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Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:36 AM

Hillary, for GODS SAKE CHALLENGE THE ELECTION RESULTS!

We never gave up on you; please do not give up on us! This election smells fishy to everyone! Wisconson, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are showing some serious signs of election tampering! Two of those states had senate seats that were guaranteed to go to Democrats!

Those fuckers are stealing this election, do not let them do it! For America's sake, even DU was hacked! Fight, fight!

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Reply Hillary, for GODS SAKE CHALLENGE THE ELECTION RESULTS! (Original post)
Firebrand Gary Nov 2016 OP
Control-Z Nov 2016 #1
Amimnoch Nov 2016 #8
SHRED Nov 2016 #82
mfcorey1 Nov 2016 #2
brooklynite Nov 2016 #3
Name removed Nov 2016 #89
Name removed Nov 2016 #90
mfcorey1 Nov 2016 #91
MineralMan Nov 2016 #93
MADem Nov 2016 #94
MineralMan Nov 2016 #96
mfcorey1 Nov 2016 #95
MineralMan Nov 2016 #97
Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #4
certainot Nov 2016 #83
byronius Nov 2016 #99
cwydro Nov 2016 #5
Firebrand Gary Nov 2016 #6
cwydro Nov 2016 #111
Augiedog Nov 2016 #21
kelly1mm Nov 2016 #74
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #118
Augiedog Nov 2016 #121
treestar Nov 2016 #32
Hortensis Nov 2016 #61
BlueCaliDem Nov 2016 #106
Hortensis Nov 2016 #125
BlueCaliDem Nov 2016 #141
Hortensis Nov 2016 #154
TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #124
name not needed Nov 2016 #135
cwydro Nov 2016 #138
lostnfound Nov 2016 #142
bhikkhu Nov 2016 #147
HAB911 Nov 2016 #7
whathehell Nov 2016 #15
bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #9
Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #10
whathehell Nov 2016 #14
smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #16
bdamomma Nov 2016 #23
treestar Nov 2016 #33
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whathehell Nov 2016 #29
pangaia Nov 2016 #113
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whathehell Nov 2016 #114
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whathehell Nov 2016 #155
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whathehell Nov 2016 #115
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whathehell Nov 2016 #117
we can do it Nov 2016 #148
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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:42 AM

1. Did you send this to her?

If you have her email address I would love to have it. I want to send her a similar letter.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:17 AM

8. I don't know if it's still being used, or monitored, or even read, but

I've sent a plea for her to get the challenge in via her contact from the campaign:

http://hillaryforamerica.zenfolio.com/contact.html

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:05 PM

82. Do you have a mobile friendly link?

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:47 AM

2. Can the Justice Department call for a recount if they suspect improprieties?

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Response to mfcorey1 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:52 AM

3. No.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #90)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:17 PM

91. Ignorant troll!!!

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Response to mfcorey1 (Reply #91)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:19 PM

93. Just served on that jury.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #93)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:22 PM

94. I did too.

And I nuked 'em.

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Response to MADem (Reply #94)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:24 PM

96. Yup. Takes a few minutes for

the results. Easiest jury service ever.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #93)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:23 PM

95. He paid to be a star member to post foolishness. Another trumper surfaces, who is so much

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like his fuhrer!

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Response to mfcorey1 (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:24 PM

97. No doubt. What a maroon!

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:00 AM

4. President Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Biden etc have...

...privately looked at this, in my opinion. What they need would be some solid evidence, local lawmakers to follow suit, and media attention. Republicans are very much in charge, so the battle would be uphill and they would delay anything until after Trump is sworn-in. Still, this is worth investigating. The hacking of DU, where people would be following issues of tampering, is suspicious.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:06 PM

83. dems need to show they'll get their backs and until we

challenge rw radio directly they won't see it.

that is the real orange samson's hair - boycott and call advertisers to all stations,protest the universities that support them www.republiconradio.org

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:35 PM

99. For me it was the major clue.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:06 AM

5. Sooo...you want her to do what we all said Trump would do?

We scoffed (prematurely as it turns out) that he would DARE do such a thing.

Smh.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:10 PM

111. I feel pretty confident that the Clintons,

President Obama, and other Dem leaders would be taking action if they thought there were grounds to do so.

I doubt that random DUers writing frantic emails will sway them.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:34 AM

21. We already have proof of election rigging in Wisconsin with the federal courts decision that

republican gerrymandering here is unconstitutional. Specially saying it, the gerrymandering, is designed to ensure one political party's dominance over another. That IS rigging in its most obtuse form. So, yeah, lets go. We need to get not only our heads out of the sand, we need to get our asses in gear.

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Response to Augiedog (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:42 PM

74. That ruling is about House seats, has nothing to do with the statewide Presidential vote. nt

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Response to Augiedog (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:21 PM

118. You do realize

that gerrymandering has no effect on a state-wide race, right?

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #118)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:00 PM

121. Yes, of course. I am making a general observation. Where there is smoke there is fire.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:09 AM

32. If there is evidence of course

We're not talking about just general nothingness as Orangutang was. His ego could not allow him to see himself as losing, so he was preparing that as a way to deal with it, that's all. This is different.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:16 PM

61. ENTIRELY different. Allowing this election to be STOLEN

would be wrong. The Democratic Party and the national and state governments all have a duty to the nation to make sure the person the voters chose takes office. Whichever candidate that is.

The Republican Party is no longer willing or capable of protecting democracy, is even actively working to overset it, so the duty falls to the rest.

If we don't, then what?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #61)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:00 PM

106. "If we don't, then what?" Then the Democratic Party will be wiped off the political map for a

generation, at least. Then more elections will be stolen with approval by the Dem Party that won't contest now. Then we'll get a few token Dems in seats here and there to make it appear as if elections are still fair while, in the meantime, we lose all our hard-fought for rights and corporatism demolishes democracy...and the M$M will normalize that, too.

V for Vendetta movie kind of shows us where we're heading.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #106)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:22 PM

125. Don't forget the millennials and youngers. They'll

be voting in higher numbers as they get older. And increasingly empowered minorities. The demographic progression is in our favor. Even the GOP's supply of resentful, no-college white males is shrinking as more and more of their kids go to college.

Plus, that Wisconsin case where the federal judges found state gerrymandering unconstitutionally favored Republicans may just end up changing everything nationally.

We're in trouble, but we're not out. Yet.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #125)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:02 PM

141. What does it matter if more people vote if election machines are hacked by malware, uploaded by

outdated laptops and computers at the State level that are connected to the internet? They can change the totals easily.

That's how they got in, according to Professor J. Alex Halderman, a renowned computer scientist. Upon his suggestions, California banned the most vulnerable voting machines in 2007, and Democrats have been winning more and more seats, now giving Hillary Clinton a sizeable chunk of the over 2 million more votes than the Tangerine-Tyrant has gotten.

It doesnít matter whether the voting machines are connected to the Internet. Shortly before each election, poll workers copy the ballot design from a regular desktop computer in a government office, and use removable media (like the memory card from a digital camera) to load the ballot onto each machine. That initial computer is almost certainly not well secured, and if an attacker infects it, vote-stealing malware can hitch a ride to every voting machine in the area. Thereís no question that this is possible for technically sophisticated attackers. (If my Ph.D. students and I were criminals, Iím sure we could pull it off.) If anyone reasonably skilled is sufficiently motivated and willing to face the risk of getting caught, itís happened already.

Why hasnít more been done about this? In the U.S., each state (and often individual counties or municipalities) selects its own election technology, and some states have taken steps to guard against these problems. (For instance, California banned the use of the most dangerous computer voting machines in 2007 as a result of vulnerabilities that I and other computer scientists found.) But many states continue to use machines that are known to be insecure ó sometimes with software that is a decade or more out of date ó because they simply donít have the money to replace those machines.
https://medium.com/jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.v9a0w7d8q


If this isn't fixed, we will be wiped out of the Federal Gov't for good.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #141)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 07:44 AM

154. I share your worries, but all changes cause their own changes.

Even, and perhaps especially election theft and an electoral college that has become inimical to democracy. We are still a republic.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:22 PM

124. I NEVER gave a vote of confidence to hackable machines. nt

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Response to cwydro (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:48 PM

135. Yes, it's totally different when our side acts like petulant children.

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Response to name not needed (Reply #135)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:45 PM

138. Lol.

Snap

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Response to name not needed (Reply #135)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:15 PM

142. Prefer president trump over a stolen outcome and I wish the right wing base was equally patriotic

Most of them don't f'ing care.
But I do.
Count the votes.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:52 PM

147. If trump called for a recount on his loss, I'd be fine with that

I think voting audits, at least, should be a matter of course, whether we win or lose. Anything that brings the confidence that our votes are counted fairly strengthens democracy. What we have now is much less than that.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:14 AM

7. Is there ANY doubt the GOP would challenge if it were the other way? n/t

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:25 AM

15. No..and Hell No!

and everyone knows it.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:26 AM

9. If we're ever going to get to the bottom of voter purges, fraud, disenfranchisement

we're going to have to challenge somebody

This is the time

Even if it goes nowhere Americans deserve to know what is
happening to democracy

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:28 AM

10. The fact they wanted us to accept the results immediately is very fishy to me

 

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:23 AM

14. Yes....Why are the dems always so loathe to fight?

Their lack of spine is at least partly responsible for the ountry's disastrous move to the Right, IMO.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:27 AM

16. Thank YOU!

I am so tired of us rolling over every time the GOP runs a train over us. It has never gotten us or the American people anywhere. If we don't start fighting we might as well give up altogether.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:39 AM

23. exactly we have to be rude and be obstructionists like they were

to Obama for the last 8 years.

Why is it that in any other country whoever wins the most votes wins, no but we have that pesky EC crap.

you know they did it in 2000, and now 2016 if we don't challenge them it will keep on happening to us, we need to grow a spine.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:11 AM

33. This

I have defended Democrats strongly. Those in the Senate now will be put to the test. They must filibuster every single thing and do all they can to block and obstruct the Republicans. It is time to quit being gentlemanly. Surely they know that from the last 6 years.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:37 AM

45. Democrats better fight fire with fire

Or we will all be giving the nazi salute to 'god emperor' Dumpf with his Children of the Sun soon.



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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:56 AM

29. My pleasure!

and I agree with every word you've said!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:41 PM

113. And here is what happens if dem roll over yet again..

GOP donor Betsy DeVos accepts education secretary post in Trump cabinet


https://www.yahoo.com/news/betsy-devos-accepts-education-secretary-post-in-trump-cabinet-182326446.html





VOMIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:28 PM

130. I agree

 

Right wing coup-Comey and Putin and lots of American voter suppression. How could anybody that isn't right wing win again with those combos?

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Response to whathehell (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:51 PM

80. Gore, Kerry, Clinton - too polite to fight for our country when we've been wronged.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #80)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:02 PM

114. It's too early to count Clinton out..

but, yes, I agree on the others.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:41 PM

100. I must agree.

Everyone at the top is concerned with being civil in the face of crumbling civility, which only empowers the uncivil.

Weimar Democrats may doom the world to another enormous body count.

And I'm not that guy -- I love Obama and Hillary. But we're past statesmanship -- it's so 2015.

We're in the Days Of Russian And Racists, and it's going to require Roosevelt and Truman, both of whom had no trouble saying it right out loud, and taking the serious steps needed to fight these bastards.

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Response to byronius (Reply #100)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:05 PM

116. Yes and that's ridiculously 'penny wise and pound foolish"

The stakes are too high for that happy horseshit!

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Response to whathehell (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:24 PM

136. To top it off they say the message they got was they were too Liberal.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #136)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 08:55 AM

155. I haven't heard that one..

Who is saying that...the DNC?

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Response to whathehell (Reply #155)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:53 PM

156. I know a couple of really annoying Hillary supporters....

 

They think what makes America great is the stock market.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:23 PM

126. 2000 all over again. How many more times?? ALL HAND COUNTING NOW!! nt

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:31 AM

11. Democrats never fight election fraud it seems.

I hope I'm wrong now.

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:15 AM

35. It's not just election fraud. They don't fight on any issue.

 

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:33 AM

12. NC is stinking up the house too.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:23 AM

13. I get Obama wanting a smooth transition of power, and I get how it would appear hypocritical if

Hillary were to challenge the results of the election. But, it's time to quit worrying about optics and get to the bottom of what the heck happened on November 8th. The data's not adding up and something isn't right. Hillary has never given up in her entire life, and now is not the time to start. There are grounds for a vote audit in multiple states and we need to be applying as much pressure as we can, in every way that we can, before it's too late.


In key states that Hillary was expected to win but ultimately "lost", the numbers show that she under-performed considerably in counties that used electronic voting machines vs counties that used paper ballots and optical scanners. That's a huge red flag.

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Response to -Steph- (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:28 AM

17. 1000

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Response to -Steph- (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:29 AM

18. It's not about what's "convenient" for him or anyone else..

It's about the good of the country and the world.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:18 PM

64. Where is Hillary? She should be out in front of this... here's hopin she'll step up.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:03 PM

115. AbSolUteLy!

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Response to whathehell (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:50 PM

86. Couldnt agree more. His day is soon over.

 

We are worried about the future. Imagine if there was another "911" - what this weirdo would do??

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Response to Dr. Mullion Blasto (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:07 PM

117. Yes

I've been terrified at the ithought of a "Trump With Nukes" since the election!

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Response to -Steph- (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:00 PM

148. Something seems very wrong to me.

It was very early in the evening when they could get no comments from Clinton campaign.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:33 AM

19. I agree and dont care how it looks.

It is not just a election,between climate change and nukes at that madmans fingers the fate of the planet literally is in question.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:33 AM

20. (weeping)

we are so fucked.

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Response to librechik (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:46 AM

25. yes we are

 

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:36 AM

22. I agree with everyone but

Unfortunately, Hillary is not going to challenge the election results. Heck, most Democratic Politicians seems to think it is business as usual with Trump and don't seem to understand that the next fascist/nazi has been elected. And they have a horrible history of caving to the Republicans.

Sorry for being so negative but unfortunately, that is the way I see it.

CS

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Response to compsports (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:49 AM

26. It should be challenged for every American. But is not a factor.

 

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:44 AM

24. Can they really be so stupid as to not see what is at stake?

What are they afraid of? What is the reluctance to face what could be the greatest single threat to our way of life and in fact life itself?

Smooth transition? Fuck that. If the election was stolen it's a smooth transition into fascism. Fuck that.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:49 AM

27. Yes. Challenge Comrade Casino and his Russo-Republican cronies

for the sake of America

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:53 AM

28. Not for YOU, Hillary

 

For US, For AMERICA. It's not about you, like it wasn't about Gore in 2000. It's about fairness to the American voter.

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Response to lake loon (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:07 AM

31. We would suffer right along with her if she took office

by way of challenging already counted election totals. It would be a miserable 4 yrs and we would blow our defense of the senate by mobilizing GOP voters.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:05 AM

30. She does not deserve the kind of misery that would bring

And Obama does not deserve to have his last month filled with the nastiness it would bring. If it is at all possible, I would rather he be able to focus his attention on getting Garland on the SC.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:40 AM

39. Do we deserve the destruction of a

Mango Mussolini 4 years? Do we really?

Do we deserve to have the social safety net shredded?

Look, I get that no one will fight this. I get that no one in the House or Senate will stand up to them, that they will quietly acquiesce to whatever they demand and by the end of four years, we won't be the same country. We'll be a country run by literal Nazis.

Oh, and if no one even peeps about this probable election fraud, they will know that they can do it with impunity every single time.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:32 PM

109. Do you really believe that he has the chance of

an iceberg in Hell of getting his nominee to the Supreme Court on the court???

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #110)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:45 PM

119. I think you meant to respond to another poster.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #119)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:12 PM

122. Sorry about that

Thanks for pointing it out.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:15 AM

34. Are people really this clueless as to how it looks to be screaming about this..

..after all the mockery we heaped on the idea of Drumpf saying the election would be rigged?

How about we spend a fraction of the time spent going on about this to rebuilding our party and starting to find candidates for the midterms and for 2020 and insuring that the actual Democrats who won and hold office fight for us tooth and nail against this corrupt madman.

I had really hoped this place would be a little more introspective and realistic about what went wrong once it was back up, but it's pretty clear we are back to "Hillary cannot fail, she can only be failed."

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Response to vi5 (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:42 PM

75. If we ignore the issues it will just continue for the next election

(Snip)

Voting Machines Fail
The most persistent problems were those that crop up every election cycle, such as closed or relocated polling stations, confusion over new voting requirements, and faulty voting machines. Those and other problems led to long lines in North Carolina and Texas during the popular early voting that preceded Tuesday's balloting.
By mid-afternoon Tuesday, problems being reported included long lines and delayed poll openings in New York; malfunctioning voting machines in Virginia; and confusion with closed or delayed-opening polling places in Georgia and Texas. Among the specific incidents:

In Dover, N.H., misinformation that polls would close at 8 p.m. led officials to extend voting an hour from the pre-planned closing time of 7 p.m. The city is a Democratic stronghold in a crucial battleground state.

In Maricopa County, Ariz., Democratic officials asked a judge to keep polls open for two more hours following problems with voting machines and provisional ballots that caused long lines. The request, like that in Colorado, was denied.
In Washington County, Utah, election officials had to scramble to get electronic voting machines back up and running after machines at many precincts failed to operate immediately after polls opened at 7 a.m. Only 99 of 380 machines had memory cards programmed correctly. Voters were given paper ballots instead.

In Philadelphia, would-be voter Chris Calvert tweeted that both voting machines were broken at his polling place. ďNo one can vote in our district today. Hundreds of angry voters,Ē he wrote. Federal law requires election officials to give voters provisional paper ballots in such cases.
In a Detroit precinct in the battleground state of Michigan, the machine that counts ballots was not working from the very beginning of the morning, causing confusion and anger among voters. Workers at the precinct told voters they could either leave their ballots in a secure box to be counted later or wait for a technician.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/08/voting-polls-election-day/93201770/

Long article but I just wanted to focus on the voting machines sections for the post but there were many issues that played out this election that must be addressed or we can expect more problems in the future. We know the GOP will continue with its war on voting.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #75)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:47 PM

76. 1 way to do that...

Support, foster, encourage, and nominate candidates who are so inspiring that it couldn't even be close enough to steal.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #76)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:50 AM

152. So, if it's close we should just live with it being stolen?

That's the "new normal"?

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #75)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:26 PM

128. yep; this is already the second time. how many more???!! nt

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Response to vi5 (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:25 PM

127. How it looks???! maybe some people should learn a lesson - machines are hackable. duh. nt

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:26 AM

36. I did quite a bit of research and analysis on Pennsylvania count totals yesterday...

and things definitely look fishy. Mostly in the counties that Trump won, in each of those counties Trump saw a DOUBLE DIGIT % increase over the number of votes that Romney got in 2012, while Clinton got a double digit % decrease from the number votes that Obama got in these counties.

Couple this with the fact that in some counties trump had vote totals that were more than 100% more than the amount of registered voters in that county, while Clinton's number of votes compared to that of Dem registered voters decreased significantly.

Nothing can be taken from this correlation directly, except that Clinton was polling well across the state so the likelihood of 20% of voters switching and voting across party lines in the last week is certainly unprecedented. It looks more alarming on the spreadsheet graphic but I am unable to upload it from work here.

Anybody else have any ideas for things to look in to? I'm sure there are plenty of analysts here at DU and you never know when you are going to find that needle in the haystack that everyone else is overlooking.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:32 AM

38. Occam's Razor

Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Which is more likely - a coordinated conspiracy in Democratic run states and counties across this country to deprive the Democratic nominee the election that involved dozens of different voting systems, counting systems and geographic locations.

OR

The polls were wrong.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:46 AM

47. Occam's Razor is not a scientific principle.

I have a Ph.D. in physics. The basis of the scientific method is not Occam's razor. It is the comparison of theory with investigation. If you're so scientific minded, you should be in favor of an investigation, so that the hypothesis that the election was hacked can be tested.

If Occam's Razor were as valid as you seem to think it is, Quantum Mechanics would have been scrapped long ago. It is a highly respected theory not because it's simple (it is not), but because it agrees with experiment.

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Response to athena (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:56 AM

48. Did not know we were talking science or Quantum Mechanics

And I never said it was a scientific principle. BTW, congratulations on your PhD.

It is a principle from philosophy. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Politics is a lot closer to philosophy than Quantum Mechanics.

But other than those minor quibbles, you and I agree.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:59 AM

50. Statistics is not philosopy. Election fraud is not a philosophical question.

When the people see suggestions that their votes were not counted, that is a question (hypothesis) that can be resolved through an investigation (experiment). This is much closer to science than to philosophy. Occam's Razor is therefore neither here nor there. Nice try, though.

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Response to athena (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:05 PM

55. Occam's Razor applies exactly to your situation

It is applicable to a hypothesis. The more assumptions you have to make about the hypothesis, the less likely it is to be accurate.

If we can find evidence to support the assumptions that have to be made to support a claim that the election was somehow stolen, then the hypothesis would not be so outlandish because there would not be as many unproven assumptions.

Seems to directly apply, but then again, I am not a physicist.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:10 PM

58. Once again, you're confused about the scientific method.

A hypothesis is tested by experiment. That is the scientific method. Occam's Razor is not a part of the scientific method. If it were, there would be no need for experiments. As the ancient Greeks did, we could conclude that planetary orbits are perfect circles and that the Earth is at the center of the universe, since that's the simplest hypothesis.

If you're so wedded to Occam's Razor that you think there should be no investigation because the election was not stolen because election fraud is too complicated a hypothesis, then you must also believe that planetary orbits are circles, and that the earth is a flat disc in the exact center of the universe.

You cannot demand evidence if you are against an investigation. That's like saying you are against analyzing astronomical data to check the hypothesis of circular planetary orbits, etc., because there is no evidence that planetary orbits are not circular, etc.

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Response to athena (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:09 PM

84. I have enjoyed this dialog on the philosophy of science between the philosophers.

It's a shame y'all don't have a show. I'd watch!

The bit I could possibly add is a quote I've seen bandied about recently:

"The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine."

I'd submit, only the wheels of science turn slower.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:02 PM

53. 1

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:24 PM

69. Interesting

I just got back on DU 2 days ago and reading through just a few threads I realized how screwy things were. I did a bit of research and it doesn't make any sense.

I told my wife last night that her hunch that it was fixed looks to be true. Add in Trump's "it's rigged" projection and the madness of two weeks ago makes sense.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:57 PM

120. Coal.

Mostly in the counties that Trump won, in each of those counties Trump saw a DOUBLE DIGIT % increase over the number of votes that Romney got in 2012, while Clinton got a double digit % decrease from the number votes that Obama got in these counties.



They voted for the person who told them they were going to keep their jobs.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:28 AM

37. Enough of the conspiracy theories

When there is real evidence, then we can do something.

Those that keep claiming election fraud without evidence frankly look like sore losers or worse, freepers.

The Democratic Party would destroy its credibility and reputation for reason if it brings forth this claim based on mere speculation and a statistical anomaly in a a couple of districts (which is all we have now).

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:44 AM

40. A party that can't beat a rival party with a buffoon like Trump as a presidential candidate

 

doesn't have any credibility.

Even these claims about election irregularities are unsubstantiated, there has been a real and public campaign of voter suppression over the past two decades that the Democrats have never even tried to respond to.

The fact that the party is in this position is the fault of the people in leadership not the voters.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:46 AM

41. Could not agree more.

Thanks.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:29 PM

131. maybe we did beat him; you never know when voting machines are hackable black boxes. nt

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:29 AM

43. It's not a "conspiracy theory"

Alex Jones does the conspiracy theories. There are enough questions to warrant a recount. From the Guardian:

A growing number of academics and activists are calling for US authorities to fully audit or recount the 2016 presidential election vote in key battleground states, in case the results could have been skewed by foreign hackers.

The loose coalition, which is urging Hillary Clintonís campaign to join its fight, is preparing to deliver a report detailing its concerns to congressional committee chairs and federal authorities early next week, according to two people involved.

The document, which is currently 18 pages long, focuses on concerns about the results in the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/hillary-clinton-election-vote-recount-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin

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Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:59 AM

49. Exactly. Let's not lower ourselves to Alex Jones Territory.

And I love this quote "A growing number of academics and activists". Sounds exactly like the types of evidence climate change deniers use.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #49)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:13 PM

60. We saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears.

 

I am frankly getting tired of this effort to make everyone shut up and accept the opposite of what actually happened. Look, I'm pretty sure that they got Comey to do what he did so that people would think there was a legitimate change in opinions and polls. Enough to cover vote manipulation. Enough to hand Trump the presidency.

Now, you don't have to believe it, but quit trying to make everyone else here who has two brain cells and the ability to reason think that they didn't just watch it happen. And seriously don't fucking tell us not to do anything about it. That kind of talk is for people who don't give a shit.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #60)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:01 PM

88. All I am trying to do

Is get those on this site with "two brain cells" to act like they have brain cells.

I'm all for an investigation into the truth. But most folks are convinced already there was election fraud and there was a conspiracy, despite the fact there is zero real evidence of such other than what they wish was true (or worse, trying to claim that because the polls said one thing, and the election another, it MUST be election fraud, other than just crappy polling).

I'll say this again, we risk being dismissed as crackpots if we don't temper our language.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #88)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:17 PM

92. Seems like you would rather everyone just shut up and sit down and not believe our own lying eyes.

 

But, whatevs....

You do you, we'll do us.

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Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:08 PM

57. There are suspicions based on electronic voting machines in Wi, which some say disappear

when the data is adjusted for controlling factors.


Sheesh - this quote is from one of the strongest supporters of a recount, Halderman himself......


A second group of analysts, led by the National Voting Rights Institute founder John Bonifaz and Professor Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michiganís center for computer security and society, is also taking part in the push for a review, and has been in contact with Simons.

"Were this yearís deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked.


https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.168pwqmmx

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #57)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:17 PM

62. And I believe they used Comey to try to make people believe just that.

 

It's bullshit. They stole it and all we need is to expose it.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #62)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:18 PM

63. Comey definitely had an impact..seemed to confirm for a lot of people who would not support her. nt

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #63)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:20 PM

65. I doubt many changed their vote. But that is certainly what they expect everyone to believe.

 

It was their hole card.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #65)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:23 PM

66. Good point, a perfect event to point to as "a reason why". Shoot even Hillary said it was big.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:23 PM

68. Exactly. nt

 

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:42 AM

46. How do you propose to find "real evidence" without an investigation?

Why are you so adamantly against a recount or an audit? What are you afraid of? If there is no wrongdoing, and if Trump is indeed, as you seem to want it to be, your president, then an investigation will reveal that the results were correct and honest. What are you so afraid of?

BTW, it's interesting that many of those who are loudly against an investigation (i.e., posting about it in every thread) are low-post-count members.

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Response to athena (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:00 PM

51. I am not against an investigation

What I am against is blanket claims that this has to be a conspiracy and voter fraud because our candidate did not win.

If we can temper our claims to reality, they will be heard louder.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:04 PM

54. An investigation is what we all want.

No one is claiming that the election was hacked and that the results should be thrown out without an investigation. What people are saying is that they think the election was hacked and that there should be an audit or an investigation to settle the matter.

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Response to athena (Reply #54)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:06 PM

56. I can agree with that

I do think it is important to temper our message so we don't come off sounding like loons.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #56)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:13 PM

59. In that case, we are in complete agreement.

We're just reading the posts differently. I read them as saying, "I'm worried sick that the election was hacked; please do an investigation to settle the matter, and I will accept the results whatever they are." You're reading them as, "The election was hacked, and this is what an investigation is sure to show, if there ever is an investigation." I agree that it's better to state things with less melodrama and more calm reasoning.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #56)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:23 PM

67. Actually it sounds looney to me to ignore the glaring discrepancies. nt

 

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:48 PM

78. "when there is real evidence".. um you need an investigation to gather real evidence.

What, do prosecuting attorneys just sit around and wait for evidence to fall in their laps?
"Can't issue a subpoena, don't wanna look like an Alex Jones Conspiracy theorist!"

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:50 AM

42. Yes. This needs to be done.

If nothing else to confirm that he was legitimately elected.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:37 AM

44. Well - some computer scientists did say some counties in Wisconsin were suspicious...

The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000.

Some data scientists and political statisticians, including FiveThirtyEightís Nate Silver and The New York Timesí Nate Cohn, cast doubt on the claims, which compared voting in counties that used paper ballots with those that used electronic machines. Silver and Cohn said the suspicious results disappear when controlling for demographic factors like race and education.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-challenge-election-results_us_5834e3a6e4b000af95ed3a34

"While itís important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review..."


Maybe why that computer scientist also says this:

"Were this yearís deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked."

https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.168pwqmmx

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:01 PM

52. Fight, Hillary!!! Fight...

For Ruline.

For all the little girls.

For justice.

FIGHT!!!!

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:24 PM

70. Anybody know how much pressure is being put on her campaign?

If the numbers aren't adding up and they don't add up for Trump, we could be looking at an election crisis. One that might bear out that what we came to expect, actually happened, but was suppressed or padded for Trump.

Call for election audit now! Call your senator. Call DOJ.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:28 PM

71. if she isn't going to fight it

why should I fight for her?

If the shoe were on the other foot, sure, the GOP would be litigating it tooth and nail.

But that has never seemed enough to motivate Dems.

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:27 PM

143. It's not for HER.

It's for America.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:31 PM

72. She said, "I'll never stop fighting for you". I expect more from her than a meek surrender.

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Response to WheelWalker (Reply #72)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:47 PM

77. Al Gore 2000 said the same thing

then he conceded. He didn't fight at all.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:50 PM

103. Al Gore had a different situation

Plus it should be the voters making the demands, not the candidate.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:33 PM

73. YES!



K&R

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:49 PM

79. The election's not rigged

if you count the votes

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:00 PM

81. don't forget Florida!

Other experts have questioned the results in Florida, too. I say audit more states than we need in case we can't find the evidence we need in all of them.

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Response to imaginary girl (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:53 PM

87. Florida's results are already certified n/t

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:26 PM

85. Face it folks, America is dead.

Trump was right about that much.
Now Americans will get what they want more than anything... The right to openly hate and discriminate. Apparently this is how so many of them get their rocks off. Forget any gov't benefits, it's like Craig T Nelson said, "our family had to live on food stamps and welfare and we never asked the government for anything". (True statement). This is the mentality of the people we are dealing with.
Of course, you know that if Hillary does this, she will be resigning herself to fascist prison.
This is what has become of America.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:26 PM

98. And a part of "the plan" was to first discredit the term "rigged" just before the election

Trumps surprising insistence that he would "keep you in suspense" about whether he would accept the results, and that it all may be rigged against HIM was no accident. It was a way to garner the predictable loud public outrage from Democrats and their supporters...no doubt emboldened by all the polls that showed Hillary winning and the desire to nip any talk of this in the bud.

It became some outrageous idea precisely BECAUSE Donald Trump said it.

Then....after the election where they, allegedly, tampered with electronic machines to RIG it themselves, they knew they had already painted Democrats into a corner. That if they raised any stink at all it was going to be seen as whining about something they themselves, along with the media, had discredited already. And they would come off as being wildly hypocritical at best.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #98)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:31 PM

133. that is entirely possible, and plenty of naive fools here fell for it. nt

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #98)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:30 PM

137. Exactly...it was a huge setup.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:45 PM

101. now we know

why trump promised not to prosecute. This is straight up blackmail.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:49 PM

102. Does Hillary have to do it?

Why not the voters who picked her?

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Response to treestar (Reply #102)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:43 PM

146. Jill Stein can do it.

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

In Wisconsin and Michigan, only a candidate can request a recount. In Pennsylvania, the voters can also request a recount.

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Response to athena (Reply #146)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:14 PM

149. So she was a candidate

interesting. Amazing she would do it. Oh wait, the attention!

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:51 PM

104. It HAS to come from you. So for the sake of the United States future as a democracy, ASK.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:58 PM

105. We Must Finally Cry Foul

For Once. Al Gore fell all over himself quickly giving up, Kerry was almost as fast.

This is not a partisan group who investigated the anomalies and those outlying results were only in areas with voting machines, they were not seen in areas with Optical Scanners or paper ballots.

It looks like the results were swayed just enough to fend off questions but to no avail.

This is just one more time when the result was different than the polls, including exit polls.

When will democrats quit effectively saying "thank you sir, may I have another?" We must deep six those Damn voting machines.

Enough is enough and the stakes are higher than ever.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:16 PM

107. K & R

 

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:20 PM

108. If she does issue a challenge, it can't come from her office.

She'll need people to do it on her behalf.

She can work behind the scenes, but she shouldn't be the public face of the challenge. The media will get into it with both feet, and the challenge will never get off the ground.

The vast majority of the people who hate her don't know why they hate her. They were simply told to by loudmouths in the media, and they goose-stepped to the march the right-wing media outlets called.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #108)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:41 PM

145. Jill Stein is doing it!

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

It's beautiful. She's almost halfway there. Please donate. I'm thinking of donating some more.

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Response to blitzburgh55 (Reply #112)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:27 PM

129. George Takei tweeted about this a few hours ago. He posted a direct link to

Stein's fundraising page. She needs 2.5 million by Friday and has gotten over $500,000 just today so far (and $400,000 of that was just in the past couple of hours).

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

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Response to Silver Gaia (Reply #129)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:30 PM

132. Except she hates Clinton

 

and loves Putin. I don't trust her. (way to steal MORE votes from Clinton-I don't know but it's kinda fishy)

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Response to Generator (Reply #132)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:51 PM

140. I am very suspicious 😒

I don't trust her. We will see but she might keep the 💰

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:20 PM

123. wish she would; but anybody at that level is bound to be a "team player," and wouldn't want to rock

rock the boat.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:42 PM

134. Jill Stein is doing it for her!

I bet you've already donated! If not, go do it. Just google jill stein recount, I'm sure you'll find it!!

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Response to athena (Reply #139)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:35 PM

144. Donations for Stein's recount are now over 1 million dollars in less than 6 hours!

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #134)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:59 PM

157. Lost cause

 

I don't believe anything will come of this and it is just putting more $$$ in Jill's bank account.

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Response to HipHipHillary (Reply #157)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 01:01 PM

158. Something's better than

Nothing!

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:22 AM

150. I'd sure like to see the election turned around.

If she feels right about it I'm sure she would. I'm still hoping.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:30 AM

151. You don't think their internal exit polls showed this possible result?

 

This is the result many of us who left DU during the general election warned.

Low turnout in urban areas due to lack of enthusiasm for the candidate and high turnout in republican areas.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:52 AM

153. I supported her with my voice and my money

and she just walked away? I will never support another candidate that is not up for a fight.

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