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Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:13 PM

Benedict Donald is in violation of the Logan Act

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/28/1553756/-Benedict-Donald-is-likely-in-violation-of-the-Logan-Act

The short version: In US law is the Logan Act, which forbids unauthorized private individuals from negotiating with adversarial foreign powers that are in dispute with the U.S. It’s intended to keep individuals from undermining the U.S. government’s position. It reads as follows:

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).


So what was America’s least experienced major party presidential nominee doing when he asked Russia to sic its hackers on the emails of a high-ranking American government official? Hmmm.

From http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/laurence-tribe-trump-russia-226371?cmpid=sf#ixzz4FjE3YPwZ

Former Obama mentor: Trump's Russian hack 'jokes' could 'constitute treason'
By CAROLINE KELLY

07/28/16 01:45 PM EDT
For Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, not only do Donald “Trump's "jokes" about Russia amount to "inviting an adversary to wage cyberwar against the U.S.," but they also "appear to violate the Logan Act and might even constitute treason,” he tweeted Thursday.

Laurence Tribe @tribelaw
Trump's "jokes" inviting an adversary to wage cyberwar against the U.S. appear to violate the Logan Act and might even constitute treason.
10:35 AM - 28 Jul 2016 · Cambridge, MA, United States

The latest tweet from the liberal legal giant whose name has been floated as a Supreme Court pick comes after Trump and his campaign brushed aside the backlash over his remark. The Republican nominee himself telling Fox News that he was "being sarcastic."

“Imagine what our 1st president would've said about a candidate inviting a foreign power to intrude into a US election for the 45th president,” Tribe previously tweeted Wednesday, adding that he “must have been hallucinating” at hearing Trump’s calls for Russian hackers to infiltrate Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s emails.

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Reply Benedict Donald is in violation of the Logan Act (Original post)
backscatter712 Jul 2016 OP
Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #1
malaise Jul 2016 #3
backscatter712 Jul 2016 #4
napkinz Jul 2016 #12
napkinz Jul 2016 #10
pangaia Jul 2016 #37
napkinz Jul 2016 #41
pangaia Jul 2016 #55
Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #39
Koinos Jul 2016 #2
tonyt53 Jul 2016 #5
montana_hazeleyes Jul 2016 #33
Worktodo Jul 2016 #34
AwakeAtLast Jul 2016 #38
ProfessorPlum Jul 2016 #60
dhill926 Jul 2016 #6
phylny Jul 2016 #7
nolabear Jul 2016 #25
onecaliberal Jul 2016 #8
shraby Jul 2016 #9
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #11
napkinz Jul 2016 #13
Moonwalk Jul 2016 #14
L. Coyote Jul 2016 #15
mrmpa Jul 2016 #16
treestar Jul 2016 #17
TNNurse Jul 2016 #18
TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #19
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #26
Chemisse Jul 2016 #35
calimary Jul 2016 #43
HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #20
TNNurse Jul 2016 #27
HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #28
prayin4rain Jul 2016 #30
HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #31
prayin4rain Jul 2016 #32
kairos12 Jul 2016 #21
napkinz Jul 2016 #22
frogmarch Jul 2016 #23
former9thward Jul 2016 #24
Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #36
former9thward Jul 2016 #45
Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #46
former9thward Jul 2016 #47
Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #48
former9thward Jul 2016 #51
liberal N proud Jul 2016 #29
David__77 Jul 2016 #40
Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #50
David__77 Jul 2016 #53
Scruffy1 Jul 2016 #42
napkinz Jul 2016 #44
Lady_Chat Jul 2016 #49
modrepub Jul 2016 #52
Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #54
sarcasmo Jul 2016 #56
napkinz Jul 2016 #57
mercuryblues Jul 2016 #58
napkinz Jul 2016 #59
napkinz Jul 2016 #61

Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:15 PM

1. Lock Him Up, Lock Him Up

 

Republicans are such self-rightious assholes!

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:17 PM

3. Perfect

Fugging criminal!

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:18 PM

4. #DonaldForPrison

Works for me!

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:41 PM

10. Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!

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Response to napkinz (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:02 PM

37. Proof that dems have a great sense of humor,

something almost totally lacking in republicans....

( I know, blanket statement, BUT you know what I mean)

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Response to pangaia (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:16 PM

41. they think this guy is funny ...

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Response to napkinz (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:11 PM

55. Did you HAVE to bring him UP?



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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:07 PM

39. Yes, by all means lock up the Mangled Apricot Hellbeast.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:17 PM

2. K & R

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:20 PM

5. How any American that lived through the Cold War could accept what he said is beyond me.

 

We had bomb drills at our schools. Everybody was glued to any news source they could get for a few days in October of 1962. Hell even the Reagan fans cheering for Ronnie saying "tear down that wall. How can they accept what Trump said?

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:44 PM

33. This planet would not still be here if trump was president in

Oct 1962 type situation. Can anyone imagine him, with his temperament at a time like that?

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:50 PM

34. Agree 100%

Trump's NATO comments last week set my hair on fire. Guess the media is looking forward to the war coverage? And what's up with the weird Bromance between Trump and Putin. He says John McCain isn't a war hero but calls Putin "a great leader"? If he loves Russia so much he should go run for office there.

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Response to Worktodo (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:06 PM

38. He has now entered Bizarro World

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Response to Worktodo (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:59 PM

60. Putin's rich buddies bankroll Trump. American banks won't touch Trump because he's such a deadbeat

Trump is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Russian kleptocracy.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:21 PM

6. Ok…

This nickname is brilliant.

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Response to dhill926 (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:30 PM

7. Benedict Donald - the best thing I've read on the Internet today,

and I've read quite a bit!

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Response to phylny (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:30 PM

25. I KNOW, right?

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:32 PM

8. Good name. I posted the same thing last night. He is in violation IMO

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:39 PM

9. Isn't this a problem for Tom Cotton and friends also? Seems they stepped out of line too.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:50 PM

11. Trump has solicited donations by email from Euro politicians, repeated it after it was explained.

He doesn't give a damn.

Two things are operative here:

1) Trump is so privileged after escaping 4 or 6 bankruptcies that he thinks he can get away with anything.

2) Trump is so door-knob stupid he is running a completely amateur campaign organization and can't see how amateurish it is.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:52 PM

13. Benedict Donald!

we have a winner!!!!

perfect!

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:55 PM

14. I doubt his words will be seen as actually treasonous....

...but I'm all for chanting "Lock him up!" over it

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:03 PM

15. .... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Republican candidate for President pre-impeaches self

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:04 PM

16. Senators were in violaton......

of the Logan Act when they wrote a letter to Iran in regard to the Iran Treaty. Nothing was done. They are named below?

Senator Tom Cotton, R-AR
Senator Orrin Hatch, R-UT
Senator Charles Grassley, R-IA
Senator Mitch McConnell, R-KY
Senator Richard Shelby, R-AL
Senator John McCain, R-AZ
Senator James Inhofe, R-OK
Senator Pat Roberts, R-KS
Senator Jeff Sessions, R-AL
Senator Michael Enzi, R-WY
Senator Michael Crapo, R-ID
Senator Lindsey Graham, R-SC
Senator John Cornyn, R-TX
Senator Richard Burr, R-NC
Senator John Thune, R-SD
Senator Johnny Isakson, R-GA
Senator David Vitter, R-LA
Senator John A. Barrasso, R-WY
Senator Roger Wicker, R-MS
Senator Jim Risch, R-ID
Senator Mark Kirk, R-IL
Senator Roy Blunt, R-MO
Senator Jerry Moran, R-KS
Senator Rob Portman, R-OH
Senator John Boozman, R-AR
Senator Pat Toomey, R-PA
Senator John Hoeven, R-ND
Senator Marco Rubio, R-FL
Senator Ron Johnson, R-WI
Senator Rand Paul, R-KY
Senator Mike Lee, R-UT
Senator Kelly Ayotte, R-NH
Senator Dean Heller, R-NV
Senator Tim Scott, R-SC
Senator Ted Cruz, R-TX
Senator Deb Fischer, R-NE
Senator Shelley Moore Capito, R-WV
Senator Bill Cassidy, R-LA
Senator Cory Gardner, R-CO
Senator James Lankford, R-OK
Senator Steve Daines, R-MT
Senator Mike Rounds, R-SD
Senator David Perdue, R-GA
Senator Thom Tillis, R-NC
Senator Joni Ernst, R-IA
Senator Ben Sasse, R-NE
Senator Dan Sullivan, R-AK

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:04 PM

17. Even if it's not a violation

It's still a damn stupid thing to say. And it ought to come back to bite him in his orange ass.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:04 PM

18. We have been collecting insulting names for him.

Little Donnie (like Little Marco) was first.
Then Don the Con, but
Benedict Donald is the current favorite.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:08 PM

19. Cheeto Von Combover n/t

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:32 PM

26. Comrade Trumpsky

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:56 PM

35. I saw this here on DU: ThumpleThinSkin

A good one.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:17 PM

43. The Great Pumpkin

And I particularly like "Donald Rump" - thanks to all those photos I saw of his early campaigning days that "accidentally" cropped the "T" out!

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:16 PM

20. What government offficial. Sorry to be behind the curve on this.

I'm assuming someone other than HRC or members of the DNC. HRC isn't a government official at this time.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:32 PM

27. But the emails in discussion

are from her time as Secretary of State.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:36 PM

28. Thanks, now I understand the link.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:38 PM

30. Trump asked Russia to hack her SOS emails. n/t

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Response to prayin4rain (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:39 PM

31. Thanks. This is the problem with avoiding the continuing media Trumpathon

you can't know what you purposefully ignore.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:42 PM

32. Haha, right? Keeping track of every stupid thing he says is a full time job. nt

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:17 PM

21. Orange Hitler to jail. No wait, he might write his manifesto and make a comeback.

Make him pick up trash on the side of the road. The vest will match his hair.

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:20 PM

22. ...

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:20 PM

23. Trump is unfit

for any office. He's unfit for anything. There is something seriously wrong with him mentally, and I don't mean just in regards to this. I think he's insane.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:27 PM

24. In 200 years no one has been prosecuted for violating the Logan Act.

No one. That is because centuries ago the DOJ determined the Logan Act was unconstitutional and throughout the decades every DOJ has agreed with that. Everytime someone talks with some foreign leader or group someone in the other party claims it is a Logan Act violation. When Pelosi meet with Assad over the objections of the Bush State Department Republicans claimed a Logan Act violation.

Pelosi Meets Syrian President Despite Objections From Bush

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401351.html

When Jane Fonda met with the North Vietnamese and offered them encouragement in shooting down American planes people said she should be charged but she wasn't.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:59 PM

36. Took a while.

Pelosi not even close to what Trump did.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #36)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:49 PM

45. Can you name one legal authority that supports your position?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:54 PM

46. Supports my position?

You compared what Pelosi did to what Trump did and there is no comparison.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:03 PM

47. You are right.

If you look at the actual wording of the Logan Act what Pelosi did is a clear violation. She is lucky it is unconstitutional.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:05 PM

48. Okay sure. Done. You want to change the subject.

Trump will lose.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:18 PM

51. I'm sure he will.

But when I see you predicting it then I worry he may not.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:36 PM

29. He should be charged

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:11 PM

40. I see no scenario in which he's prosecuted for his comments.

I don't even imagine they will be politically damaging. They certainly draw attention to the issue of emails.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #40)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:08 PM

50. So it's good for Trump?

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:22 PM

53. I don't think so.

I don't think people care much about the email thing.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:16 PM

42. The Logan act is a bad joke.

One indictment in 1803 with no prosecution. Reagan tried to use it once against democratic congressman and got his ass handed to him by the Supremes.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:31 PM

44. MSNBC Homeland Security Analyst Slams Trump's Call For "Watergate"-Like Cyberattack On Clinton

MALCOLM NANCE: To be quite honest, I am really stumped. I mean, this is unprecedented what happened today. I don't believe ever in the history of the United States has a presidential candidate, or anyone in the United States government, ever advocated for a hostile foreign intelligence agency to actually infiltrate or release data that they have stolen -- potentially stolen from a U.S. citizen or a U.S. government facility or server.

And then, to marry that up with the leaks that have happened this week so that they can get information out in a blatantly obvious political warfare/cyber operation that's occurring in the United States. It is Watergate with a cyber twist, as run by the Russian intelligence services. I really just cannot believe that any of this is happening.

see video: https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/07/27/msnbc-homeland-security-analyst-slams-trumps-call-watergate-cyberattack-clinton/211962

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:07 PM

49. I love that name "Benedict Donald", so perfect for him!

I hope in the future we hear chants of it!

Thank you!

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:21 PM

52. Comrade Trump

Does not care. He's too busy riding his horse shirtless. Besides, laws are for wimps.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:26 PM

54. IOKIYAR

 

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:15 PM

56. Kick.

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:00 AM

57. kick

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:14 AM

58. Lock him up, lock him up

Trump Tower is falling down,
Falling down,
Falling down.
Trump Tower is falling down,
Orange baby!

Take the key and lock him up,
And lock him up.
And lock him up.
Take the key and lock her up,
orange baby!

How will we then build it up?,
Build it up,
Build it up.
How we will then build it up?,
Orange baby!

Build it up with silver and gold,
Silver and gold,
Silver and gold.
Build it up with silver and gold,
Orange baby!

Gold and silver you have none,
you have none,
you have none.
Gold and silver you have none,
Orange baby!

Build it up with Russian hackers,
Russian hackers,
Russian hackers.
Build it up with Russian hackers,
Orange!

Russian hackers beg and snitch
beg and snitch,
Beg and snitch.
Russian hackers beg and snitch,
Orange baby.

Build it up with people you don't pay,
You don't pay,
You don't pay.
Build it up with people you don't pay,
Orange baby!

They will sue you some day,
Some day,
Some Day.
They will sue you some day,
Orange baby.

Build it up with lies and hate,
Lies and hate,
Lies and hate.
Build it up with lies and hate,
Orange baby!

Lies and hate will only go so far,
Go so far so long,
Go so far.
Lies and hate will only go so far,
Orange baby.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:10 AM

59. ...

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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:48 PM

61. ...

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