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Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:44 PM

 

If you find yourself more upset at a football player than at the murder of unarmed black men

Then you have serious issues with race and black people in particular. You are becomming obsolete and need to wake the hell up. Black lives matter more than your stupid feelings about what you think black people are allowed to do.

If a pair of piggy socks on a football player has you running for your smelling salts and fainting couch, then you need a Time Machine so you can go Antebellum in a time where it did not make you look like an ignorant fool. Because this here day? It just makes you look like a nasty idiot who thinks black folks owe something to you for being allowed to exist.

Expect more piggy socks and protests. Until you stand with black lives, you are against black lives and we will ignore the silly temper tantrums, and allow the changing demographics to help us force this nation to treat us with dignity and respect. I see the whiners and those puffed up with their own importance as just like the folks holding "Segregation forever!" signs. So, like I said, black lives matter more than your stupid fee fee about pledges and piggy socks.



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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:50 PM

1. K&R

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:52 PM

2. I keep hearing it is a free country, until it isn't.

 

I could care less if he sits down or stands up, it is not high on my priorities list.

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Response to Rex (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:15 PM

40. Someone here said it the other day...

 

"forced allegiance is the antithesis of freedom"

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:55 PM

3. Well said Sis

It's unfuggingbelievable

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:57 PM

4. Anyone overly concerned about his socks are simply looking for an excuse...

I'm firmly convinced at this point that anyone overly concerned about his socks and righteously railing about how "bad it is for the cause" are simply looking for an excuse to be offended by black people. It's even more absurd than complaining "someone could potentially be late for work!!!" when a protest of march occurs.

It illustrates (ironically) our true colors.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:58 PM

5. But, but, but... He's attacking the police by sitting.

And his socks are dehumanizing them.

And stuff...

And things...

Oh and he wore a t-shirt... With people from Cuba and Harlem on it.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:35 PM

15. Well then...I'm gonna do that stuff too...and things. nt

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:59 PM

6. Absolutely!!!

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:00 PM

7. Not all cops are killers...

 

And not all black citizens are criminals.

I'm not angry at either.

Can't use a broad brush to paint either side one way or another.

It is what it is till it is not.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:10 PM

9. She never said all cops are killers. nt

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:36 PM

17. I was referring to Kapernick

 

Wearing socks with pigs with cop hats is equal to Palin calling all black youth "thugs".

I can't in good conscience label any group of people across the board by the actions of a few.

Just my opinion.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:41 PM

22. He has uncles who are police officers.

 

Because of this nonsense over his socks, he released a statement about it. Not all cops, rogue cops who continue to discriminate against black lives. The San Francisco Police Department has been having many issues in dealing with race.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:45 PM

24. He should have put that message on his socks.

 

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:58 PM

32. He should not have to. He can wear whatever the hell he wants to.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:17 PM

41. That's not how the game is played.

 

Public figure goes on national TV and makes statement by not standing for the pledge of allegiance.

Public figure knows he will be in the center of a shit storm both pro and con for his,actions.

Public figure gives press conference explaining his action.

Public figure knows he is under the scrutiny of media and wears clothing that will get a rise out of some folks.

Public figure yet again releases a statement that explains why he is doing what he is doing for his cause.

He is doing this because he knows it will be talked about and he is willing to take the heat for his actions.

You and I do not have to explain why we would do such a thing. We are nobodies in the big picture of things.

Public figures on the other hand are under the microscope...he knows that...thats why he is making a statement. People will both hear and respond to it.

He knows how to play the game both on and off the field.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #41)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:22 PM

45. He can wear whatever the fuck he wants to

 

Same folks crying about it say fuck all when they see a confederate flag tshirt so they can float

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Response to bravenak (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:31 PM

47. Of course he can but the point if him doing it

 

Is he knows that people will be talking about it.
He us using his fame in a good way..

He wants people to duscuss and debate the topic of cops shooting innocent people.


It's not a black and white world. We live in between. .the grey zone.

What I disagree with in his presentation of the message is he could have worn socks with the names of those innocents who were killed at the hands of the police.

Instead he wore something that paints all cops as pigs.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:03 PM

65. I see the piggy socks are more upsetting than dead unarmed black men

 

Who are killed by cops, the very same cops who lie and cover up for each other. But sure, lets pretend that the piggy socks are the real problem.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #65)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:11 PM

67. I have no problem with what he did. It pales in comparison to what is being

done to actual black human lives. This whole thing is bullshit. It's a non-issue. They should just leave him alone.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #67)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:54 PM

69. If they left him alone then what's the point?

 

Holy cow!
He is doing this to make a point that will be DISCUSSED by alot of people.

This is what he wants to happen.
He does not want to be left alone.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #69)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:13 PM

70. He wants cops to stop killing unarmed black men. I guess that dont matter tho.

 

It just black people, no biggie if we are murdered by agents of the state.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #70)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:20 PM

75. All I can say is wow.

 

Where did anyone say that in this thread?

Me thinks thou protests too much.

This thread is 15 minutes of my life I can't get back.

Color me gone...good luck with whatever message you are trying to get across.

You totally lost me.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #75)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:22 PM

79. You may as well have saved your self 15 minutes

 

And not have bothered

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #75)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:34 PM

89. Leave it alone. You're not coming off well at all in this exchange.

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Response to brush (Reply #89)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:11 AM

97. lol

 

You must have responded to the wrong post, because someone else is coming off a lot worse.

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Response to melman (Reply #97)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:15 AM

99. That's your opinion. And who was talking to you?

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Response to brush (Reply #89)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 10:28 AM

116. They nailed it. nt.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:42 PM

50. Uh huh

Too right. Geez, the things people get all worked up about. And in the meantime, Trump has gone full Third Reich and babies are dying in Syria.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:44 PM

23. Sorry.

That doesn't work for me. There are thousands of cops out there. Yet there is only one Sarah Palin. False equivalence.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:47 PM

25. There are hundreds of thousands of cops out there

 

Can't blame them all for the acts of a couple dozen.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:52 PM

28. You can blame them for the "Blue wall of silence" ... and I do!!!!!

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #28)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:03 PM

34. That's your choice.

 

We just buried a cop here who answered a domestic violence call. A tweeker was beating up his wife and kids. The officer showed up and was greeted by a shotgun blast to the face.

I look at people on a person by person basis.

That cop died trying to help someone.

To me that means something.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:11 PM

37. It is tragic ... but, it is no more tragic than the murder of citizens at the hands of police

Equally horrific and equally tragic.


The problem comes in when people attempt to diminish the death of one group over another ... such as bringing up the death of one group (in this case a cop) as being more important than the death of another (such as poC)

How do you feel about Laquan MacDonald .... the cop that shot him, the cops that supported his story .... and the videotape that showed they all lied? Pretty horrific situation ... certainly as horrible as the cop's death you note.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:11 PM

38. That has nothing to do with the blue wall of silence

 

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 10:30 AM

117. Occupational hazard. It's frightening how you are connecting these things.

 

Living while black should not be an "occupational hazard."

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:38 PM

62. "a couple of dozen". yeah right nt

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #25)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:15 AM

124. It's far more than a couple of dozen.

Once a week in 'Merica, actually once every 6 (6.3 days) or so days and unarmed person is killed by the police.

Compound this with the 100's of millions of dollars that cities through the US pay out each year for civil rights violations, excessive force, misconduct, beatings, etc... in 2014 the cities with the 10 largest police forces paid out a hair under $250 million dollars combined.

Then you have the "good officers", you know the ones who stand by and do nothing when they see a fellow officer breaking the law. Then you have more officers who work ever so diligently to help cover for that bad apple when they are investigating themselves. Brings to mind those detectives who deleted surveillance video of a police shooting from that Burger King in Chicago. Or those other officers who arrest or point weapons at people who are filming the police committing a crime. Or those officers who threaten to take away people's children if they seek to file a complaint or lawsuit. It's a far larger issue than you project it to be.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:31 PM

12. As soon as they stop treating us all like criminals we can stop treating them like killers

 

They have the power of the state behind them. They need to go first.

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:36 PM

18. This^. nt

 

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Response to Dreamweaver 5.0 (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:48 PM

54. Dream, you're missing the point. Like it or not, cops are armed and are exhibiting a nationwide

culture of racism and/or covering up other cops' crimes. The majority of cops are not killers, but the majority are willing to cover up for the killers.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:01 PM

8. K & R !

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:18 PM

11. True. But anyone who assumes someone giving attention to a

minor issue must be expressing disinterest in more major ones also needs to wake up, settle into an easychair, engage brain, and start examining for personal issues with lack of tolerance and empathy. Splashing divisive terms like "you" and "we" 180 degrees out at others, but not at all oneself or one's "own," are major red flags.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:33 PM

13. He also said Hillary should be in prison; can I be upset at that? n/t

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Response to MichMan (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:38 PM

21. No....absolutely not !!!! Don't even THINK about it. nt

 

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Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:37 PM

20. What the fuck is this shit right here.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:01 PM

33. much like feminism

the comments on a post/article about racism justify the post/article.

Is there a Lewis' Law for racial issues? If not, there needs to be. ~_~

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:35 PM

16. I find it amusing in an incredibly sad way.

So much outrage over the socks. Where are they when black people are being murdered? Stinking socks are far more important than a black persons life? The outrage is inappropriate and disproportionate to the men and women that are dying so needlessly because of the color of their skin.

Yes, some cops are evil and have no place in law enforcement. Here is a good example.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154377636852778&set=pcb.10154377726007778&type=3&theater

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:37 PM

19. And yet... the vast majority don't fit into that category. nt

 

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Response to clarice (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:57 PM

31. So what? The vast majority of blacks are not criminals but we get treated as such.

 

If they want respect for their job from us they need to RESPECT US FIRST.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:18 PM

42. I have never thought that all Black people are criminals !!! I just

 

don't like stereotyping any individual group for my own specific agendar

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Response to clarice (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:25 PM

46. They stereotype us and get stereotyped back so why are you only upset when it goes one way?

 

Where is your outrage for the years of cops stereotyping blacks? Two wrongs dont make a right but it certainly evens SHIT up a bit.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:31 PM

48. I've never tried to make a point using anger and incivility as a tool. I guess We're just different.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #46)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:33 AM

130. Little Timmy down the road stole some candy so you should be able to as well?

 

I don't let my kid get away with that excuse and it doesn't fly for anyone else either.

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Response to clarice (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:38 PM

91. And the vast majority don't speak up against the rotten, racist apples in their midst.

And they know who they are.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:48 PM

26. Every cop that keeps their mouth shut and refuse to speak up when they see

A fellow officer do something wrong is just as guilty as the cop who is doing it.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #26)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:54 PM

29. Exactly n/t

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #26)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:56 PM

30. Yes!

Exactly Exilednight!

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:10 AM

123. Even worse than passive silence

Is when they actively cover up for a criminal colleague's activities.

Apologists always talk about a "few rotten apples."

But you know what they say about the rotten apple? It spoils the whole barrel!

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 06:51 PM

27. Husband is a Vet from Vietnam era

He said he did not stand and most of the Vets he knew did not stand for the anthem when they got out of the service.
After serving in the military, they felt betrayed but the country they served.
I remember the outrage back then too.
It is a free country.

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Response to mgardener (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:44 PM

51. I was in traffic today and the car in front of me had a "Proud Vietnam Vet" sticker..

 

On the back bumper. I pulled up beside him.. rolled down the window and said" Thanks for your service
it means a lot to many of us? The look on his face was all
the thanks I needed.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:05 PM

35. Indeed

If someone is right, the right will survive, despite the years,
but of someone is wrong, then they will do themselves in by their own foolishness.

All the same, it says a lot that people pay attention to some kid whose main talent was throwing a ball around than a teacher, and before anyone thinks that is a racist shot, I will say it looks even sillier when someone like Tim Tebow rides that train to fame.

Seriously, they make fun of pig socks, but did not slam Tebow?

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:07 PM

36. But Tebow was white, tho

 

Golden boy

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Response to bravenak (Reply #36)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:12 PM

39. My point was

where was all this outrage when Tebow was trying to willingly let himself be used to shove GOP ideology down our throat? I could care less if he became clergy on his timeclock, but either football is or is not a place for people to express themselves.

And as far as dead cops, my college roommate was a cop who got killed because the idiot redneck Tampa cops cuffed a good ol boy in the front, while failing to realize he had a HANDCUFF KEY around his neck. I guarantee you, no black man would have been cuffed in front. As much as we do realize the police have a bad job (made worse by politicos who are mostly white) we need to see THEM protest the actions of people who after all, are making their jobs harder. When I see Cops at protests getting arrested by fellow cops, then we might get somewhere.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #36)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 10:45 AM

118. Who was incessantly mocked and parodied.

I saw quite a bit of well earned mockery of Tim Tebow. Perhaps you were not paying attention.







Tell me again, what team is Tim playing for and show me his list of endorsements, he is a punchline now, right next to Johnny Football, Teo and the Boz.

I support everyone's right to be a fool, and the right of the people to mock them.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:20 PM

43. K&R to infinity...

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:20 PM

44. Flashback to 1969

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:40 PM

49. I struggle to figure out why anyone cares about this

Ditto amazing athlete Gabby Douglas and her disrespect!!11

My kid refused to stand for the pledge his last two years in HS. SO and I supported his choice.

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Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:46 PM

52. "If you find yourself more upset at a football player than at the murder of unarmed black men..."

Exactly!

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:47 PM

53. Jesse Williams said...

"If you have no interest in equal rights for Black people, do not make suggestions for those who do....sit down!"

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 07:54 PM

55. Here's my thing with this.

He's a football player who I'd never heard of before this. I've long believed that people put too much stock in what sports figures do (yes, I know they're role models to kids) or don't do instead of the issues that really matter. It's not like he was violent against his wife or girlfriend or child, or fiddled with the footballs to fix a game. There was nothing illegal about his actions. I just don't give a rat's ass if he stands, sit or does handsprings.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #55)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:21 PM

77. I agree

 

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Response to camelfan (Reply #56)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:24 PM

60. So you would prefer that he protest from the back of the bus. Got it. n/t

 

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Response to camelfan (Reply #61)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:59 PM

64. I don't care whether I "got" you or not. You state that you respect his

 

rights and then disrespect him with your words "pampered athlete". I am guessing he worked his ass off to get where he is, a lot harder than being an internet rando taking potshots from the lazyboy.

"But don't disrespect our flag or our national anthem." < You might want to re-acquaint yourself with the reason for his protest."

You will notice in this drawing that the object actively evades the point. Surely you can guess the reason I chose it.

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It is the national anthem specifically which refers to slavery, and it represents a racist country which is over policing black folks, because black lives don't matter. He can speak for himself, but that is one of the things I think he, and if he would allow me to sit next to him, and I find abhorrent, and not worth standing for. Not much of a country if it can't stand such protest.

People are fucking noticing, partly because he is making it hard for them to ignore it.

It's too bad there aren't more big tough ball players willing to sit and confront racism.

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Response to camelfan (Reply #68)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:18 PM

72. Why the hell should you get to decide what or how he should protest?

 

It has plenty meaning to us black folks that you just may not be aware of.Might be time to broaden your horizons.

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Response to camelfan (Reply #74)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:24 PM

80. I have an opinion-

 

I think People should care more about dead unarmed black men than Colin's socks.

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Response to camelfan (Reply #56)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:05 PM

66. No fucking butz. Respect or move the hell on.

 

White folks don't have a hundred caveats before they are afforded respect. We do not base human respect on your feelings.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #66)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:21 PM

73. Nobody has to respect a person if they feel they haven't earned it from them.

 

You don't get to enforce it on people.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #73)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:21 PM

78. Here's the thing,

 

White people already receive a certain amount of respect from police officers.

Black people don't.

That's the problem.

Everybody should be treated the same, but they aren't.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #78)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:25 PM

82. We're not talking about police officers here.

 

Nobody gets instant respect from me just because of the color of their skin. They especially don't get it unquestioningly.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #73)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:25 PM

81. Then move on. You aint gotta respect, if you dont, kick rocks.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #81)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:27 PM

84. No.

 

I can comment on someone just fine without respecting them.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #84)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:31 PM

87. And I will simply remind how fake it is to care more sbout his socks than black lives

 

Talk about priorities

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Response to bravenak (Reply #87)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:48 PM

94. My friend's cousin was blown in half by a drug dealing punk

 

with a sawed-off shotgun.

Both people--the murdering sociopath and the innocent person waiting in line at a Wendy's--were black, and neither of them were cops.

All you're doing is attempting to shame people into following your very narrow and borderline Marxist ideology that doesn't even address the real threat to black lives, because it's all Black Lives Matter knows--well, besides how to say shit like "what do we want, dead cops" and "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" and demand reparations and other free shit. No attention to the many thousands of black lives taken by gang violence, just focus squarely on the handful of unjustified shootings by law enforcement

Talk about priorities, indeed.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #94)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:57 PM

96. What the actual fuck does that have to do with piggy socks OR unarmed murdered black men.

 

Are all of us negroes responsible for your friend's cousin? My unarmed BLACK homeboy was murdered by a young white man at Carrs grocery, should I get buck on all young white dudes and start defending the concept if killing them with the power of the state behind us? No. That shit came from way outta left field and I suggest checking self lest we wreck self.
Please tell me what the fuck the rest of the black community had to do with that killing, what Colin or his socks had to do with it, or what it has to do with my op? Surprised at you. Shouldn't be tho. Makes it sound like your friend got killed because of black lives matter, Colin, and his fucking piggy socks. Did they time travel?

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #94)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:13 AM

98. That's unfair Nuke, and frankly it's O'Reilly sounding.

 

You can find a handful of protesters stating those comments, and you can also find many police making racist comments right back.

Here's the difference though. There is a reason why black people do not trust the police. The onus is now on the police department to regain that trust.

And the onus is on all of us to recognize the systemic racism still exists, and quite profoundly, and to stand up and say so.

I don't understand why so many want to pretend it's not there, or worse, blame people who are still without equality.

It's no skin off of your back to acknowledge these facts. None.






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Response to KMOD (Reply #98)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 08:51 AM

109. That is the most rational and insightful...

... post in this thread. You should make it an OP for visibility.

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Response to camelfan (Reply #56)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:44 PM

93. Give it a rest with that tired argument. Many vets are backing him.

He's protesting against the killing of innocent black men, not veterans.

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Response to camelfan (Reply #56)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 01:22 PM

138. More likely they died defending the rights

Of private corporations to commercially exploit a country's natural resources, in the last century anyways. The US already does a fine job of sullying themselves.

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Response to camelfan (Reply #56)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 06:45 PM

153. Defending a piece of cloth?

Nowhere near the US most likely? Duh.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:03 PM

57. Well put. You are 100% correct.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:11 PM

58. The Flag.

Represents America as a whole. Thousands have died defending it and what it represents. I do not think America as a whole is all bad/evil it is not perfect but certainly not all bad.

Mr. Kaepernick is free to protest however he wants that is his right. I personally do not agree with his tack. There are better ways for Mr. Kaepernick (especially given his resources/position) to bring attention to the issue of police brutality that leaves the focus on the police and does not draw it away from them onto him. I also do not agree with the premise that if one does not agree with Mr. Kaepernick's method one is also a racist. That is a myopic view and adds no value to further the debate/conversation which is exactly what is needed to find a solution/resolution to the problem.

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Response to deathrind (Reply #58)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:16 PM

71. Most of the people angry at him are never angry when cops kill unarmed blacjs

 

It appears they may just have a race issues that they need to confront.

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Response to deathrind (Reply #58)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:18 AM

125. Reminded of this:

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Response to deathrind (Reply #58)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 03:10 PM

142. No one dies for a piece of cloth.

People who serve do so out of a sense of duty. We defend, or in my case defended, ideas and practices. We didn't defend a flag, we didn't defend a song, we defended what we believe in.

I believe I was defending freedom of speech, such as CK is doing. I believe I defended the right to each person's unreasonable search and seizure from those who serve and are suppose to protect us. I served for those that are arrested to be judged by a jury of their peers.

What I didn't serve for is those that are meant to protect us to play judge, jury and executioner.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:23 PM

59. K&R

Well put, bravenak!

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:39 PM

63. Brava, well said Bravenak!!

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:21 PM

76. Disliking this particular football player

 

or disapproving of his actions doesn't actually mean that someone cares more about his behavior than that of killer cops. But you know that. You're just trying to shame people into agreeing with you, even if you have to resort to dishonest, irrational, abusive tactics to do it. Unfortunately (for you), most people see through this sort of bullying and won't fall for it.

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Response to LittleDuckie (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:26 PM

83. Yeah right

 

Anybody spending more energy whining about his piggy sicks than worrying about dead unarned black men is a shallow shit.

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Response to LittleDuckie (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:28 PM

85. Bingo, we have a winner.

 

Welcome to identity politics and social justice, where disagreement and bigotry are the same thing.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #85)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 09:32 AM

111. "Identity politics" and social justice warriors.

Why is this comment still here? I hoped it would be removed because it's textbook right wing.




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Response to betsuni (Reply #111)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:43 AM

131. I've been seeing a lot of

Textbook rightwing posts and aren't being removed but DU has long had a problem with letting shit like that stand.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #111)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 05:05 PM

149. No, it's not.

 

Identity politics and the "social justice" movement are completely anti-liberal. They favor equality of outcome over equality of opportunity, routinely censor themselves and others around them for not following their politics lockstep (thanks for proving this one, by the way), and demand taking people's word on faith simply because of the color of their skin or their gender rather than with a healthy eye of skepticism--hell, any reasonable skepticism gets called bigotry.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #149)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 06:27 PM

151. +1 nt

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #149)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 06:27 PM

152. That is just a bunch of right-wingtalking points, attacking equality used to be a conservativ value.

 

When the hell in America has there ever been this vaunted 'equality of opportunity' for all people, regardless of gender or colour? It does not exist yet. There never has been equality of opportunity ( if I am wrong name a fucking date when we all had equal opportunity), that is a,MYTH that those who do not fall into marginalized categories ysed as a cudgel to try to maintain their privilege for as long as they can.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #85)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:28 PM

135. Great analysis of Bravenak's post.

 

It's possible to support the Black Lives Matter's movement and still disagree with certain accusations by Bravenak.

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Response to LittleDuckie (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:38 PM

90. hmmm

 

let's just say that I think you are very transparent and I am not falling for it.

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Response to LittleDuckie (Reply #76)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 01:13 AM

100. +10000000 for calling out this ridiculous hyperbole , not to mention

 

that K is now entrenched firmly under the bus for taking pokes at a certain sacred cow.

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Response to jack_krass (Reply #100)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 01:21 AM

101. Who would that cow be?

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #101)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 01:39 AM

104. Why, the Yoplait cow of course :) what did you think?

 



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Response to jack_krass (Reply #104)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 01:47 AM

106. Enjoyed that, thanks

 

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Response to jack_krass (Reply #100)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 01:34 AM

103. Hey there,

 

jack_krass,

Are you still afraid of Hillary?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511960873

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Response to KMOD (Reply #103)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 01:45 AM

105. Hi. Yes I am, but she's got my vote and support against Trump

 

Last edited Fri Sep 2, 2016, 10:39 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to LittleDuckie (Reply #76)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 08:44 AM

108. I've been here over 12 years.

 

It's nothing new. It was comical for a while. Now, it's just boring.

But, hey... tradition.

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Response to LittleDuckie (Reply #76)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:24 AM

127. You are right, but

 

dishonest, irrational, abusive tactics area all some people have to offer. Sad really.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:30 PM

86. Fuck the police coming straight from the underground

 

A young nigga got it bad cause I'm brown

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Response to Matrosov (Reply #86)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:32 PM

88. Damn Straight

 

I went to High School in that same city. Everybody I know was abused by the police at some point. Aint nothing changed.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #88)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:44 PM

92. Gotta love their hypocrisy

 

Point out some crooked cops and they'll whine 'It's no fair that you put us in the same cart as a few bad apples.'

Yet when it comes to black crime, those some people won't have a problem dismissing everyone as a 'thug' because of a few bad apples

Fuck that noise

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Response to Matrosov (Reply #92)

Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:49 PM

95. Straight up!

 

They act like they don't see the double standard. They do. Just dont care.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 08:24 AM

107. My main problem with this

is now I have to admit that Colin Kaepernick has a soul. Let's just say SF is not my favorite team.... Now I have to reevaluate. Also less than pleased with my own Carolina Panthers QB comments on the topic

We should remember that a mediocre college squad got a racist university president fired recently when they threatened to boycott the season. Imagine what could happen if pros got involved.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 08:59 AM

110. "If you find yourself more upset at a football player than at the murder of unarmed black men..."



I could actually hear Jeff Foxworthy sayin' this in my head!

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 10:03 AM

112. If you're holding up as a hero

 

a man who spews right-wing talking points about our Democratic nominee for president, you might be on the wrong website.

"I mean, you have Hillary who's called black teens or black kids super predators. You have Donald Trump who's openly racist. I mean, we have a presidential candidate [Hillary Clinton] who's deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate. That doesn't make sense to me, because if that was any other person, you'd be in prison."

Colin Kaepernick


This is Democratic Underground, not BLM Underground. Anyone posting that right-wing bullshit here would get banned.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #112)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 10:23 AM

114. bless your heart!

He made a comment you didn't like. Oh noes!!1! You're on the right side of history, after all...

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Response to pintobean (Reply #112)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:21 AM

126. Exactly right

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #112)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:20 PM

133. I was thinking the same thing. Kaepernick called Hillary a criminal.

 

suggesting that she should be "in prison".

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Response to pintobean (Reply #112)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:48 PM

137. Aw.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #112)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 06:21 PM

150. Who called him a hero? I call him an American who can wear what the fuck he wants to.

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 10:26 AM

115. I'm not upset about his protest at all. I applaud him.

 

I'm upset about the systemic racism in this country.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:05 AM

119. +1

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #122)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:32 AM

129. Agreed

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:30 AM

128. How about folks who just don't care about random whining?

 

When adults are ready to talk about serious issues then some progress can be made.

Any moment now I'm sure...

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:13 PM

132. id also add that they have serious issues with humanity in general

Death of any human should surely be more upsetting than someone not standing for a pledge.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:24 PM

134. Only when we truly become what that flag stands for

And actually believe the words of the Constitution will we become a country that lives its values not just talks about it. We will always need those willing to make that stand for those words "Freedom and justice for all."

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:30 PM

136. oh HELL yeah!

 

game, set, match.

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Response to martin mike (Reply #136)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 02:03 PM

139. Welcome to DU

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Fri Sep 2, 2016, 04:05 PM

145. tan cue!

 



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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 02:21 PM

140. "Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all".

Nope! Not yet, but hopefully most Americans will continue to strive for it to be truth.

I'm disgusted with those who are outraged at Kapernick because he is doing what Americans have fought for centuries to give people the right to do. Protest injustice peacefully. These same faux "Patriots" blame the very victims of senseless shootings, and then are incensed when someone dares uses their god-given Patriotic right to bravely to protest injustice other Americans are experiencing on a daily basis. You wouldn't think it was brave to sit out on a pledge that rings false, but it really is considering the ridiculous backlash.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 03:01 PM

141. solidarity

i remember the black power salute at the mexico cyt 1968 games . but but its ok for jehovas witnesses not to say the pledge or turn their back on the the flag . hem double standard. they are even allowed to leave class

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 03:42 PM

143. The question stands all by itself. A good question.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 04:02 PM

144. Brilliantly (and unapologetically) stated. As always!

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 04:35 PM

146. What are piggy socks?

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #146)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 04:59 PM

147. Socks with little piggies dressed like cops on them

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #147)

Fri Sep 2, 2016, 05:04 PM

148. oh cute!

would love to see those!

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