PM

74. No,see my thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028350048

The crime had to happen first.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:25 PM

75. Messy?

 

You don't think it would get "messy" if the President, let alone "We" tried? How many gun owners voted for Trump? How Many NRA members? How many members of the military? The National Guard? former military?
And if you think the military would just wipe out the right wing because of their superior firepower, how is that working out in Afghanistan etc?

Far from Washington or Lincoln he would be thought of as a 3rd world dictator. He wants a legacy but that isn't it.

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Response to ztug (Reply #75)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:48 PM

83. So your solution is to let the Russians, Drumpf and the oligarchs have the country? n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:28 PM

76. The only way to prevent tyranny

is to install a dictatorship...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #76)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:45 PM

81. I trust Obama NOT to be a dictator. I EXPECT Drumpf to be a dictatorial Putin puppet. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #81)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:52 PM

84. If he invalidates the election,

calls out the military and declared martial law he would be a dictator. Perhaps a benevolent one who would peacefully leave once an election with the proper result occurs, but still a dictator.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #84)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:58 PM

86. I don't think emergency action for a limited period of time would put him in a

position of having total control of the country, which is what the dictionary says a dictator is.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #86)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:46 PM

92. we can quibble about what the proper title is

But such action is well beyond anything granted to the president by the Constitution. I am uncomfortable setting a precedent for unilateral executive action backed with military force.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #92)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:28 PM

100. Just as I was with the Supreme Court issuing a decision in Bush v. Gore

that was not precedent and limited to that case. I am more uncomfortable with Orange Julius Caesar, the Russians and the oligarchs taking over our country and our lives. I posted this here earlier today, but it sank-

Thought experiment.
1860-Queen Victoria is discovered to be paying people to distribute handbills in the U.S. supporting Breckenridge.
1916-Kaiser Wilhelm takes out ads in all major U.S. papers supporting Hughes.
1936-Hitler funds radio broadcasts in U.S. supporting Landon.

What would have been the U.S. response? Why is 2016 different?

I consider meddling in our election an act of war by Russia. (Yes, I know the U.S. has meddled in elections).

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #84)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:34 PM

106. it's already invalid, honey. nt

 

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #84)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:08 PM

121. No, he would be honoring his oath to defend the constitution...

from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:29 PM

77. Extremely messy.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:34 PM

78. I was just thinking this very thing!!!!

 

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:15 PM

89. Agree except do NOT send out the National Guard.

That will fuel the phony-patriots.

Most places will be fine. Happy even.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #89)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:19 PM

90. I said call up, not send out. That would keep them out of the hands of red state governors, or am I

missing something?

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:51 PM

93. That would cause a civil war and exodus

 

Has DU lost its mind? You don't cancel elections that have been held and certified. Who even has the authority to cancel an election? Would be a constitutional crisis with lots of violence and people leaving the country.

Everyone knows that canceling prior elections, where no constitutional provision exists, is the Pandora's Box to dictatorships.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #93)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:18 PM

97. Has the United States of America lost its mind?

There is, apparently, according to the people at DU who still have their minds, no recourse but to let Russia select our President. Because that's what the founding fathers would have wanted when they failed to foresee computer hacking in the days of muskets and sailing ships.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #97)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:23 PM

98. Our recourse was to not elect him in the first place

 

Once we did, it was over. Whether Russia is the determining factor or not, it was up to us to vote wisely and we failed.

Do you even know what would happen to you if the military backed Trump? Have you seen what happens to people and their families who back losing coups?

If the military backed Trump, there would be a bloodbath against those who backed the election cancellation.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #98)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:34 PM

107. None of this is pretty. I would rather not see Trump as Commander in Chief.

Because, of course, he "knows more than the generals." Germans in the 1930's did not want a bloodbath either. They got one anyway.

We will see no more elections in this country after Trump. Just fake, reality TV elections.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:30 PM

104. My prediction is that the President will say and do nothing.

And I hope I am incorrect on this, but nothing in the past eight years gives me any hope that what you write will happen. Plus, I cannot see how the Constitution would allow for this.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #104)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:39 PM

108. The founding fathers failed, in the days of quill pens and sailing ships

to foresee computer hacking. I have probably engaged in wishful thinking, but I have to think the President and the intelligence community know a lot more about what happened and is happening than we do.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #108)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:50 PM

109. Agreed. But in the interests of "stability" they will convince themselves

to bury the report and hope for the best.

My prediction only.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #109)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:09 PM

114. My prediction is there will be no stability in this country from the moment Drumpf

is sworn in until god knows when.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:09 PM

113. This is exactly

what the right have been saying Obama will do for the past 8 years. It would play directly into their hands and the troops could not be deployed fast enough to stop the slaughter that would come to be known as the start of the next civil war but also the 3rd World War. Before he was finished speaking the "patriots" would have already began killing their neighbors.
Another thing to consider, the military is a reflection of the nation. They have Trump supporters, white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, oath keepers, Bible thumpers and survivalists within their ranks. Sure they all took the same oath to "protect and defend" but they will all act on that oath and on the order to fire on American citizens much differently. The whole nation under martial law? Not even remotely possible.
Most importantly, it would send the barbarians crashing through the gate, while the people responsible will be safe in their bunkers. Within 24 hours our foreign enemies will see this as their golden opportunity. Within 36 hours millions will be dead and our grid and infrastructure would be a shamble. Within 48 hours the world as we know it would cease to exist.

Isn't this what we are trying to prevent???

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #113)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:25 PM

116. I agree civil war is a definite possibility. I don't think anything would come of asking Trump

nicely for favors. I think the military would fire on people who shoot at them rather than asking if they have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior or if they think Sandy Hook was an inside job.

I don't think World War III would follow.Who would nuke us? China? When we are the biggest customer for their crappy products? Russia? When Putin wants to sell us oil? France? Pakistan? India? I am more worried about Cheeto Sporkhands having the nuclear codes and Tweeting us into World War III at 3 a.m. in a Twitter snit.

Whatever happens, this is not going to end well. I am too fucking old to learn Russian.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #116)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:58 PM

133. Civil War won't turn out the way you think.

 

lf Civil War comes to be who do you think will win? The anti gun city dwellers or the gun owning county folk? The military voted heavily for Trump, not Hilary, so don't delude yourself into thinking that they would follow orders from a "Commander in Chief" that they already don't respect and who has refused to leave office as prescribed by the Constitution. Even if they did , they haven't been able to beat a few thousand Taliban let alone a few million Americans, many of whom are former military with similar training.

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #113)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:17 PM

123. "This is exactly what the right have been saying for the last 8 years."

I have heard that more than once here today. Makes me wonder why they would circulate such an unfounded rumor unless someone started it for a reason. I am becoming a conspiracy theorist in my old age.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:19 PM

118. K&R...Thanks for posting

President Obama should have gone on TV on November 9th to "layout the interference by Russia in our democratic process."

A foreign power interfering in a United States Presidential Election is unprecedented, as well as totally unacceptable.

He could have called for new elections then, and a majority of the American people would likely have agreed with him.

Instead, he called HRC early in the AM on Nov. 9th, and strongly suggested to her that she should concede, even though the votes were still coming in from the West Coast & Hawaii, and she already had a large plurality of the total vote up to that time.

Why did he do that?

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:13 PM

122. And if he doesn't he will go down in American history

as the man who knew everything before it was too late and did absolutely nothing about it.

It's up to you, President Obama. The world is watching.

Link: Petition SCOTUS to Invalidate Election Results Of 2016 - Order A New Election https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/scotus-invalidate-election-results-2016-order-new-election

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:22 PM

130. Ain't gonna happen. If he was going to do it he would have done it prior to election day.

It would have tilted the election to Hillary and then it could have been investigated more under a Clinton Administration (and probably a Democratic Senate as well).

To know that the Russians were actively trying to help Trump win the election and then say, "He didn't want to influence the outcome" is extremely odd. It's like playing a game where you know the other team is cheating and you not only continue to play by the rules but refuse to call the other team out on their actions. The horse has already left the barn.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:30 PM

131. That would just confirm all the Alex Jones conspiracies

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:41 PM

132. Everyone here supporting the President invalidating the Election.....

...would be perfectly okay if a Republican President did the same thing, right?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #132)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:31 AM

141. under identical circumstances, absolutely yes. nt

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #132)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:14 AM

148. The country has become so polarized

there is no longer any bright line between what's wrong and right. Foreign interference on behalf of a candidate is WRONG period. It doesn't depend on whose side they favored. We have the Republicans saying "move on, there is nothing to see here." People posting to this thread think the military will not follow orders but take sides.

There were people who said FDR let Japan bomb Pearl Harbor to get the U.S. into World War II. They weren't numbered in the millions. There is no way a country this divided can move forward.

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Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:19 AM

151. Welcome to DU Genghis. When you fish, do you cast or just drag the lure behind the boat? n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #151)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:05 PM

156. Ha! I guess I was right about his fishing style. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:07 AM

147. It scares me that this thread has 50 recs... nt

 

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Response to B2G (Reply #147)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:16 AM

149. It scares me that the Russians decided who should win our election and picked Drumpf. n/t

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Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:31 AM

154. So it's A-OK with you for the Russians to interfere in our election because things suck?

I disagree Genghis. It is still our country, problems and all.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:19 AM

152. He could. Time will tell.

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:06 PM

157. Obama won't say anything except "Theres been an election. Theres going to be a Trump presidency...


He already knew about the CIA confirmation of Russian hacking, said nothing about it, and then said things like....

"Yeah, listen. If you want to persuade me that everything is going to be terrible, then we can talk ourselves into that. Or we can act. It is what it is. There’s been an election. There’s going to be a Trump presidency, and Republicans are going to control Congress. And the question is gonna be, for those like you and I, who care about these issues, do we figure out how to continue to make progress in this environment until we have a chance for the next election,” he said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2016/11/29/obama-on-trumps-election-win-its-not-a-miracle/?utm_term=.9013f1f38809

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Response to rzemanfl (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 08:39 AM

166. We're still waiting...

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