Hillary might lose Ohio

[Bear Creek]

Cnn money had article about Hillary bad mouthing coal as the reason she will lose Ohio. I have heard the same at work. But i will say these are some of the same guys that said they would quit their job if a woman was made the supervisor. The same guys who belong to a union and vote republican then complain about working conditions. Pike and Scioto are republican counties especially when they gerrymandered the area to be weighted down with Cincinnati. I think Hillary has just as much chance to take the state as Obama did. Also just as a side lots of Pike and Scioto county residents think that southern Ohio was the south and were confederates.

[MFM008]

1. She was ahead

By 7 ?

[Foggyhill]

15. All the polls had huge margins

It's a tie in likely voters
But gotv means she likely wins

[PJMcK]

2. Thank you for showing your concern

Perhaps you should calm yourself with a reading of the reputable polls.

Enjoy your evening.

[Happyhippychick]

3. Luckily

she doesn't need it to win.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

8. I'll be VERY disappointed if Trump wins Ohio.

However, I'm THANKFUL that there's other states to pick up the slack if it happens!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

4. I think Clinton's ground game will win it.

"Also just as a side lots of Pike and Scioto county residents think that southern Ohio was the south and were confederates."

Good grief.

I believe it.

[TexasBushwhacker]

28. Most of Ohio is surrounded by red states

Indiana, West Virginia and Kentucky. In some ways it's like Texas; blue cities and red rural and suburban areas. The key is GOTV in the cities.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

33. The southern part is basically West Virginia and Kentucky, culturally.

I'm optimistic about the ground game because I only saw Clinton supporters and signs outside of the polling place when I voted yesterday in Dayton. Dayton is considered to be a "purple city," not overwhelmingly Democratic most of the time.

I also saw a pretty high percentage of African American voters.

[Ohioblue22]

5. Take those miners and retrain them to make solar panels

[Bear Creek]

22. Funny

Ohio has corn fields not many coal mines. They like to say coal trains go through here but that is not true. About once a week. The new facilities in columbus are for double stacked freight.

[6000eliot]

6. Concern trolling much?

[Bear Creek]

13. That was the title of the article

As I said I think she will take Ohio just as did Obama. Even though dump is in columbus tonight Bill will be campaigning here tomorrow would like to see him.

[Bear Creek]

57. Correction

Dump is in Cincinnati tonight not Columbus.

[Ohioblue22]

7. She absolutely will lose ohio if we don't vote

[wisteria]

9. I think Ohio will come through for her. Coal minors aren't the only people who vote.

[obamanut2012]

10. I read DU to find out what posters are concerned about

Thanks for sorry your concern on this concerning subject.

[Bear Creek]

14. Really

Maybe discussion is not allowed here?

[lpbk2713]

12. HRC is ahead by about three in Florida.

And continues to gain.

Link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_clinton-5635.html

[LonePirate]

16. Coal miners need to accept that their industry is dying. We need to find them new jobs.

[TexasBushwhacker]

29. It's been dying for decades

But men kept working in the mines because their fathers and grandfathers did. Of course many died young from black lung and other mining related illnesses, but they made lots of money when they were alive. Even the GOP just cares about the coal companies, not the miners. Mitch McConnell won't schedule a vote on a bill that would protect miners'pensions until after the election.

http://www.register-herald.com/news/key-gop-member-lukewarm-to-coal-miners-pension-bill/article_a2048616-19fb-56c6-99a4-e310b8e4f5d2.html

[maxsolomon]

34. The best option i see is Environmental Restoration

undo the legacy of coal mining, to the extent that it can be undone, in KY, WV. of course, republican voters hate the EPA, but I bet they'd love a superfund job.

[Bear Creek]

21. CNN article

Thanks but obviously you did not read the post.

[Loki Liesmith]

18. Remember to average your polls!

[spanone]

23. don't count on it.

[Coyotl]

25. Right wing talking points are not what decides elections.

[pampango]

26. Ohio is getting older and less diverse than the rest of the country.

Trump was leading in Ohio polls but is not now.

I live in a rural area north of Cincinnati surrounded by republicans. That is typical of rural Ohio including eastern and southern Ohio. The cities are a different story, thankfully.

[Iggo]

27. Noted.

[Lucinda]

30. Link? n/t

[Bear Creek]

32. Tried to

It's sad but people in southern Ohio think they are in the south. The article mentioned coal train my husband works for the railroad a few trains of coal go through about once a week. Coal is usually from Kentucky or West Virginia.

[meadowlark5]

35. Didn't I just read she has a plan that cost $3-4bil to do something about converting

coal country to something more 21st century and sustainable?

[aaaaaa5a]

36. Ohio doesn't matter. 270 does. We don't need Ohio to get to 270.

I will substitute NC for OH any day. They are similar in electoral college votes but NC is young, educated, diverse and growing. OH is old, non-diverse, non-educated and dying. When the next census comes out OH will be losing electoral power. NC will be gaining. The idea that OH is the "end all/be all" is no longer true. That's outdated thinking. OH was not a requirement for us to hit 270 in 2008 or 2012. Its just another battle ground state. A state we DO NOT NEED to retain the White House.


Maybe we could talk about how Missouri is the "show me state." And that Missouri always votes with the Presidential winner. Remember that one?

Or maybe we can discuss how Democratic Presidential candidates will never win in the South. Have you seen our status in VA and NC? I can also tell you that SC and GA are not nearly as far behind as people think. By 2020 or 2024 we can win there too.

Bottom line, don't worry about OH. Its a must win for the GOP. Its not a must win for us.

[Bear Creek]

39. In the meantime

NC's has it's bathroom law

[4lbs]

37. CNN Money is like CNBC and Fox Business Channel. They lean heavily towards corporations, and thus

Republicans.

[Bear Creek]

38. Tuesday

The repugs where I work were complaining about the liberal media and they think Fox faux new is too.

[4lbs]

42. One of the men on Trump's economic team is Larry Kudlow who had his own show on CNBC

called "The Kudlow Report".

Another supporter is Lou Dobbs, who has a show "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on Fox Business Network. He used to be on CNN before leaving for his racist and anti-immigration views (even though his wife is a Latina and an immigrant).


So, I would take any anti-Hillary talk, articles, or stories on these 3 channels with a view of suspicion.

[roamer65]

40. I doubt it with 3 more weeks of Creepergate to go.

[Jim Beard]

41. Real Clear Politics - OHIO

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/oh/ohio_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5970.html

[Retired George]

43. Silver says No

In fact, Ohio's getting bluer by the day on 538.

[Raine1967]

44. Stick around Bear Creek.

I hear what you are saying and I know as long as we get out the vote we can do this.


I was a low post DU'r for a long time -- it can be rough and tumble. Welcome to DU.

[Bear Creek]

49. Thanks

I have no doubt about Ohio going blue, that article was inane. Southern Ohio is it's own worst enemy. Me and my family are going to vote early.

[lumberjack_jeff]

45. Only guys vote in Ohio?

Odd.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

46. Diebold,

that's all.

[Jim Beard]

47. It was a news story.

I saw the same program. Give the thread parent a break, he was only repeating what a friendly news channel had.

[dlwickham]

48. the eastern part of Ohio is coal country

one of the largest coal companies, Murray Energy, headquartered in the eastern part of Ohio and Mr. Murray HATES Democrats with a passion

the local newspapers are pretty much hardcore right wing and hate Democrats and the EPA almost as much as he does

the EPA is the devil killing jobs in the area; they don't want any regulation of the coal industry because it's bad for jobs

HOWEVER, the same people advocating for coal are some of the same ones who are going after the oil fracking industry in the area

one coal group is suing a company because the company has contracted with a town north of me to either install an oil powered electric plant or maybe retrofit an existing one; can't remember and too lazy to google it right now

the plant is behind schedule because the coal group is suing the company; the coal group is holding up maybe 30 or 40 decent paying jobs because if they can't have their way, they don't want anyone else to

similar coal groups are going after the frackers because of the gases that are released during the process; they're using environmental laws to try and shut the frackers down

can anyone else say hypocrites?

[Bear Creek]

52. Energy

Coal, gas, electric are all owned by the same people. Some say use electricity but it is still fossil fuel. Hydrogen fuel cells would be good for cars. Solar panels are not enough and do not work well here. I believe Ohio University is working with some newer technology.

[muntrv]

51. Republicans worst nightmare.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/12/1581522/-The-Republicans-Worst-Nightmare-Black-People-are-Voting-Early?detail=facebook

[Bear Creek]

54. Seen that article earlier

I remember the Kerry Vs Bush elections and the long wait times.

[msanthrope]

53. You seem concerned. Please feel free to air more of your concerns and enjoy your stay. nt

[Bear Creek]

59. Are you concerned?

Again article, discussion. I would think open discussion should be allowed. The right is my way or the highway. I just read an article thought it would bring about talking. As stated above in the post I believe Hillary will take Ohio. Polls are showing it blue. If by some disappointing circumstance Dump wins Ohio he will still lose.

[vdogg]

56. 33 posts

Hmmm...

[Adsos Letter]

60. Each of us had 33 posts at some point. n/t

[vdogg]

62. True, but I'm always suspicious

Of low post count users that come out of the gate concern trolling. Their posts are worded very similar, and have a common theme. They almost always point out how the democratic candidate is "in trouble" because of x poll or y news. Don't tell me you haven't seen this pattern?

[elleng]

58. 'Bad mouthing coal' has to be understood,

including things like facts, and what she and other candidates have said. I realize facts aren't popular, especially among folks like Kentucky's McConnell.

[Bear Creek]

61. Info commerical on radio or tv

Might work. No coal interests near here. Shouldn't the interview been somewhere where there actually are some coal miners? It was just an excuse to cast shadows.

[elleng]

63. Commercial radio or tv not interested, I suspect.

Only place for real info on PUBLIC channels. And of course, where there are miners would help, but need to go deep, into understanding the whole picture.

Part of the reason Martin O'Malley's efforts failed, ignorance 'preferable' for some:

Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/

[lindysalsagal]

64. electoral-vote has ohio HRC up 4 points in 4 polls, 2 days ago.

Ohio will be fine on average. There are pockets of confusion, but ther eare also lots of really sharp people who can tell this moron should not be given this power.

[Bear Creek]

65. Respect

As much as I don't want to Kasich refused Trump from the beginning. We had Strickland but Taft's damage could not be undone that fast. Been a supporter of Strickland since high school he had run several times against Harsha.

[DonCoquixote]

66. Mobilize Sherrod Brown

Not Dennis K. as he is more likely to be taking a Fox Paycheck and smoke weed with Jill Stein.