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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf you find yourself more upset at a football player than at the murder of unarmed black men
Then you have serious issues with race and black people in particular. You are becomming obsolete and need to wake the hell up. Black lives matter more than your stupid feelings about what you think black people are allowed to do.
If a pair of piggy socks on a football player has you running for your smelling salts and fainting couch, then you need a Time Machine so you can go Antebellum in a time where it did not make you look like an ignorant fool. Because this here day? It just makes you look like a nasty idiot who thinks black folks owe something to you for being allowed to exist.
Expect more piggy socks and protests. Until you stand with black lives, you are against black lives and we will ignore the silly temper tantrums, and allow the changing demographics to help us force this nation to treat us with dignity and respect. I see the whiners and those puffed up with their own importance as just like the folks holding "Segregation forever!" signs. So, like I said, black lives matter more than your stupid fee fee about pledges and piggy socks.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I could care less if he sits down or stands up, it is not high on my priorities list.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)"forced allegiance is the antithesis of freedom"
malaise
(268,724 posts)It's unfuggingbelievable
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'm firmly convinced at this point that anyone overly concerned about his socks and righteously railing about how "bad it is for the cause" are simply looking for an excuse to be offended by black people. It's even more absurd than complaining "someone could potentially be late for work!!!" when a protest of march occurs.
It illustrates (ironically) our true colors.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)And his socks are dehumanizing them.
And stuff...
And things...
Oh and he wore a t-shirt... With people from Cuba and Harlem on it.
clarice
(5,504 posts)gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)And not all black citizens are criminals.
I'm not angry at either.
Can't use a broad brush to paint either side one way or another.
It is what it is till it is not.
sheshe2
(83,667 posts)Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)Wearing socks with pigs with cop hats is equal to Palin calling all black youth "thugs".
I can't in good conscience label any group of people across the board by the actions of a few.
Just my opinion.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Because of this nonsense over his socks, he released a statement about it. Not all cops, rogue cops who continue to discriminate against black lives. The San Francisco Police Department has been having many issues in dealing with race.
Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)Public figure goes on national TV and makes statement by not standing for the pledge of allegiance.
Public figure knows he will be in the center of a shit storm both pro and con for his,actions.
Public figure gives press conference explaining his action.
Public figure knows he is under the scrutiny of media and wears clothing that will get a rise out of some folks.
Public figure yet again releases a statement that explains why he is doing what he is doing for his cause.
He is doing this because he knows it will be talked about and he is willing to take the heat for his actions.
You and I do not have to explain why we would do such a thing. We are nobodies in the big picture of things.
Public figures on the other hand are under the microscope...he knows that...thats why he is making a statement. People will both hear and respond to it.
He knows how to play the game both on and off the field.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Same folks crying about it say fuck all when they see a confederate flag tshirt so they can float
Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)Is he knows that people will be talking about it.
He us using his fame in a good way..
He wants people to duscuss and debate the topic of cops shooting innocent people.
It's not a black and white world. We live in between. .the grey zone.
What I disagree with in his presentation of the message is he could have worn socks with the names of those innocents who were killed at the hands of the police.
Instead he wore something that paints all cops as pigs.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Who are killed by cops, the very same cops who lie and cover up for each other. But sure, lets pretend that the piggy socks are the real problem.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)done to actual black human lives. This whole thing is bullshit. It's a non-issue. They should just leave him alone.
Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)Holy cow!
He is doing this to make a point that will be DISCUSSED by alot of people.
This is what he wants to happen.
He does not want to be left alone.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It just black people, no biggie if we are murdered by agents of the state.
Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)Where did anyone say that in this thread?
Me thinks thou protests too much.
This thread is 15 minutes of my life I can't get back.
Color me gone...good luck with whatever message you are trying to get across.
You totally lost me.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And not have bothered
brush
(53,743 posts)You must have responded to the wrong post, because someone else is coming off a lot worse.
brush
(53,743 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Too right. Geez, the things people get all worked up about. And in the meantime, Trump has gone full Third Reich and babies are dying in Syria.
sheshe2
(83,667 posts)That doesn't work for me. There are thousands of cops out there. Yet there is only one Sarah Palin. False equivalence.
Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)Can't blame them all for the acts of a couple dozen.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)We just buried a cop here who answered a domestic violence call. A tweeker was beating up his wife and kids. The officer showed up and was greeted by a shotgun blast to the face.
I look at people on a person by person basis.
That cop died trying to help someone.
To me that means something.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Equally horrific and equally tragic.
The problem comes in when people attempt to diminish the death of one group over another ... such as bringing up the death of one group (in this case a cop) as being more important than the death of another (such as poC)
How do you feel about Laquan MacDonald .... the cop that shot him, the cops that supported his story .... and the videotape that showed they all lied? Pretty horrific situation ... certainly as horrible as the cop's death you note.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Living while black should not be an "occupational hazard."
msongs
(67,367 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Once a week in 'Merica, actually once every 6 (6.3 days) or so days and unarmed person is killed by the police.
Compound this with the 100's of millions of dollars that cities through the US pay out each year for civil rights violations, excessive force, misconduct, beatings, etc... in 2014 the cities with the 10 largest police forces paid out a hair under $250 million dollars combined.
Then you have the "good officers", you know the ones who stand by and do nothing when they see a fellow officer breaking the law. Then you have more officers who work ever so diligently to help cover for that bad apple when they are investigating themselves. Brings to mind those detectives who deleted surveillance video of a police shooting from that Burger King in Chicago. Or those other officers who arrest or point weapons at people who are filming the police committing a crime. Or those officers who threaten to take away people's children if they seek to file a complaint or lawsuit. It's a far larger issue than you project it to be.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They have the power of the state behind them. They need to go first.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Nitram
(22,768 posts)culture of racism and/or covering up other cops' crimes. The majority of cops are not killers, but the majority are willing to cover up for the killers.
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In_The_Wind
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)minor issue must be expressing disinterest in more major ones also needs to wake up, settle into an easychair, engage brain, and start examining for personal issues with lack of tolerance and empathy. Splashing divisive terms like "you" and "we" 180 degrees out at others, but not at all oneself or one's "own," are major red flags.
MichMan
(11,870 posts)clarice
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Brickbat
(19,339 posts)arithia
(455 posts)the comments on a post/article about racism justify the post/article.
Is there a Lewis' Law for racial issues? If not, there needs to be. ~_~
sheshe2
(83,667 posts)So much outrage over the socks. Where are they when black people are being murdered? Stinking socks are far more important than a black persons life? The outrage is inappropriate and disproportionate to the men and women that are dying so needlessly because of the color of their skin.
Yes, some cops are evil and have no place in law enforcement. Here is a good example.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154377636852778&set=pcb.10154377726007778&type=3&theater
clarice
(5,504 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)If they want respect for their job from us they need to RESPECT US FIRST.
clarice
(5,504 posts)don't like stereotyping any individual group for my own specific agendar
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Where is your outrage for the years of cops stereotyping blacks? Two wrongs dont make a right but it certainly evens SHIT up a bit.
clarice
(5,504 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)I don't let my kid get away with that excuse and it doesn't fly for anyone else either.
brush
(53,743 posts)And they know who they are.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)A fellow officer do something wrong is just as guilty as the cop who is doing it.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Exactly Exilednight!
Saviolo
(3,280 posts)Is when they actively cover up for a criminal colleague's activities.
Apologists always talk about a "few rotten apples."
But you know what they say about the rotten apple? It spoils the whole barrel!
mgardener
(1,812 posts)He said he did not stand and most of the Vets he knew did not stand for the anthem when they got out of the service.
After serving in the military, they felt betrayed but the country they served.
I remember the outrage back then too.
It is a free country.
clarice
(5,504 posts)On the back bumper. I pulled up beside him.. rolled down the window and said" Thanks for your service
it means a lot to many of us? The look on his face was all
the thanks I needed.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)If someone is right, the right will survive, despite the years,
but of someone is wrong, then they will do themselves in by their own foolishness.
All the same, it says a lot that people pay attention to some kid whose main talent was throwing a ball around than a teacher, and before anyone thinks that is a racist shot, I will say it looks even sillier when someone like Tim Tebow rides that train to fame.
Seriously, they make fun of pig socks, but did not slam Tebow?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Golden boy
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)where was all this outrage when Tebow was trying to willingly let himself be used to shove GOP ideology down our throat? I could care less if he became clergy on his timeclock, but either football is or is not a place for people to express themselves.
And as far as dead cops, my college roommate was a cop who got killed because the idiot redneck Tampa cops cuffed a good ol boy in the front, while failing to realize he had a HANDCUFF KEY around his neck. I guarantee you, no black man would have been cuffed in front. As much as we do realize the police have a bad job (made worse by politicos who are mostly white) we need to see THEM protest the actions of people who after all, are making their jobs harder. When I see Cops at protests getting arrested by fellow cops, then we might get somewhere.
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)I saw quite a bit of well earned mockery of Tim Tebow. Perhaps you were not paying attention.
Tell me again, what team is Tim playing for and show me his list of endorsements, he is a punchline now, right next to Johnny Football, Teo and the Boz.
I support everyone's right to be a fool, and the right of the people to mock them.
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,088 posts)mcar
(42,278 posts)Ditto amazing athlete Gabby Douglas and her disrespect!!11
My kid refused to stand for the pledge his last two years in HS. SO and I supported his choice.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)Exactly!
Stellar
(5,644 posts)"If you have no interest in equal rights for Black people, do not make suggestions for those who do....sit down!"
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)He's a football player who I'd never heard of before this. I've long believed that people put too much stock in what sports figures do (yes, I know they're role models to kids) or don't do instead of the issues that really matter. It's not like he was violent against his wife or girlfriend or child, or fiddled with the footballs to fix a game. There was nothing illegal about his actions. I just don't give a rat's ass if he stands, sit or does handsprings.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Response to bravenak (Original post)
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jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Response to jtuck004 (Reply #60)
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jtuck004
(15,882 posts)rights and then disrespect him with your words "pampered athlete". I am guessing he worked his ass off to get where he is, a lot harder than being an internet rando taking potshots from the lazyboy.
"But don't disrespect our flag or our national anthem." < You might want to re-acquaint yourself with the reason for his protest."
You will notice in this drawing that the object actively evades the point. Surely you can guess the reason I chose it.
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It is the national anthem specifically which refers to slavery, and it represents a racist country which is over policing black folks, because black lives don't matter. He can speak for himself, but that is one of the things I think he, and if he would allow me to sit next to him, and I find abhorrent, and not worth standing for. Not much of a country if it can't stand such protest.
People are fucking noticing, partly because he is making it hard for them to ignore it.
It's too bad there aren't more big tough ball players willing to sit and confront racism.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)It has plenty meaning to us black folks that you just may not be aware of.Might be time to broaden your horizons.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think People should care more about dead unarmed black men than Colin's socks.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)White folks don't have a hundred caveats before they are afforded respect. We do not base human respect on your feelings.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)You don't get to enforce it on people.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)White people already receive a certain amount of respect from police officers.
Black people don't.
That's the problem.
Everybody should be treated the same, but they aren't.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Nobody gets instant respect from me just because of the color of their skin. They especially don't get it unquestioningly.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I can comment on someone just fine without respecting them.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Talk about priorities
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)with a sawed-off shotgun.
Both people--the murdering sociopath and the innocent person waiting in line at a Wendy's--were black, and neither of them were cops.
All you're doing is attempting to shame people into following your very narrow and borderline Marxist ideology that doesn't even address the real threat to black lives, because it's all Black Lives Matter knows--well, besides how to say shit like "what do we want, dead cops" and "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" and demand reparations and other free shit. No attention to the many thousands of black lives taken by gang violence, just focus squarely on the handful of unjustified shootings by law enforcement
Talk about priorities, indeed.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Are all of us negroes responsible for your friend's cousin? My unarmed BLACK homeboy was murdered by a young white man at Carrs grocery, should I get buck on all young white dudes and start defending the concept if killing them with the power of the state behind us? No. That shit came from way outta left field and I suggest checking self lest we wreck self.
Please tell me what the fuck the rest of the black community had to do with that killing, what Colin or his socks had to do with it, or what it has to do with my op? Surprised at you. Shouldn't be tho. Makes it sound like your friend got killed because of black lives matter, Colin, and his fucking piggy socks. Did they time travel?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)You can find a handful of protesters stating those comments, and you can also find many police making racist comments right back.
Here's the difference though. There is a reason why black people do not trust the police. The onus is now on the police department to regain that trust.
And the onus is on all of us to recognize the systemic racism still exists, and quite profoundly, and to stand up and say so.
I don't understand why so many want to pretend it's not there, or worse, blame people who are still without equality.
It's no skin off of your back to acknowledge these facts. None.
Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)... post in this thread. You should make it an OP for visibility.
brush
(53,743 posts)He's protesting against the killing of innocent black men, not veterans.
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JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Of private corporations to commercially exploit a country's natural resources, in the last century anyways. The US already does a fine job of sullying themselves.
roody
(10,849 posts)Nowhere near the US most likely? Duh.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)Represents America as a whole. Thousands have died defending it and what it represents. I do not think America as a whole is all bad/evil it is not perfect but certainly not all bad.
Mr. Kaepernick is free to protest however he wants that is his right. I personally do not agree with his tack. There are better ways for Mr. Kaepernick (especially given his resources/position) to bring attention to the issue of police brutality that leaves the focus on the police and does not draw it away from them onto him. I also do not agree with the premise that if one does not agree with Mr. Kaepernick's method one is also a racist. That is a myopic view and adds no value to further the debate/conversation which is exactly what is needed to find a solution/resolution to the problem.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It appears they may just have a race issues that they need to confront.
Saviolo
(3,280 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)People who serve do so out of a sense of duty. We defend, or in my case defended, ideas and practices. We didn't defend a flag, we didn't defend a song, we defended what we believe in.
I believe I was defending freedom of speech, such as CK is doing. I believe I defended the right to each person's unreasonable search and seizure from those who serve and are suppose to protect us. I served for those that are arrested to be judged by a jury of their peers.
What I didn't serve for is those that are meant to protect us to play judge, jury and executioner.
brer cat
(24,525 posts)Well put, bravenak!
secondwind
(16,903 posts)LittleDuckie
(42 posts)or disapproving of his actions doesn't actually mean that someone cares more about his behavior than that of killer cops. But you know that. You're just trying to shame people into agreeing with you, even if you have to resort to dishonest, irrational, abusive tactics to do it. Unfortunately (for you), most people see through this sort of bullying and won't fall for it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Anybody spending more energy whining about his piggy sicks than worrying about dead unarned black men is a shallow shit.
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Welcome to identity politics and social justice, where disagreement and bigotry are the same thing.
betsuni
(25,380 posts)Why is this comment still here? I hoped it would be removed because it's textbook right wing.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Textbook rightwing posts and aren't being removed but DU has long had a problem with letting shit like that stand.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Identity politics and the "social justice" movement are completely anti-liberal. They favor equality of outcome over equality of opportunity, routinely censor themselves and others around them for not following their politics lockstep (thanks for proving this one, by the way), and demand taking people's word on faith simply because of the color of their skin or their gender rather than with a healthy eye of skepticism--hell, any reasonable skepticism gets called bigotry.
LittleDuckie
(42 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)When the hell in America has there ever been this vaunted 'equality of opportunity' for all people, regardless of gender or colour? It does not exist yet. There never has been equality of opportunity ( if I am wrong name a fucking date when we all had equal opportunity), that is a,MYTH that those who do not fall into marginalized categories ysed as a cudgel to try to maintain their privilege for as long as they can.
Honest.Dem
(30 posts)It's possible to support the Black Lives Matter's movement and still disagree with certain accusations by Bravenak.
let's just say that I think you are very transparent and I am not falling for it.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)that K is now entrenched firmly under the bus for taking pokes at a certain sacred cow.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)jack_krass
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's nothing new. It was comical for a while. Now, it's just boring.
But, hey... tradition.
melman
(7,681 posts)dishonest, irrational, abusive tactics area all some people have to offer. Sad really.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)A young nigga got it bad cause I'm brown
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I went to High School in that same city. Everybody I know was abused by the police at some point. Aint nothing changed.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)Point out some crooked cops and they'll whine 'It's no fair that you put us in the same cart as a few bad apples.'
Yet when it comes to black crime, those some people won't have a problem dismissing everyone as a 'thug' because of a few bad apples
Fuck that noise
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They act like they don't see the double standard. They do. Just dont care.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)is now I have to admit that Colin Kaepernick has a soul. Let's just say SF is not my favorite team.... Now I have to reevaluate. Also less than pleased with my own Carolina Panthers QB comments on the topic
We should remember that a mediocre college squad got a racist university president fired recently when they threatened to boycott the season. Imagine what could happen if pros got involved.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I could actually hear Jeff Foxworthy sayin' this in my head!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)a man who spews right-wing talking points about our Democratic nominee for president, you might be on the wrong website.
Colin Kaepernick
This is Democratic Underground, not BLM Underground. Anyone posting that right-wing bullshit here would get banned.
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TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)He made a comment you didn't like. Oh noes!!1! You're on the right side of history, after all...
melman
(7,681 posts)Honest.Dem
(30 posts)suggesting that she should be "in prison".
bravenak
(34,648 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm upset about the systemic racism in this country.
Buzz Clik
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Glassunion
(10,201 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)When adults are ready to talk about serious issues then some progress can be made.
Any moment now I'm sure...
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Death of any human should surely be more upsetting than someone not standing for a pledge.
Loki
(3,825 posts)And actually believe the words of the Constitution will we become a country that lives its values not just talks about it. We will always need those willing to make that stand for those words "Freedom and justice for all."
martin mike
(82 posts)game, set, match.
wryter2000
(46,023 posts)martin mike
(82 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Nope! Not yet, but hopefully most Americans will continue to strive for it to be truth.
I'm disgusted with those who are outraged at Kapernick because he is doing what Americans have fought for centuries to give people the right to do. Protest injustice peacefully. These same faux "Patriots" blame the very victims of senseless shootings, and then are incensed when someone dares uses their god-given Patriotic right to bravely to protest injustice other Americans are experiencing on a daily basis. You wouldn't think it was brave to sit out on a pledge that rings false, but it really is considering the ridiculous backlash.
allan01
(1,950 posts)i remember the black power salute at the mexico cyt 1968 games . but but its ok for jehovas witnesses not to say the pledge or turn their back on the the flag . hem double standard. they are even allowed to leave class
marble falls
(57,014 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)would love to see those!