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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:35 PM Jun 2012

Saudi crown prince Nayef dead: state TV

Saudi Crown Prince Nayef bin Abdul Aziz, a half brother of King Abdullah and the long-serving interior minister of the kingdom, died on Saturday, state television announced.

The 79-year-old Prince Nayef, who was recently abroad for medical treatment, had "died outside the kingdom," said Al-Ekhbariyah Television, quoting a statement from the royal court.

http://www.france24.com/en/20120616-saudi-crown-prince-nayef-dead-state-tv

There yet may be progress in Arabia -- one funeral at a time.

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Saudi crown prince Nayef dead: state TV (Original Post) FarCenter Jun 2012 OP
As bad as the Saudi Royals are... they do largely keep the militants in line hlthe2b Jun 2012 #1
Yes. The U.S. has a history of supporting repressive regimes when it suits our economic interests. DCKit Jun 2012 #4
That was actually FDR about the president of Nicaragua. NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #5
Damn, I'm getting old. I thought it was far more recent. nt DCKit Jun 2012 #6
Well I'm sure other presidents have expressed the same thing though! NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #13
Yes... as much as I detest that, loss of S. Arabia to militant Islamists would be hlthe2b Jun 2012 #8
The Saudis are militant Islamists (but they're our militant Islamists) FarCenter Jun 2012 #9
I think you know very well what I meant...If I really have to explain I will, but I think it should hlthe2b Jun 2012 #11
Death of Saudi Crown Prince Nayef, who led crackdown on al-Qaeda, raises questions over succession FarCenter Jun 2012 #2
The parasite is dead, long live the parasite Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #3
Nayef was the head of the "Sudairi Seven," the competing faction within the Royal Family. leveymg Jun 2012 #7
Great - that means bin Talal is a hair away from the throne. Initech Jun 2012 #10
how so? keroro gunsou Jun 2012 #12
He owns huge stakes in Fox News and Citibank among other evil corporations. Initech Jun 2012 #14
One key difference though Ter Jun 2012 #15
Conflict of interest? Initech Jun 2012 #16
Not at all, there's an alliance of convenience between KSA and Israel leveymg Jun 2012 #18
Is he the one that made out with Bush? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #17

hlthe2b

(102,217 posts)
1. As bad as the Saudi Royals are... they do largely keep the militants in line
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:44 PM
Jun 2012

Be careful what you wish for...

And, yes, I am fully aware the 911 bombers were largely Saudi...

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
4. Yes. The U.S. has a history of supporting repressive regimes when it suits our economic interests.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:07 PM
Jun 2012

Was it Johnson or Eisenhower who said "Yeah, (insert name of South American dictator here) is a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch."

hlthe2b

(102,217 posts)
8. Yes... as much as I detest that, loss of S. Arabia to militant Islamists would be
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:46 PM
Jun 2012

catastrophic to the region. So, I may look at disdain at the devils we've chosen to back, but there have not been good alternatives, at least as far as S. Arabia goes. Had we not taken such a hard line stance on Iran--driving them into an fundamentalist Islamic state, we might have more options.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
9. The Saudis are militant Islamists (but they're our militant Islamists)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:51 PM
Jun 2012

Unlike Osama bin Laden, the Saudi princes have so far stayed bought.

hlthe2b

(102,217 posts)
11. I think you know very well what I meant...If I really have to explain I will, but I think it should
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:58 PM
Jun 2012

be unnecessary. S. Arabia's Royals for all the horrible things we could say in their regard, have not allowed for a theocracy to take over. They are a buffer to the most extreme forces.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
2. Death of Saudi Crown Prince Nayef, who led crackdown on al-Qaeda, raises questions over succession
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:55 PM
Jun 2012
Crown Prince Nayef, interior minister since 1975 and thought to be 78, was the heir to Saudi King Abdullah and was appointed crown prince in October after the death of his elder brother, Crown Prince Sultan. He is among the nearly 40 sons of Saudi Arabia's founder, Abdulaziz ibn Saud, who established the kingdom in 1935.

...

The Crown Prince had a reputation for being a conservative: he was believed to be closer than many of his brothers to the powerful Wahhabi religious establishment that gives legitimacy to the royal family, and at times he worked to give a freer hand to the religious police who enforce strict social rules.

...

Soon after becoming crown prince, he vowed at a conference of clerics that Saudi Arabia would "never sway from and never compromise on" its adherence to the puritanical, ultraconservative Wahhabi doctrine. The ideology, he proclaimed "is the source of the kingdom's pride, success and progress."

...

The 9/11 attacks at first strained ties between the two allies. For months, the kingdom refused to acknowledge any of its citizens were involved in the suicide airline bombings, until finally Prince Nayef became the first Saudi official to publicly confirm that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, in a February 2002 interview.

But later that year he told an Arabic-language Kuwaiti daily that Jews were behind the attacks, because they had benefited from subsequent criticism of Islam and Arabs. He came under heavy criticism in the U.S., especially because he was the man in charge of Saudi investigations into the attack.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/9335702/Death-of-Saudi-Crown-Prince-Nayef-who-led-crackdown-on-al-Qaeda-raises-questions-over-succession.html

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
7. Nayef was the head of the "Sudairi Seven," the competing faction within the Royal Family.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jun 2012

This is very significant, as it removes yet another obstacle to complete control over the Kingdom by Abdullah and his backers, who are generally viewed as more pro-western (but, it isn't quite that simple - nothing is in KSA)

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. Not at all, there's an alliance of convenience between KSA and Israel
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:48 PM
Jun 2012

What they have in common is Iran and the US. One they want to annihilate, the other they just want to cash cow to death.

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