Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:24 AM

This is not how I remember the micheal brown shooting. From wiki

[Shortly before the shooting, Brown stole several packages of cigarillos from a nearby convenience store and shoved the store clerk who tried to stop him, according to the U.S. Department of Justice examination. Brown was accompanied by his friend Dorian Johnson.[2] Wilson had been notified by police dispatch of the robbery and descriptions of the two suspects. He encountered Brown and Johnson as they were walking down the middle of the street. Wilson said that he realized that the two men matched the robbery suspects' descriptions.[3][4] Wilson backed up his cruiser and blocked them. An altercation ensued with Brown and Wilson struggling through the window of the police vehicle for control of Wilson's gun until it was fired.[5] Brown and Johnson then fled, with Wilson in pursuit of Brown. Brown stopped and turned to face the officer, then Brown moved toward him.[6] Wilson fired at Brown several times, all shots striking him in the front, with the possible exception of the two bullets fired into Brown's right arm.[7] In the entire altercation, Wilson fired a total of twelve bullets;[8] the last was probably the fatal shot.[9][10][11] Brown was unarmed and moving toward Wilson when the final shots were fired. Witness reports differed as to what Brown was doing with his hands when he was shot, but the U.S. Department of Justice found that those witnesses who said that Brown had his hands up in surrender were not credible.[12]

The shooting sparked unrest in Ferguson. The "hands up" account was widely circulated within the black community immediately after the shooting and it contributed to the strong protests and outrage about the killing of the unarmed man. The U.S. Department of Justice did not conclude that the "hands up" account was inaccurate until months later.[13] Believing accounts that Brown had his hands up in surrender when he was shot, protesters chanted, "Hands up, don't shoot." Protests, both peaceful and violent, along with vandalism and looting, continued for

I remember the "officer" initially told them the to get the 'f' out of the street it wasn't until after the shooting that the cigar theft was thrown in to the mix. To backfill after the fact.

Am I wrong?

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This is not how I remember the micheal brown shooting. From wiki (Original post)	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	OP
You are correct.	mainstreetonce	Jul 2016	#1
The Brown shooting isn't a good example of unnecessary police violence...	pipoman	Jul 2016	#2
I'm saying that wiki is trying to edit history	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#3
"Wikipedia" didn't write it, users did...	JHB	Aug 2016	#126
Blasting an unarmed person 12 times seems pretty representative to me of police violence	brush	Jul 2016	#5
See 9	pipoman	Jul 2016	#10
Look up what unarmed means. Also while you're at it look up how the cop in North Charleston also . .	brush	Jul 2016	#12
When someone charges a cop who is armed	pipoman	Jul 2016	#13
Then maybe police ought to stop carrying then	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#17
Or maybe you shouldn't side with people who try to kill cops.	pipoman	Jul 2016	#25
You believe the cop. I don't. We've all seen videos that have proved many cops lie to cover. . .	brush	Jul 2016	#61
He didn't seem to have a great track record of quality decision making...	TipTok	Jul 2016	#62
The same guy who would do this....	pipoman	Jul 2016	#63
Wilson knew nothing of the convenience store incident when he killed Brown	brush	Jul 2016	#66
Obama's Justice Department says otherwise.	pipoman	Jul 2016	#70
The white guy construction workers said he had his hands up and cop kept shooting	brush	Jul 2016	#71
"Nobody"...wrong	pipoman	Jul 2016	#73
Of course you would take the word of the cop. He's the only one who said Brown charged into . . .	brush	Jul 2016	#95
I take the word of the Justice Department	pipoman	Jul 2016	#96
"Lot of lying was going on to that grand jury"	pintobean	Jul 2016	#100
Witnesses vs. Whitewash	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#105
From the DOJ report	pintobean	Jul 2016	#116
Please do not apologize for the disjointed C&P	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#117
tl;dr dc	pintobean	Jul 2016	#118
Facts are like that	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#119
You don't offend me.	pintobean	Jul 2016	#120
There is only one reason people	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#121
It was a coded message	pintobean	Jul 2016	#122
Oh my	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#123
Lol. No, I'm done.	pintobean	Jul 2016	#124
Well said, well reasoned post. The cop apologists here probably won't give it credence . . .	brush	Aug 2016	#131
100%	rgbecker	Aug 2016	#152
The autopsy showed that his hands were down	Travis_0004	Aug 2016	#127
The autopsy doesn't, and can't possibly show that his hands were down . . .	brush	Aug 2016	#132
True, it only showed that his hands were down when he was shot.	Travis_0004	Aug 2016	#146
Which shots?	Uponthegears	Aug 2016	#147
Yes, shot while UNAMRED.	brush	Aug 2016	#149
Yep	Uponthegears	Aug 2016	#150
Felon?....do go on...	pkdu	Jul 2016	#77
He did charge towards Wilson. Its in the DOJ investigation. n/t	Waldorf	Jul 2016	#30
And you believe someone charged into 12 live bullets?	brush	Jul 2016	#67
Oh do go on, is it cause he was one of those hepped up super black men the police fear so much?	CBGLuthier	Jul 2016	#6
He charged a cop...	pipoman	Jul 2016	#9
The murderer knew nothing of the robbery at the time of the confrontation	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#16
No they aren't. So you think a badge = superman?	pipoman	Jul 2016	#23
Seems rather obvious you don't know what police brutality is.	Rex	Jul 2016	#24
Tell me after you have copped for 5 minutes.	pipoman	Jul 2016	#27
Wrong.	Rex	Jul 2016	#31
Every cop is trained to protect their weapon with deadly force.	pipoman	Jul 2016	#34
We've seen many examples of white people doing to cops things that would have gotten a black man kil	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#41
Twice as many whites are shot by police than blacks...fact.	pipoman	Jul 2016	#48
Um , wouldn't use that "fact" even if the math is correct as there is an inherent problem in it	pkdu	Jul 2016	#78
It is about the same rate as commission of murder by race...	pipoman	Jul 2016	#83
You seem to having trouble making a point? or are you just throwing out a list of unrelated data	pkdu	Jul 2016	#88
I can't help it if you can't understand...it really is simple.	pipoman	Jul 2016	#91
Dylan Roof was calmly brought into police custody after killing nine people during a prayer service	Ohioblue22	Aug 2016	#158
My purpose for posting this was in no way about police	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#29
This case was the proverbial straw on the issue of unpunished	pipoman	Jul 2016	#35
The Brown case was not legitimate use of force.	brush	Jul 2016	#68
This guy would....	pipoman	Jul 2016	#69
The guy was unarmed. The cop didn't know about the convenience store incident yet still gunned . . .	brush	Jul 2016	#72
"Unarmed" no...he was armed with legs and arms and a desire to disarm a cop	pipoman	Jul 2016	#74
There you go leaving out important details.	brush	Jul 2016	#94
So you believe his criminal counterpart over Obama's Justice Department....got it	pipoman	Jul 2016	#97
Let's see, eyewitness vs.	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#102
Eyewitness = most unreliable form of evidence	pipoman	Jul 2016	#107
Okay, so if eyewitnesses are incredible	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#108
No, my preference is body cams on every officer....	pipoman	Jul 2016	#110
Much like Trayvon was "armed" with the sidewalk	Ohioblue22	Aug 2016	#141
Again, false; the dispatcher alerted the "seating in progress", with descriptions, well before (nt)	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#56
See post 20 below...the Justice Department disagrees and actually has evidence to the contrary	pipoman	Jul 2016	#92
I think you meant to post this to someone else, because you're agreeing with me	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#93
.....	pipoman	Jul 2016	#98
I know exactly how you feel (nt)	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#99
Why would anyone charge a cop who has his gun drawn?	killbotfactory	Jul 2016	#84
Why would anyone bully and terrorize a store owner over a box of blunts?	pipoman	Jul 2016	#85
because a couple dollars worth of blunts are trivial compared to your life? nt	killbotfactory	Jul 2016	#86
No...poor judgement...many times....in rapid succession...	pipoman	Jul 2016	#87
So he was running away, stopped, turned around and charged at a cop with a gun drawn?	killbotfactory	Jul 2016	#89
Read the Obama DoJ report...it is comprehensive...	pipoman	Jul 2016	#90
Fuck that piece of shit murdering cop.	JTFrog	Jul 2016	#101
Barack Obama's Justice Department	pipoman	Jul 2016	#104
Fuck that piece of shit murdering pig.	JTFrog	Jul 2016	#113
Funny that we trusted them when they cleared Hillary	ripcord	Aug 2016	#144
Thanks for the revealing post	Uponthegears	Aug 2016	#148
No, I don't think you're wrong, I've read that more than once, too.	marble falls	Jul 2016	#4
Allow me to propose another scenario	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#7
(no one in their right mind is claiming that Wilson knew about the convenience store incident until	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#14
Just amazing	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#18
On the contrary...the JD investigation reported Wilson was aware of the robbery BEFORE he stopped	True Earthling	Jul 2016	#26
The Justice Department disagrees with you.	hack89	Jul 2016	#32
The DOJ is only right when they agree with us	ripcord	Jul 2016	#37
That's one cute and clever reply	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#58
The Wiki page references the Justice Department investigation.	hack89	Jul 2016	#59
False; the dispatcher alerted the "steaing in progress" at 11:53 am (nt)	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#55
Wikipedia is open to anyone to edit.	malthaussen	Jul 2016	#8
I know so I registered as an editor and changed it	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#15
^5	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#19
It'll be reverted.	Igel	Jul 2016	#20
Which is why wiki cannot ever be a reliable source	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#21
The sources cited can be	mythology	Jul 2016	#64
Not how I remember it either.	gollygee	Jul 2016	#11
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2016	#125
Did you read the citations noted in the Wiki?	True Earthling	Jul 2016	#22
If he knew about the robbery he would have tried to arrest them Them instead of just telling them to	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#40
Ask the Obama JD...are you pretending they didn't investigate?	pipoman	Jul 2016	#47
+1	Vattel	Aug 2016	#159
The same doj that couldn't find anything actionable with the fraud committed by the banksters	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#43
Wiki reflects what the Justice Department investigation found.	hack89	Jul 2016	#28
If he knew about the robbery he would have tried to arrest them	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#39
I suggest you find and read the Justice Department investigation	hack89	Jul 2016	#46
Oh I'm sure what they call the facts back up the conclusion	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#50
So President Obama directed the Attorney General to cover up a murder?	hack89	Jul 2016	#54
The lengths we will go	PrideofJefferson	Jul 2016	#80
Opinion sites are worth as much as the people posting their opinions about events.	Rex	Jul 2016	#33
You don't trust the Obama Justice Department?	pipoman	Jul 2016	#36
Is Wiki the JD?	Rex	Jul 2016	#38
Almost the entire wiki entry is from the Obama JD report...	pipoman	Jul 2016	#44
The Obama doj let the banksters walk, trust only goes so far. Strangely the u.s. Couldn't find	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#42
Other countries were investigating Ferguson?	pipoman	Jul 2016	#45
What do you think	Ohioblue22	Jul 2016	#49
That they weren't.	Throd	Jul 2016	#57
What do I think? I think idiots and fools think they did...	pipoman	Jul 2016	#60
The information in the OP is consistent with the Justice Department findings.	Trust Buster	Jul 2016	#51
Because you remember the media and activist narrative that spread wildly right after	Lee-Lee	Jul 2016	#52
I've always thought this particular case didn't deserve as much attention as some others.	Lil Missy	Jul 2016	#53
More context	loyalsister	Jul 2016	#65
You were listening to the same hype that sparked the awful riots.	Boudica the Lyoness	Jul 2016	#75
You are NOT wrong. You are 100 percent correct.	BlueCaliDem	Jul 2016	#76
Message to the Brown haters	Uponthegears	Jul 2016	#79
I am trying to understand	PrideofJefferson	Aug 2016	#129
how could you remember what happened?	Enrique	Jul 2016	#81
Exactly; one of the points of the BLM manifesto is "Independently investigate and prosecute police	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#109
A grand jury investigation	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#82
Ackkk this post is infested by Fuzz	Boxerfan	Jul 2016	#103
It seems to be the opposite effect imo, people are reading what they type and realize	Rex	Jul 2016	#112
It's fucking disgusting and pathetic. nt	JTFrog	Jul 2016	#114
You are correct. But whatever happened, there was no excuse to shoot Brown that many times.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#106
Well it doesn't help that the city PD was holding the entire population of POC economic	Rex	Jul 2016	#111
From 'minimum force' to 'Unleashing the Warrior Spirit'	kristopher	Jul 2016	#115
All well and good, but shooting 12 times at an unarmed, fleeing man . . .	brush	Aug 2016	#133
You may have missed my point.	kristopher	Aug 2016	#134
Sorry if I did, but what was it?	brush	Aug 2016	#135
I don't think I can make it more clear.	kristopher	Aug 2016	#136
Benghazi!	PrideofJefferson	Aug 2016	#128
Maybe because your seeing what you want to see	Ohioblue22	Aug 2016	#137
I wasn't there	PrideofJefferson	Aug 2016	#142
I wasn't there. That's cute	Ohioblue22	Aug 2016	#143
What's cute about that	PrideofJefferson	Aug 2016	#145
No I wasn't there either sorry you don't understand my point	Ohioblue22	Aug 2016	#155
My goodness	PrideofJefferson	Aug 2016	#157
you lost that one	Skittles	Aug 2016	#151
Lost? I didn't realize this was a game	Ohioblue22	Aug 2016	#153
LOLOL	Skittles	Aug 2016	#154
Ok you win?I congrats	Ohioblue22	Aug 2016	#156
Wiki article, for reference	steve2470	Aug 2016	#130
While I thank you for the heads-up on that was it really that hard to find?	Ohioblue22	Aug 2016	#138
no, just a courtesy request, that's all nt	steve2470	Aug 2016	#139
Ok thanks... I'll keep it in mind	Ohioblue22	Aug 2016	#140

Response to Ohioblue22 (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:29 AM

mainstreetonce (4,178 posts)

1. You are correct.

The chief of police originally said Wilson did not know about the robbery.

That story immediately changed when Wilson put out his story.

This is not how I remember the micheal brown shooting. From wiki

1. You are correct.

2. The Brown shooting isn't a good example of unnecessary police violence...

3. I'm saying that wiki is trying to edit history

126. "Wikipedia" didn't write it, users did...

5. Blasting an unarmed person 12 times seems pretty representative to me of police violence

10. See 9

12. Look up what unarmed means. Also while you're at it look up how the cop in North Charleston also . .

13. When someone charges a cop who is armed

17. Then maybe police ought to stop carrying then

25. Or maybe you shouldn't side with people who try to kill cops.

61. You believe the cop. I don't. We've all seen videos that have proved many cops lie to cover. . .

62. He didn't seem to have a great track record of quality decision making...

63. The same guy who would do this....

66. Wilson knew nothing of the convenience store incident when he killed Brown

70. Obama's Justice Department says otherwise.

71. The white guy construction workers said he had his hands up and cop kept shooting

73. "Nobody"...wrong

95. Of course you would take the word of the cop. He's the only one who said Brown charged into . . .

96. I take the word of the Justice Department

100. "Lot of lying was going on to that grand jury"

105. Witnesses vs. Whitewash

116. From the DOJ report

117. Please do not apologize for the disjointed C&P

118. tl;dr dc

119. Facts are like that

120. You don't offend me.

121. There is only one reason people

122. It was a coded message

123. Oh my

124. Lol. No, I'm done.

131. Well said, well reasoned post. The cop apologists here probably won't give it credence . . .

152. 100%

127. The autopsy showed that his hands were down

132. The autopsy doesn't, and can't possibly show that his hands were down . . .

146. True, it only showed that his hands were down when he was shot.

147. Which shots?

149. Yes, shot while UNAMRED.

150. Yep

77. Felon?....do go on...

30. He did charge towards Wilson. Its in the DOJ investigation. n/t

67. And you believe someone charged into 12 live bullets?

6. Oh do go on, is it cause he was one of those hepped up super black men the police fear so much?

9. He charged a cop...

16. The murderer knew nothing of the robbery at the time of the confrontation

23. No they aren't. So you think a badge = superman?

24. Seems rather obvious you don't know what police brutality is.

27. Tell me after you have copped for 5 minutes.

31. Wrong.

34. Every cop is trained to protect their weapon with deadly force.

41. We've seen many examples of white people doing to cops things that would have gotten a black man kil

48. Twice as many whites are shot by police than blacks...fact.

78. Um , wouldn't use that "fact" even if the math is correct as there is an inherent problem in it

83. It is about the same rate as commission of murder by race...

88. You seem to having trouble making a point? or are you just throwing out a list of unrelated data

91. I can't help it if you can't understand...it really is simple.

158. Dylan Roof was calmly brought into police custody after killing nine people during a prayer service

29. My purpose for posting this was in no way about police

35. This case was the proverbial straw on the issue of unpunished

68. The Brown case was not legitimate use of force.

69. This guy would....

72. The guy was unarmed. The cop didn't know about the convenience store incident yet still gunned . . .

74. "Unarmed" no...he was armed with legs and arms and a desire to disarm a cop

94. There you go leaving out important details.

97. So you believe his criminal counterpart over Obama's Justice Department....got it

102. Let's see, eyewitness vs.

107. Eyewitness = most unreliable form of evidence

108. Okay, so if eyewitnesses are incredible

110. No, my preference is body cams on every officer....

141. Much like Trayvon was "armed" with the sidewalk

56. Again, false; the dispatcher alerted the "seating in progress", with descriptions, well before (nt)

92. See post 20 below...the Justice Department disagrees and actually has evidence to the contrary

93. I think you meant to post this to someone else, because you're agreeing with me

98. .....

99. I know exactly how you feel (nt)

84. Why would anyone charge a cop who has his gun drawn?

85. Why would anyone bully and terrorize a store owner over a box of blunts?

86. because a couple dollars worth of blunts are trivial compared to your life? nt

87. No...poor judgement...many times....in rapid succession...

89. So he was running away, stopped, turned around and charged at a cop with a gun drawn?