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(24,324 posts)
1. Here............
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:34 PM
Dec 2016
Jill Stein has ended her statewide ballot recount effort in Pennsylvania. Lawrence M. Otter, a lawyer for the former Green Party presidential candidate, withdrew the lawsuit filed with the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania early Saturday eve

"Petitioners are regular citizens of ordinary means," the filing states. "They cannot afford to post the $1,000,000 bond required by the Court."

Stein elaborated on Twitter, asking: "How odd is it that we must jump through bureaucratic hoops and raise millions of dollars so we can trust our election results?"


Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
10. Recounts are onerous and very expensive, on purpose (my experience in election law)
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 10:07 PM
Dec 2016

That said the key word is "statewide" effort is dropped. You need signatures in every precinct and it is pretty much impossible to track those folks down for any amount of money.

Efforts in certain counties are proceeding however.



(11,088 posts)
12. Wisconsin alone was $4m.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:00 PM
Dec 2016

This doesn't include the money used to fight the lawsuit against it, or the one in Michigan. Nor does it include the Michigan recount cost (which is expected to be more than $5m). People giving her crap for raising the fundraising goal had no clue that recounts generally are far more expensive than the initial costs. Nor does it seem Stein was expecting such high increases herself.

Regardless, if the Michigan recount continues, she will likely be in a ton of debt. Not the other way around.



(11,088 posts)
17. Do you know how many precincts/ votes that is?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:58 PM
Dec 2016

Palmer report said 70 precincts. Know if that's accurate?


(29,664 posts)
7. I would not worry about this. If Michigan or Wisconsin flip then more money would be raised
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:49 PM
Dec 2016

and there would be a huge amount of momentum to recount PA.


(109,227 posts)
8. This was so predictable. She didn't ask for the required 30,000 volunteers
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:50 PM
Dec 2016

till ONE DAY BEFORE the deadlines.

This was a week after she started collecting money.


(185 posts)
9. Dropped lawsuit but not the precinct recount -judge required $ 1mill bondto hear the lawsuit
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:52 PM
Dec 2016

Despite this headline in npr, She's still going forward with recounts under the first state provision -- within precincts that could get the affidavits in on time, but the judge in the lawsuit she filed for a full-state state-wide hand recount required a $1mill bond of the 100 people who had sued for the recount. Her campaign seems to be saying these people can't afford it (maybe Green Party was not allowed to pay?) So the lawsuit requesting a state-wide recount had to be dropped.


"In court documents filed shortly before 5 p.m., an attorney for the Stein campaign wrote, "Petitioners are regular citizens of ordinary means. They cannot afford to post the $1,000,000 bond required by the Court."

In the meantime, the state is within .02 of having an automatic recount. Philly is recounting by hand their ballots voluntarily.



(11,238 posts)
11. Phila uses direct-recording voting machines. The only ballots that can be
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 10:12 PM
Dec 2016

counted by hand are absentee and provisional ballots.


(109,227 posts)
16. She waited till one day before the deadlines to post that she needed them.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:20 PM
Dec 2016

That wasn't a serious effort. She had already been asking for money for a week.


(39,728 posts)
14. NOT TRUE - according to the Palmer Report here:
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:06 PM
Dec 2016

No, the Pennsylvania recount effort isn’t “over.” Yes, the mainstream media is lying to you.

Since the recount effort in three states got underway last week, the major media have afforded it virtually no coverage. Even as the Wisconsin recount enters its third day and numerous inconsistencies are being documented, the mainstream media has remained silent. After the Michigan elections board approved the recount go-ahead, nary a peep. Now the major media outlets are finally talking about the Pennsylvania recount effort, but only to report that it’s now “over” – which is not the case.

What actually happened today is that in a desperate last ditch attempt at preventing the recount, the State of Pennsylvania suddenly invented a million dollar bond that third party candidate Jill Stein would have needed to immediately pay for. This came after the state of Wisconsin had surreptitiously increased its own recount price tag from $1.1 million to $3.8 million, for the rather transparent purpose of trying to bankrupt Stein’s recount effort.

Stein had raised millions of dollars, but with so much of that having been eaten up already by Wisconsin’s sudden price hike and the attorney fees required to fight fierce court battles against all three non-cooperating states, it turns out she didn’t have the $1 million cash on hand today to cover Pennsylvania’s sudden ransom demand. Thus she was forced to withdraw her court petition for a Pennsylvania recount. That doesn’t mean it’s over, of course, only that there is now another legal hurdle to fight.
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