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(17 posts)"You just want that person to give you your country back because you feel that youre this countrys rightful owners.
The only problem with that, this country isnt yours! You dont own it! It never was! There is no real America!
You dont own it!
You dont own patriotism,
you dont own Christianity,
You sure as hell dont own respect for the brave and sacrifice of military, police and firefighters! Trust me!"
Wounded Bear
(60,993 posts)Not by themselves anyway.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,834 posts)lindysalsagal
(22,453 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)for the American dreams.
niyad
(121,216 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Does he not mean that either when he says it?
TransitJohn
(6,933 posts)conservative, rural, white voters (who kept telling me this during the Bush* years), "This is America! If you don't like it, get the fuck out!" #StrongerTogether
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)GOP people are the ones sending jobs over seas.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)They want walls around those "certain areas" Trump keeps mentioning.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,834 posts)oasis
(51,854 posts)"So many Republicans say they want America to return to the 'good old days'".
Jackson continued, "good for who?".
Leith
(7,856 posts)Strong unions built the middle class and made everyone more prosperous. Strong public schools educated everyone, rich or poor. Strong liberal government kept roads and bridges from crumbling under our feet, kept water safe to drink, and helped the Allies defeat Naziism. Safety nets brought the elderly out of poverty and fed destitute families.
What do we have by doing it their way? An overbloated military that has bases (some of them secret) in countries we've never heard of. A disappearing middle class. Crumbling roads, bridges, schools, and country. People at each others' throats for not repeating the right phrases. Jobs shipped overseas.
We've all heard far too much of what they mean. They should just shut the hell up.
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)Had a top tax rate of 90% and incentives to re-invest in America.
Face it, History has NEVER been the strenghth of the right wing
Beartracks
(13,642 posts)======================
Unless you were black, when many unions kept us out, developments refused to sell houses to us, and schools refused to integrate... And if they did (by court order), it resulted in de facto segregation via white flight to suburbs that we couldn't live in, and those who stayed refused to hire black teachers at the secondary levels (including my mother) despite being qualified - this all under Truman, JFK and LBJ.
For some of us, the "good old days" are only starting to happen "now", and even with that, forces continue to try to keep it from us. "Liberalism" is good as a theory but it has rarely been applied to all.
Leith
(7,856 posts)I'm from Flint, MI, and I've always attended school with all ethnicities. The factories had union members that were black, white, middle eastern, and hispanic (okay, not many Asians). That's what I'm used to so I forget that other places aren't the same.
Yes, these are the becoming the Good Old Days when everyone is included. We're not there yet - but today's Republicans will never get us there.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)on the chain
FOURTH and FIFTH VERSES
Fritz Walter
(4,349 posts)Between Election Day and Inauguration Day, we have to get these people off this planet -- let's face it: there's no other country that will accept Drumpf supporters, and they're not likely to willingly go to a place where 'Merican is not the official language.
So, let's ask Elon Musk and other aerospace entrepreneurs to build a giant spaceworthy Ark to cart them off to another planet. While the low-information types will gladly follow Drumpf aboard the vessel, there might be some who'd resist. So we have to come up with a plausible story.
Douglas Adams wrote about the Golgafrinchans' fear of some planet-wide catastrophe -- enormous mutant star-goat, twelve-foot piranha bees -- that persuaded an entire useless third of their population to evacuate.
What would persuade ALL Drumpf supporters to board a spaceship and evacuate this planet?
Hillary's presidency -- while abhorrent to them -- won't persuade all of them to give up their SUVs and double-wide trailers.
Zika virus -- unlikely.
Same-sex marriage -- maybe.
What instills the "flight" response in this group? We have 3 months. Let's get cracking on this.
The prospect of sharing oxygen with these people beyond mid-January is too horrible to contemplate.
keithbvadu2
(40,833 posts)waiting for the spaceship to come get them.
Maru Kitteh
(29,324 posts)very weird
Pakid
(478 posts)their guns, after all if you listen to them nothing else matter but their guns. Clean air and water, safe food, good union jobs women's right, health care for them and their family, etc none of those thing matter to them. There is only one thing that they love their guns.
Leith
(7,856 posts)But this time, let's keep the telephone sanitizers.
allan01
(1,950 posts)yea, thed love to sculttle it starting with nixon, the buscos and if trump is in hed finish it for sure .
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Good! We need that.
nikto
(3,284 posts)I say not one penny above 90%.
I call it, "Compassionate Progressivism".
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Love it.
nikto
(3,284 posts)Letting the wealthy still exist, and still stay quite rich, is one of the results, and hallmarks of,
Democratic Socialism. Sure taxes go way up for the rich, but it is an essentially peaceful process.
That actually constitutes Compassionate Progressivism, because progressives are not
eliminationists (wanting to destroy/eliminate some "enemy" via specific policies, as corporate Conservatives
ALWAYS try to do, as a rule).
Ofcourse, if Democratic Socialism a la FDR/Bernie Sanders is defeated and crushed by the elites (as it seems
they want to do), then somewhere down the line the elites are going to have to deal with decidedly
less-compassionate social movements of tens of millions of massed, disillusioned, angry people staring them in the face.
If I were the elites, I would settle this thing (and get back to helping the US middle class) via Social Democracy, rather
than something farther down the line that could really be nasty, and probably will not be good for either democracy or
the economy.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)and it's even more relevant now. The Way We Never Were by Stephanie Coonts. It is a study of the US, exposing the myth that there was ever an American utopia to which we can go back. Rather we continue to evolve, correcting problems and expanding as time goes on. I've wondered what period of supposed "greatness" Trump wants to restore. Why don't these alleged reporters ask?
Gothmog
(156,471 posts)ananda
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2naSalit
(94,223 posts)retaliation for everything they don't like about freedom and equality.
brooklynboy49
(287 posts)In all fairness, it should be recognized that the internment of the Japanese was under a Democratic administration (FDR). FDR was a great president, but that's the big blemish on his legacy.
rivegauche
(601 posts)That idiotic slogan infuriates me. It's so utterly stupid and MEANINGLESS. But they cling to it like it's a prayer, and not one of the trumpettes can provide an intelligent answer for what it really means.