I would suggest laying off Bernie Sanders.

[cali]

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So the fuck what if he bought a house on Lake Champlain?

He has been nothing but gracious and honorable and stuck to his word. And there are still people here sneaking in their contempt and dislike- and stronger- for him.

He is not wealthy by the standards of those in Congress. The Sanders were able to buy this house because they sold a lake house in Maine that Jane Sanders inherited.

Bashing Bernie in this passive aggressive way is contemptible.

There's no other way to look at it.

[bluedigger]

2. Can I bash them for their choice?

No right thinking person would trade a Maine camp for some shack on that sewer, Lake Champlain...

[still_one]

3. It doesn' matter whether someone is wealthy or not, or if he has a new house. It is what he stands

for regarding the issues that matter

If some are using a house as an issue to be critical of Bernie, it is petty and superficial

[geek tragedy]

4. Yeah, I don't get the need to bash one of the nominee's most important supporters.

He's a US Senator, what's he supposed to do, live in a cell, wear a hair shirt, and eat bread and water?

[Hekate]

43. Don't forget True Dems/Progressives walk among us barefoot as well. I attribute this persistant meme

....among a minority here to an inverted kind of raw envy against anyone who is perceived to have more than they do. It's irrational and ugly.

[geek tragedy]

56. I think it's residual primary stuff, totally not helpful imo nt

[NuclearDem]

69. Owning three homes is a slight difference in scale from a vow of poverty.

[geek tragedy]

77. And this is politically relevant, how?

He's not a Communist.

[FourScore]

118. When did he make a vow of poverty? n/t

[NuclearDem]

119. I didn't say he did.

I said there's a difference between the hyperbolic suggestion that I believe Senator Sanders should be living below the poverty line and owning three different houses.

[Hortensis]

5. This is the first I heard of this, Cali. A house

I could care less about, but apparently has stimulated outrage in some intolerant ex-revolutionaries, OR what you're complaining about here.

[cali]

8. It may be the first you've heard of it, but I've seen two threads on it with multiple comments

and multiple recs.

I'm not asking you to care about it, and obviously you aren't engaging in it.

I care about Bernie being bashed here. And I don't care that if expressing that, bothers anyone here.

[Blue_Adept]

11. Well, now you've made it three threads

Considering that they had, what, 20 or so posts to those two topics? It's not like it was getting much attention or traction. The vast majority have moved on past all of that. Why make a third instead of directly going at those in those two threads? All you do is draw more attention to it by doing this.

[Hortensis]

12. Reminds me of the old GD-P days when I

strongly recommended Sanders supporters NOT post stuff uncomplimentary to him. Never worked.

Thread #3 on this subject, apparently.

[joshcryer]

16. I'm glad I didn't see them.

But I can imagine who started them.

[Iggo]

6. NO!!!! MUST KEEP FIGHTING PRIMARY!!!!!

AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

[Greybnk48]

7. It is contemptible.

I'm sick of it.

[deathrind]

9. I agree but doubt it will happen.

BS had the audacity to run against Her.

[SammyWinstonJack]

144. Nailed it!

BS had the audacity to run against Her.

[radical noodle]

10. I was never a Bernie supporter

nor am I wealthy, but I once owned three homes all at the same time. So yeah, I don't think we should be judgmental about this. I haven't seen any bashing though, so I guess I missed that.

[Glamrock]

15. That's not really the point

For some people, if you speak out against wealth inequality it won't count unless you live in a cardboard box. Conservatives have made the same argument about musicians that speak out. I. E. "We'll they sure are doing well in the system they rail against! "

[That Guy 888]

125. It's part of a right wing frame.

...if you speak out against wealth inequality it won't count unless you live in a cardboard box.

Which is then dismissed as "Of course they're against the system, look how they live. They just want handouts instead of working for it." Or if they do have tangible wealth, it's dismissed as choice: "If that's the way they want live fine, but I shouldn't be forced to live that way."

[radical noodle]

131. That's true, but still

Bernie owning three homes isn't exactly a sign of great wealth... which was my point. If one can only live in a cardboard box while one rails against wealth inequality, then most of us are in trouble.

[Glamrock]

134. Oh yeah man I dig.

And you are totally right. I had a rightwing key board player who would throw that shit out there frequently. (And I'd swat that down like fly. Conservatives don't learn fast, it seems. Must be the reinforcement bubble they live in.) And I was sensing that same undercurrent to this story.

So, sorry Mr. or Mrs. Noodle. I was venting as opposed to arguing. My apologies.

[radical noodle]

148. No need to apologize

I just wanted you to understand that I was on your side in this one. Mrs. Noodle, btw.

[LWolf]

13. I'm pretty much done

with the hate spewed in all its forms, towards anyone, by those who seem to think that bullying is okay, and hate is okay, as long as it is not directed towards any hero of the party establishment.

I see posters who act as mirrors to FR, and it's okay, as long as the target is "other."

And the way some have been happy to throw Bernie Sanders under the bus, and then put their boots on the ground to keep him there, says worlds about what the Democratic Party is becoming.

We're all watching the Republicans and Trump in their epic meltdown, not even pretending anymore, embracing their fascism.

It's a horror show, and a damned good distraction from what is happening to the Democratic Party.

[emulatorloo]

25. A number of BOB-types hate Bernie now. Call him an "evil sell out" and worst.

If you don't believe me ask Cali.

I think you need to put that fact into your analysis.

The majority of DU'ers respect and and support Bernie and his policies.

So essentially you have a LOUD minority of folks trashing Bernie.

[Hortensis]

38. Exactly. A good 90% of Bernie's consistent supporters

(conservative spoiler voters don't qualify) have moved seamlessly to Hillary as their second choice. as they always intended.

The only ones who are going to care about this are his angry ex-followers who feel he betrayed the revolution and sold out. Probably some of those who are sure Hillary forced him to support her, by kidnapping some unspecified member of his family or some other dastardly deed, are going to have trouble working this into their narrative. But not for long, of course.

But otherwise, sensible people don't have problems with this kind of nonsense and don't, as said, require Sanders to go around in old jeans and flip-flops to prove his sincerity.

[LWolf]

129. I am aware

that there are hate spewers to be found in every group.

All of them tend to be LOUD and frequent, whether or not they are a minority.

The Bernie or Bust folks haven't spewed anything my way. I completely understand their frustration, even though I haven't joined them. That's probably why they don't hate me. I haven't attacked them for their position.
The Hillary folks, though? It's never-ending. Whether a minority or not? I can't say.

For 13 years at DU I kept nobody on an ignore list. In the last 6 months that changed. There are about 57 people on that list, and I've yet to clear them out. I may never do so. That's 57 people that I found to be hateful; to be part of the problem. Not because we disagreed, but because of they way they trashed, not Sanders, but his supporters. And that's key.

What's left? It's milder, but the trashing of Sanders and his supporters is still ongoing right here, even with all those hides. Truly, there is a great deal that happens here that I don't see and don't miss.

Which is why I'm spending most of my time elsewhere. I really don't have much to talk about here, and what I do have to say is either not allowed or is not something anyone else wants to discuss. It's not the GE, it's not the Republicans, it's not the Olympics, so it doesn't really fit. Which is fine, because there are other places to take my conversation, lol.

Here's the single OP I've started in a long while; it's a topic that I'm pretty passionate about. Some recs, but no responses. I guess I can be glad nobody showed up to fling shit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028085102

[lame54]

14. I guess they don't like his platform...

which they will be voting for come November

[IronLionZion]

17. Haters gonna hate

It is laughable to think people are judging Bernie for buying a house in Vermont.

[closeupready]

20. It's the predictable ones here - pro-nuke, pro-GMO, anti-health, etc.

So this is actually amusing to me.

[PatSeg]

18. I didn't support Bernie as a presidential candidate

but I have always found him to be an honest, decent, honorable person. A lot of attacks that I've seen are pretty far-fetched to my mind. Bernie Bashing is most unbecoming to the people who participate in the practice. It sure doesn't do anything positive for DU.

[Cryptoad]

19. U are only i know talking abt it....

[Act_of_Reparation]

60. Well, if you don't know of anyone else talking about it...

...then no one must be talking about it.

Except at least 22 other people in GD... that I found because my mouse has a scroll wheel.

[Cryptoad]

83. just stating an obsevation

no need for u to make it into a personal attack being rude.

[lapucelle]

21. I agree. Bernie and Jane have a right to buy a home.

They've worked hard their whole lives, and they may be looking toward their retirement. They're at the age where many people look for a new place to set their stakes for their golden years.

It's ridiculous when we judge people harshly for doing EXACTLY what most people do. We've seen similar complaints from the right about the Obama family's two week summer vacations.

This is off limits.

[Highway61]

22. I'm sick of it as well

Bashing and hate filled rhetoric towards this man is just plain despicable. This is NOT the DU I remember from not that many years ago.

[chervilant]

138. Which is one of the reasons

I so seldom visit anymore...

[Gaytheist212]

23. Not about this...

I haven't heard about this and I haven't seen any widespread discussion of it. However, people are right to ask questions about where he is on the campaign trail to help Hillary as he promised and why he is devoting his time and fundraising efforts on defeating DWS's primary opponent? The guy's views are even worse than hers, but Bernie seems hellbent on pursuing this vendetta, which began before the convention, than stumping for Hillary or raising money for her. Yes, he wrote the article in the LA Times, but he's done nothing on the level of Hillary in 2008 for Obama. I don't see him keeping his word. I see his wife throwing shots at Hillary in Rolling Stone, I see him failing to denounce Jill Stein, and I see him failing to take to the campaign trail.

This house thing is trivial and petty. It has nothing to do with anything. Fortunately, save for a few sparsely populated threads, it isn't a big thing. Bernie's lack of visible support for Hillary or aggressive campaigning for downballot candidates are issues worthy of discussion, however. I guess I'm glad he isn't doing it if his heart isn't in it. But, he should never have given his word if he had no intention of doing it.

[cali]

30. Let's see: He wrote a strong op-ed in the L.A. Times urging his supporters to support her

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sanders-message-20160805-snap-story.html

He has said he'll campaign "vigorously" for her. If he wants to take a few weeks in August off after over a year of a grueling and ultimately losing campaign, he damn well should. He'll be on the campaign trail in September if asked. Bernie damn well does keep his word.

As DWS, she contemptibly supports the payday loanshark industry which in our shared state of Vermont is ILLEGAL. She has supported stiff jail terms for users of medical marijuana and she has supported big sugar in its filthy pollution of the Everglades over environmentalists. Not to mention she was a horrible Chair of the DNC.

There is no democrat I'd rather see lose her primary than corrupt Debbie. I doubt she will, but she sucks. And she has a history of supporting repubs over dems in Florida.

And what has Mook or Hillary or Podesta asked him to do? Do you know or are you just talking out of your.... hat?

[misterhighwasted]

48. I don't think the Payday Loan issue is why he isn't supporting her.

But it gives a meme to bash her with.

Her Dem loyalty vote in the House is more valuable than a possible no vote from Cannova on critical funding of a Pres Clinton's platform for the country.
The House votes are necessary.

Cannova has 90% of his funding from outside FL.
That a lot of outside influence in buying FL their Rep.

[truebluegreen]

73. If President Clinton wants a "yes" vote from Canova

on funding or anything else, she will have to present a program/bill/request that would earn that vote. As it should be with any president.

We are not electing a Ruler To Be Obeyed, just a president.

[misterhighwasted]

80. Well she's already got all that & absolute loyalty with DWS.

The House is critical. Every single loyal Dem vote for Clinton's policy platform is absolutely necessary. Then there's the powerful Women voter block in the House.
Hillary & the Pacs like EMILY'S LIST have worked day & night against the RW to elect women who support Clinton's call for equality.

She has that guarentee with DWS.
Not so much reassurance & loyalty with Cannova.

The House & Senate MUST be with Clinton if we are ever to reverse the damage done by the RW GOPTeaParty.

The picture is far, far bigger than the call to get rid of DWS for the mere sake of personal revenge.

[misterhighwasted]

86. We can't do squat without solid loyal Dem votes in the House.

This election is the only time in many years we may have a chance to finally upend the grip of the RW House.

Hillary needs every single loyal vote from her Reps she can get.
DWS offers that completely. Cannova can run next time again. After Hillary & her loyal dependable force yanks the GOP up by its roots.

Too much is at stake in 2016.
In the end it will be those she trusts completely & have proven their loyalty & belief in Clinton's ability.
DWS also comes with years in the House, giving her positions of powerful committees.
Cannova is a newby starting out on the bottom rung of that ladder.

IOW..in 2016 Dems need every advantage they can pull from.
DWS has long proven herself in that respect.

Thank You

[truebluegreen]

94. What kind of loyalist puts payday lenders above constituents?

What kind of loyalist supports her Republican incumbent "friends" over Democratic challengers?

Or is loyalty to Clinton--whatever she may propose--the only kind that is important to you?

I remember years ago my aunt and uncle in Connecticut supporting Lieberman over Lamont because of Lieberman's "connections" and experience. That always works well, don't you agree? (fyi, they rued that decision).

DWS isn't an "advantage" for the party or for Hillary, and even less so for the rest of us.

You are welcome.

[misterhighwasted]

98. Payday Payday..Third Way..Oligarchy..Benghazi..Emails..Goldman..1%..corporate shill..

When it becomes all about the name calling then there's no point in trying to draw the great big looming picture the Dems may very well have in keeping the country from the final blow from the RW.

Cannova brings NO loyalty to make any of that happen.

Single issue campaigning isn't going to get what that big picture calls for.
DWS loyalty to House votes for Dem policies is what's certain.
Cannova is a rich guy with 90% of his funding from everywhere but FL.
So someone else is buying his House seat. Great for him.


Bye.
aaaand ignore

[truebluegreen]

106. I am totally convinced.

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is a True Democrat, an Outstanding and Upstanding Member of the Party of the People and Totally Worthy of my and every other True Democrat's support and vote!

Yea!




p.s. have fun storming the castle

[NuclearDem]

92. Not going to matter anyway.

Because Canova isn't going to win the primary.

[truebluegreen]

95. Well, what a relief that it is All Settled already.

[cali]

89. No, more of his funding is in state than hers.

furthermore, you fail to grasp the distinction between individual donations that average $27 and large corporate donations- particularly to superpacs supporting her.

<snip>

Meanwhile, her deep political ties in the state and her fundraising connections as DNC chair have helped her raise more than $3 million. Unlike Canova’s low-dollar donations, more than $1 million of Wasserman Schultz’s take has come from donors who have given more than $2,000. Small donors account for just 29 percent of her campaign money, according to the Center for Responsive Politics report. She’s raked in contributions from PACs—$451,652 from business PACs, $160,000 from organized labor PACs, and $144,209 from ideological PACs, the report finds. On top of that, Vice President Joe Biden hosted a fundraiser for her on Friday.

Patriot Majority PAC, a liberal super PAC that in the past has relied heavily on undisclosed “dark money,” has also entered the fray. Just days after she was ousted from the DNC, the super PAC spent nearly $100,000 plastering Wasserman Schultz’s district with supportive mailers and has reserved an additional $393,000 worth of ad buys in the coming weeks before the primary. The super PAC also released a poll Wednesday that showed Wasserman Schultz to have a big lead—59-26 percent with 15 percent undecided.

<snip>
http://prospect.org/article/political-revolution-takes-aim-wasserman-schultz%E2%80%99s-congressional-seat

Let me add that as someone who has been represented by Bernie for over 25 years, it is indeed her corruption and politics that he objects to so strongly.

It's a simple formula: $$$=Access=Influence. Individual small donors do not get access and they do not have the influence of dark money superpac contributors. Changing that is part of the movement that those of us who supported Bernie in the primary, and still share his goals.

[ancianita]

102. K & R and thanks.

[cali]

121. Sure.

[Gaytheist212]

135. I'm not buying it

I think DWS is a terrible Democrat and I would love to see her replaced by someone credible, not just someone who happens to be running against her. I do not believe for a moment that Sanders would be focusing on the 23rd district in Florida but for his personal beef with her. He's never had a problem with her all of these years and her positions, connections, and ties to lobbying industries didn't just happen. He never cared before, but he cares now? Come on.

I acknowledged his article in the LA Times and, frankly, anyone can bang out an article in an hour or two. Why do Hillary or Mook have to ask him to raise money or stump for downballot candidates other than the very important candidacy of Tim Canova? I know they'd love Sanders' fundraising list, but he won't turn it over. I think that Bernie is, as he said, dropping all pretensions of being part of the Democratic Party, retaining his Independent designation in the Senate, and is done with the party now that it is no longer a potential springboard for his ambitions. If that's what he wants to do, I wish he'd stop asserting that he and his followers are the future of the Democratic Party when he isn't doing anything to help.

[AllyCat]

31. He is supporting Democrats. That is the point of a primary

You see someone you think would do a better job in your party, you work for them to get elected. Just because she isn't the democrat you want, doesn't mean he isn't supporting democrats.

[Eleanors38]

45. "Down ballot." What the Party always has trouble with & would rather not do...

"Give it to Mikey -- He'll try anything."

[Duval]

24. Thank you, cali.

Sanders has lived up to his word. Continuing to criticize simply doesn't make sense.

[CentralMass]

26. I work with people that make less the Bernie that have $600k homes.

[AllyCat]

27. I mean, he nerve of those people actually wanting and purchasing a vacation home!

If you are a real American, you work for minimum wage at 3 jobs. No vacations. And you must be in debt forever.

[CentralMass]

28. Chelsea and her husband have a 10.5 million dollar apartment.

[emulatorloo]

32. Thread is not about Chelsea. It is about folks who are trashing Bernie

[emulatorloo]

29. Thanks for this. Let those threads sink.

Fortunately, IMHO It does not reflect the views of most DU'ers, it is just a LOUD minority.

Same as with the LOUD minority of those former Bernie supporters you know who now trash Bernie as an evil-sellout or worse.

Appreciate you calling these obnoxious people out.

[klook]

33. Some folks have been sneaking in attacks against Sen. Sanders in various ways.

I imagine it will continue.

I am eternally grateful to Bernie for his role in this year's election, and am looking forward to his continuing influence on American political thought.

Thank you for calling bullshit on the Bernie bashing. The primaries are over. We have a lot of work to do, sending Republicans home this November. I have no patience for circular firing squads at this point.

[Cary]

34. Serious question: no snark intended

Why do you care?

Personally I could not give a rat's butt if he had 100 houses.

[FailureToCommunicate]

36. Pretty sure cali was calling out the DUers still bashing Bernie...not about the house.

[Cary]

39. My question to cali is deeper than that

She can speak for herself, and Sanders can certainly stand up for his own right to buy a house.

As for people who want to bash Sanders I can ask them why they care too. Right now I'm asking cali why she cares about people criticizing Sanders.

Can I focus on one thing at a time? I do better that way

[villager]

35. The "Two Minutes Hate" is still practiced here all too often...

...during DU's ostensible "unity" phase.

[Mira]

37. Thank you Cali

I appreciate your post.

[Glaisne]

40. And here I was

thinking you wanted to fire him!

[secondwind]

41. hear, hear!!! I agree 100%.. Sanders is not a crook or a dishonest person..n/t

[saidsimplesimon]

42. K&R, cali

Senator Sanders is still sending emails to his donor list asking them to contribute and support other Democratic races.

I rarely post on this site anymore. Some may be very pleased with their efforts to suppress participation here. I do not feel suppressed, just to busy to waste time on meta when there is so much work to be done to defeat the real enemies of democracy, the current GOP and their big money donors.

The site owners are most kind to tolerate my inability to refrain from commenting to people who have a history of trying to hijack diaries or insult those who do not agree with them. They know who they are.

[MyNameGoesHere]

46. I am interested only in his massive effort to get Clinton elected.

So far it's been off the charts! Absolutely overwhelming, there hasn't been a day go by where I haven't seen a tremendous effort to get out there for Clinton, let me tell you. It's the greatest effort I have ever seen.

[cali]

50. OMG. He's taking some time off after over a year of campaigning and losing a hard fought

primary. Yet, just last week he wrote an editorial in the LA Times strongly urging his supporters to vote for HRC. He's said that he'll campaign "vigorously" for her. It's up to Mook, who knows Bernie well, and HRC to figure out what they want from him and ask.

It's August. The Senate is out. If it weren't for Trump's insane antics, no would even be paying attention to the election- that's not exactly breaking news, it's the conventional wisdom that post-convention, the GE doesn't start to heat up until September. Not to mention that the Olympics are taking place at the moment.

You are exactly what I'm talking about in the OP.

[MyNameGoesHere]

58. I don't get your reply

I stated how extraordinary he was doing, I've been amazed. Maybe you replied to the wrong poster?

[panader0]

59. Bull!

[ancianita]

104. Everyone knows what your snark means. You ARE the poster addressed in the OP.

[FighttheFuture]

122. Bernie did a lot of work getting young people and independents into the party during the primary.

I can only shudder to imagine how badly the party would be at this point if he did not run!

Now it is up to Hillary to keep them interested. She has some great messages crafted in the Democratic Party Platform to run on, and even better ones espoused by Bernie. She has moved left on some things, for sure. She has to get it out there and I know it is hard. Trump sucks all the air out and she does have high negatives. Mostly, I feel, from being demonized for over 25 years by the RW. That's not her fault but there it is. The other things, her corporate and WS ties are not a great thing to have so she really has to craft a message that will show people she is serious, even if it pisses her big doners off. They are as afraid of Trump as anyone, frankly.

Bernie has given her and the Democrats a real gift. A chance to start renewing the party and bringing in more people with a real message and positions that have worked so well in our history, as shown by the greats like FDR. She is running against Trump, the worst presidential candidate I have ever seen or heard of in the history of this country, a disaster in the making in every way. This should be a cakewalk people!! If it isn't, then look to her messaging and actions on things like "free trade", TPP, minimum wage, calling out Corporate shenanigans and Wall Street con-men.

[Hekate]

47. KnR, Cali.

The holy poverty meme apparently knows no bounds at DU, and it has gotten old.

[anamandujano]

49. Is it possible to have all Bernie threads in a dedicated Bernie forum?

Then those who do not wish to participate can avoid all the threads on him.

[bluedye33139]

52. This is crowding out the posts about Jill Stein!

[cali]

53. There's an Ask the Administrators forum. Easy to find. click that button that designates it.

Go for it. Or just trash the thread. Or whinge about it. It's up to you.

[anamandujano]

62. I don't really care. I avoid most Bernie posts.

Most are here to bait.

[ileus]

51. let him keep his job...

[fleabiscuit]

54. Yup. nt

[Kaleva]

55. I don't care if he bought a vacation home.

If one has earned their money legitimately, Like Bernie and Jane have done, then they can spend it however they choose.

[TonyPDX]

133. If anyone deserves a vacation (or a vacation home), it's Bernie!

[Kaleva]

140. +1

[SammyWinstonJack]

146. Yep!

[dawg]

57. Nothing wrong with buying a nice home.

Bernie fights for working-class people and for the poor. (Hillary does too!)

But neither of them took a vow of poverty. And why should they?

[Peacetrain]

61. Sorry cali..you have this one bass ackwards..

the people ripping Senator Sanders a new one.. are those who once supported him.. or said they did..

[elleng]

63. Contemptible indeed.

I will not read the bashing.

[CobaltBlue]

64. The Ds who bash Bernie Sanders are telling his primaries voters to not vote Democratic in November

That is their message.

They may not think they’re intending to send that message.

They are.

[NuclearDem]

66. Someone else's thin skin is not our problem.

If their vote is decided by someone hurting their feelings rather than by logic and reason, then why should we care about reaching out to them?

[Gore1FL]

108. Because they count the same.

Why go out of one's way to be offensive just to drive off allies?

[NuclearDem]

120. Nobody's going out of their way to be offensive.

[Gore1FL]

124. The OP would apparently disagree.

One need only look at the 50 daily DU anti-green threads to demonstrate it.

[KMOD]

65. stronger together

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I would like to suggest that the bashing of our nominee should cease as well.

[Maru Kitteh]

153. WOW

I love that photo. That was a truly awesome day for liberalism and for the Democratic party.

Long live progressivism, and long may it live snugly within the Democratic party.

[nini]

67. It's suspicious being we never saw all the tax returns

I don't really care what he does but I can understand the questions some have under the circumstances.

You can have more money than God and still believe in helping the poor and he does that. The fact they may be hiding something a bit is unsettling to some and it's their right to wonder.

[truebluegreen]

74. Yes, it would irresponsible not to speculate.

[nini]

139. Didn't say that

I said I could see why some people would think what they are. Personally I don't care what he does.


But if you makes you feel superior - rock on buddy.

[truebluegreen]

163. " It's suspicious being we never saw all the tax returns "

It's suspicious but you don't care. Got it.

[Vinca]

68. I don't get the uproar over this at all.

Chances are it's their retirement spot and will end up being their only home. If I inherited a chunk of change I would probably buy a house with ocean frontage in Maine. You only live once after all.

[MineralMan]

70. I looked around and, for the life of me, I can't find anyone

bashing Bernie for buying that house. Maybe some thread is gone or something, but I'm not seeing any bashing.

[KMOD]

82. The only one I found had a bunch of folks taking

pot shots at Hillary. Just like a few in this thread are doing.

[zentrum]

71. Thank you Cali nt

[DFW]

72. I agree. This is a non-event

He bought a $600,000 house, not a $6 million house. This is well within the means of someone in his financial position and salary. It means, in the overall scheme of things, exactly zero, and that is about how much attention it deserves.

You want to make a big deal out of something? In case it has escaped anyone's attention, the Republican nominee for President is always referred to as "billionaire Donald Trump" when he might in reality be no such thing. If that discrepancy doesn't dwarf the finances of Bernie Sanders, or even the Clintons (Republicanese: "Clinton's&quot , then something is very wrong.

[cali]

76. Indeed. Now where are his tax returns?

As a matter of fact, who are his accountants? hmm.

[DFW]

96. We're not gonna see Trump's tax returns, and it won't matter

The only people left who are voting for Trump are the ones who, as he said, really don't care if he shoots someone on 7th avenue in broad daylight. There is a certain percentage of the American electorate who will vote for the Republican candidate for the "R" in front of his name--period.

Even if his tax returns show he has a positive net worth of $2.75 and has cheated the IRS out of $800 million, these people will STILL vote for him. That's a very poor incentive to take the trouble to make anything public, especially his tax returns.

[Glassunion]

99. Point of order...

It was 5th Avenue, not 7th.

[DFW]

100. My bad

You know what we say in Germany, once you've seen one avenue, you've seen them all....

[Peregrine Took]

75. Thanks, Cali, so true. He did the U.S. a tremendous favor pushing HRC to the left.

Lets just hope she stays there.

Everything Bernie and Jane have they worked for - unlike the Rethugs who sit around all day plotting and planning ways to thwart Obama and the Dems.

[misterhighwasted]

85. B.S., Hillary & Obama already had much of the rant of sanders in their platforms

The real problem was the RW House & Senate that stopped Obama every step of the way including the SC.

Had any of sanders' fans ever read Hillary's campaign platform from the first month out, it would have looked very much like bernies speeches.

He gets no credit for moving her left.
She was already there before he ever laid out his platform.
But that was then...gone..over.

[rbrnmw]

78. I thinks it is silly to bash him for that

[RandySF]

79. It's not that Bernie bought a cottage

It's the things people would have said during the primaries if the Clintons did the same thing.

[misterhighwasted]

81. And there you have it. Thank You

[treestar]

88. exactly.

They should not pretend they would have bashed Hillary for buying any house. We know they would have. Double standards.

[Gore1FL]

110. Totally a good reason to piss people off in the general election.

Because fuck our natural political allies, right?

[RandySF]

114. I don't want to count among my friends

People who fire bombed Hillary while excusing Brrnie when doing the same things.

[Gore1FL]

117. Because them staying at home on election day will do everyone so much good!

Great thinking. Maybe we should brainstorm on other ways to sabotage ourselves!

[Rex]

84. Well you know, money is good unless it is someone not liked then it is bad.

I just ignore those folks since it is a tiny fringe group.

[jack_krass]

87. Recd. Thank you!

[zappaman]

90. It doesn't bother me if he's a member of the oligarchy

and he and his wife made some serious money from this campaign.

[elias7]

157. You know that's against the law. Why do you say it?

[Exilednight]

91. I call it SWS.

[book_worm]

93. I agree.

[enid602]

97. Bern

Frankly, I took this as an optimistic sign. I can't imagine Bern buying a vacation home if he thought there was a chance of a Trump White House. I'd be more concerned if I heard that B and J had put their homes up for sale.

[vdogg]

101. Were people bashing him about this?

We've been fairly concentrated on Trump and Stein for the past few days as far as I can tell.

[DemonGoddess]

103. I didn't even respond to the post

reporting the purchase. To my way of thinking, they're both at retirement age, if they have the funds to buy the property, more power to 'em. Not my concern.

[Tarc]

105. It's a silly thing to criticize him for, yes. I hope those DU threads are being reported

Nothing wrong with this whatsoever.

[cwydro]

107. I doubt Bernie even knows what is written on any website,

and cares even less.

I sure as hell wouldn't care.

[cali]

109. But Bernie supporters do.

[cwydro]

111. Yeah, but let it roll off your back.

Haters gonna hate.

I'm a Hillary supporter, and I agree that some just can't stop fighting the primary.

Bernie should be able to enjoy his life, and he can buy whatever he wants. I don't think that is a terribly expensive house up there, relatively speaking, is it?

[beachbumbob]

112. Actually why anyone waste time, who cares?

[Gothmog]

113. Sanders got a standing ovation at the Texas delegation breakfast at then DNC

I have no problems with Sanders and I do not care about his new home

[tenderfoot]

115. I had no idea that one had to take a vow of poverty to care about others

FDR was way wealthier than Sanders will ever be. Was the size/cost of his house an issue in the 30s?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

123. I don't get the controversy about the house

I was a Hillary delegate but the primary is over.

[Mc Mike]

126. He's top notch. A great Senator.

I wish he was delivering some more anti-dRumpf broadsides in the media.

Anyone still grinding an axe against him after the contest is over IS being unbelievably stupid and wasting their time and resources. That fight is over, they should focus on the real enemy.

[riderinthestorm]

127. It's continuing the primary wars under the surrogacy of this house purchase. nt

[LostOne4Ever]

128. THANK YOU! +infinity! nt

[msanthrope]

130. You're Streisanding it. nt

[betsuni]

154. This is true. I had to go and search for OPs about this, and there's no "laying on" of Sanders.

Only a few people said anything negative, nobody else cared and/or defended Sanders. It's nothing.

[LongTomH]

136. Thank you, Cali!!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

137. People who only come here to pick fights and sow division are pretty transparent.

What's amusing to me is watching them sort of spin their wheels in frustration. Very few fish are biting.

It would appear they aren't getting the rich satisfaction from the post-primary DU experience they thought they would, perhaps.

[Chakaconcarne]

141. Bernie has fought hard for all of us..

And is a very honorable man. Bashing him is completely unnecessary and petty.

[Rincewind]

142. I doesn't bother me a bit.

Sen. Sanders and his wife can spend their money any way they like. With over $2 million in assets, they can afford a nice vacation home, and I hope they can spend many years enjoying it.

[dembotoz]

143. guess the parties move to the right is just not fast enuf for some folks

bernie is an easy target

[4bucksagallon]

145. Now if Hillary would just stop using emails.... She will never learn.... I admire Bernie...

[SunSeeker]

159. Bernie uses emails. Why do you want Hillary to "stop using emails"?

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Now if Hillary would just stop using emails.... She will never learn.... I admire Bernie...

What exactly is it that you claim Hillary "will never learn"?

[McKim]

147. Unwise to Bash Bernie or His Supporters

I would advise the DUers to not bash Bernie or his supporters anymore. As many have said, the primary is over. Bring them to your side by treating them with respect.

[Marie Marie]

149. K & R Thank you cali.

[PatrickforO]

150. Yes there is no need at all to criticize Bernie and Jane.

Instead, let us all wish them well in their new home, and let us also work with Bernie to elect Hillary Clinton.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

151. Haven't been paying attention, but thank you

for this entirely reasonable take.

[Jim Lane]

152. Wake me up when he buys a house with a car elevator. (n/t)

[cali]

158. On the other side of never, I'll be sure to give you a shout out

[Nye Bevan]

155. I defended his real estate portfolio.

I have no problem with the Sanders family buying a property to summer in.

[BlueMTexpat]

156. Your OP is the first on DU that I have seen

about this.

Frankly, I don't give any flying figs whether Bernie - or any other current or former candidate for US President - buys a new house. It's certainly a common enough practice and hardly unacceptable.

What I care about is electing Hillary in November 2016. Period.

To that end, I do not appreciate anyone who posts counterproductive crap here.

[Indydem]

160. BERNIE SANDERS ISN'T A DEMOCRAT!

Something he reinforced clearly and plainly after he endorsed Clinton and proudly declared himself an independent.

If a repuke did this kind of double speak bs, we would rightfully be laying on the mockery.

Sanders isn't a Democrat and never was; he used the party for his needs and then discarded it.

I can and will attack him all day long if I so choose.

Defending him on this site is no better than defending Mitt Romney.

[cali]

161. codswallop- not that he's not a democrat. He isn't, but

he has endorsed her strongly, he is working on getting his supporters- that would be millions of people- to support her. He's always worked with and caucused with Democrats- in the House and in the Senate. He is the minority leader on at least one committee; as in the DEMOCRATIC minority leader.

He's worked on and advocated democratic issues.

Go ahead, bash him. I don't think it's a particularly sharp decision, but go for it, write an op on how much you hate him.

And we certainly are allowed to both defend him and praise him here.

Comparing him to Romney is so silly, it's not even worth an ounce of outrage.

[Loki]

162. I have to ask this question and perhaps you know the answer.

Has he come out with any statement against what Trump said at his rally about "Second Amendment solutions" against
Hillary and against any Supreme Court Judges or any judges that she may appoint. I would love to hear what he has to
say about that, because it certainly affects all of us. And on edit, I have not seen any Bernie House bashing, but I'm usually not interested in reading about crap like that.