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Sat Nov 19, 2016, 02:59 PM

Pentagon and intelligence community chiefs have urged Obama to remove the head of the NSA

The heads of the Pentagon and the nationís intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

Action has been delayed, some administration officials said, because relieving Rogers of his duties is tied to another controversial recommendation: to create separate chains of command at the NSA and the militaryís cyberwarfare unit, a recommendation by Clapper and Carter that has been stalled because of other issues.

The news comes as Rogers is being considered by President-Elect Donald Trump to be his nominee for DNI, replacing Clapper as the official who oversees all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies. In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-and-intelligence-community-chiefs-have-urged-obama-to-remove-the-head-of-the-nsa/2016/11/19/44de6ea6-adff-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:03 PM

1. Infighting in the military

Intelligence apparatus. Wow.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:14 PM

2. When the military chain of command breaks down ...

.... big trouble may well be in the offing. Meanwhile Trump appears to be encouraging it. I hope he pisses off enough constituencies to be his undoing.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:33 PM

4. Trump revels in chaos. I think he's trying to undermine Democracy.

Richard Engel said on NBC a couple days ago that some generals were reviewing the Constitution to see what their options are if they need to override Trump.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:27 PM

13. That is Bannon's state goal. He is Trump's brain.

 

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:26 PM

3. I think Gates recommended that cyberwarfare be placed

within the NSA or CIA, and not be under military. Would keeping it under nsa prevent trump from having as much direct influence?

If you haven't seen Zero Days on Showtime, it's worth watching. My directv is letting me have showtime for a week, I guess, as a preview. Zero Days was the best documentary I saw. Watched it twice. It's about the development of Stuxnet, how Israel turned it loose, and the repercussions between US and Iran.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:37 PM

6. I was wondering the same thing. Don't know enough about it.

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:35 PM

5. It's going to be like J Edgar Hoover running the intelligence community

Not that it isn't now

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:40 PM

7. I wonder what the first constitutional crisis

of the presidency will be? And when? We could have a pool.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:51 PM

8. If it involves cyberwarfare, we may never know who won the kitty.

Supposedly, the US has a warfare program called Nitro zeus, which could infiltrate some of the most essential infrastructure we need on a daily basis, like power, water, etc.

I think Joe Biden needs to work on a world-powers treaty to get all countries on board with stopping cyberwarfare.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:00 PM

9. What if the entire hacking was orchestrated from within?

This would be a classic cyber coup

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:19 PM

10. And treason.

I'd like to see someone like Biden and Kerry work on this, though. We're going to need a treaty for cyber as much as we needed one for nuclear.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:22 PM

11. Which is why I asked who would be this man

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Response to marybourg (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 20, 2016, 12:52 PM

17. shaping up to be about family members getting security access

Ivanka, the first female president

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Response to octoberlib (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:25 PM

12. So is Rogers in league with the Russians? Did he allow the NSA to aid the hacking of votes?

 

Trump only allows loyalists.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:32 PM

14. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 1h1 hour ago Washington, DC
Do I have this right? The NSA chief was going to be fired, but Russian hackers helped Trump win the election so now he's getting promoted?


Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 1h1 hour ago Washington, DC
I don't want to be ~that guy~ but it's a little fishy eh?


https://twitter.com/mattyglesias

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:35 PM

15. What if it's not Russia?

That would be more frightening

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Response to malaise (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:40 PM

16. Yes, it would. That's also possible.

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