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Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:46 AM

 

This Election is Not About Clinton or Trump

For me, it never has been. It wouldn't have mattered to me if we nominated Biden or Bernie or Hillary. It wouldn't have mattered to me if they nominated Kasich or Bush or Cruz or Trump.

I agree with Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan on one thing. This election is about the Supreme Court. All other issues pale by comparison. There will be as many as three new appointments. The first one will tip the balance of the Court immediately. The Republicans are willing to publicly call Trump a racist in one breath, and support him in the next. It's all about the Court. They get it and we should, too.

Whatever you think of Hillary (and, by the way, I love her and always have), she will appoint Justices who will side with us on all the key issues. Citizens United, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Women's Rights, Union Rights (my chief concern), LGBT Rights, Environmental Rights and the list goes on. We here, at Democratic Underground, as well as the Democratic Party as a whole, are a coalition of people who have priority issues. Mine is Labor. Each of these decisions break along party lines. The Justices appointed by Republican Presidents tend to vote against us, the Democratic appointees vote with us. Occasionally, Justice Kennedy will swing our way. We know that a Conservative, Republican justice will be replaced immediately due to Scalia's death. Our hero, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, most likely will retire during the next Presidential term. Kennedy is then the next oldest. So, there is a very good chance a Conservative, A Liberal and Swing vote will be replaced during the next four years. Those terms are lifetime, and usually run for 30 years.

This is no time to quarrel among ourselves. This is no time to debate issues that we can debate during the primary process 4 years from now. This is a time to look at what will shape our lives and the precedents on issues that are important to us for the bulk of our lives (or, in my case, the rest of my life. I'm 63 years old).

Let's keep our eyes on the prize. This is a once in a generation opportunity, either for us or for them. This really is a perfect analogy of "don't bite your nose off to spite your face."

I am working to get Hillary elected President. When issues come up, I won't mind disagreeing with her, after the election. But I know what's important right now, and that's the Supreme Court. And we only have one chance to advance our causes. That chance is the election of Hillary Clinton. Period.

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Reply This Election is Not About Clinton or Trump (Original post)
louis c Jul 2016 OP
quickesst Jul 2016 #1
louis c Jul 2016 #3
quickesst Jul 2016 #7
DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #2
MADem Jul 2016 #4
winetourdriver Jul 2016 #8
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #5
Johnyawl Jul 2016 #56
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #57
spanone Jul 2016 #6
mahannah Jul 2016 #9
Different Drummer Jul 2016 #26
Chicago1980 Jul 2016 #30
Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #10
Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #11
runaway hero Jul 2016 #37
Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #40
runaway hero Jul 2016 #43
Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #47
runaway hero Jul 2016 #50
Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #52
keithbvadu2 Jul 2016 #53
Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #55
3catwoman3 Jul 2016 #59
runaway hero Jul 2016 #58
COLGATE4 Jul 2016 #12
louis c Jul 2016 #61
Liberal In Red State Jul 2016 #13
Overseas Jul 2016 #14
kairos12 Jul 2016 #15
greymattermom Jul 2016 #16
volstork Jul 2016 #17
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #18
shraby Jul 2016 #19
NNadir Jul 2016 #20
LostinRed Jul 2016 #21
Hekate Jul 2016 #22
runaway hero Jul 2016 #44
ThoughtCriminal Jul 2016 #23
markj757 Jul 2016 #24
louis c Jul 2016 #31
markj757 Jul 2016 #35
auntpurl Jul 2016 #34
markj757 Jul 2016 #39
auntpurl Jul 2016 #41
markj757 Jul 2016 #48
auntpurl Jul 2016 #49
SunSeeker Jul 2016 #25
paleotn Jul 2016 #27
beachbum bob Jul 2016 #28
fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #29
louis c Jul 2016 #32
Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #33
Her Sister Jul 2016 #36
runaway hero Jul 2016 #38
First Speaker Jul 2016 #42
louis c Jul 2016 #45
First Speaker Jul 2016 #46
redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #51
nolabels Jul 2016 #54
louis c Jul 2016 #62
nolabels Jul 2016 #63
Panich52 Jul 2016 #60

Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:52 AM

1. I'm 64 years young...

... and I can still kick a thread when it's deserving.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:54 AM

3. I'll be 64 in September

 

We really can tell these kids a thing or two about 1968, can't we.

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Response to louis c (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:08 AM

7. In 1968...

... I did something that changed my life for the better. I moved from Arkansas to California. I made a trip back several years ago and I can't honestly say that now. Don't get me wrong. I was born in Arkansas, and I bleed Razorback red, but the move to California opened my eyes to a whole new world. Ah, the memories.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:54 AM

2. Kickety kick kick. . .

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:55 AM

4. Kaine, like Clinton, is on the right side of the gun issue, too.

Kaine got an F from the NRA, and still won election. VA TECH happened on his watch, and he is sick of the carnage.

Me too....

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Response to MADem (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:14 AM

8. Kaine

The more I learn about Kaine, the happier I become about her choice.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:56 AM

5. Agreed ... the SCOTUS

(and to a lesser degree other federal judges) .... will shape our country, culture and laws for generations. their impact is felt long after a particular president or party has left office

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:21 PM

56. There is 90 vacacies in the Federal Courts...


...Be cause the republicans won't move on Pres. Obama's nominees. They're waiting for the election, hoping to stack the courts with conservatives.

The US Court of Appeals has 10 and the US District Courts have 71.

All of the current Justices have come out of the US Court of Appeals, so getting moderates and liberals into that court will provide a "farm team" for future SCOTUS appointments.

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Response to Johnyawl (Reply #56)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:23 PM

57. Exactly ... these vacancies would be immediately filled by conservative ....

... right wing judges

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:59 AM

6. K&R...

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:52 AM

9. Iíll be 69 in December...

My heart, soul and mind are with Sanders, but Iíll vote for Clinton because of the Supreme Court.

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Response to mahannah (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:25 PM

26. ^^^This.^^^ n/t

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Response to mahannah (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:50 PM

30. I wish diehard millennials had this attitude.

They don't seem to see the importance of the courts and what could happen.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:56 AM

10. K & R ......for visibility..

Absolutely! That's why the Repubs won't allow Obama's choice, even though he is actually fairly conservative.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:57 AM

11. Massive K & R from this 70-year-old. Let's keep our eyes on the real prize.

 

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:25 PM

37. Wow, I thought you were a 23 year old student for some reason.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:33 PM

40. Should I be flattered or incensed? LOL! Do I sound "wet-behind-the-ears" or a bit callow?

 

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:43 PM

43. Flattered LOL

Just because you're in Paris, I assumed you were a graduate student

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #43)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:53 PM

47. My "salad days" as a graduate student here in Paris are long past. I'm now a retired

 

"professeur d'anglais".

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #47)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:21 PM

50. Congrats on the retirement!

I would have loved to take your class!

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #50)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:29 PM

52. Thanks. Don't think you would've been eligible, however. I taught TOEFL classes.

 

Teaching of English as a Foreign Language

I presume that, as a native speaker, you wouldn't have needed what I was offering! LOL!



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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #52)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:01 PM

53. Could Sarah Palin sign up for your class?

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #53)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:11 PM

55. She'd probably need remedial classes first! Bwaahaaaaa!

 

Seriously, many of my French students were more proficient in their second language than she is in her first.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #55)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:03 AM

59. That is unfortunately true for...

...many native English speakers, IMO. I am frequently distressed by how sloppy many are in both speaking and writing.

"Me and him went to the movies." Aauuugggghhhhhh!

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #52)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:55 PM

58. No I wouldn't :)

but i'm sure you brought smiles to many french people learning a new language.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:01 AM

12. I'd like to kick this 100 times!!!!!!!

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:32 AM

61. kick in the AM. thanks

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:05 AM

13. I couldn't agree more! I have many friends who are now saying the system is broken and they

are voting for the Libertarian ticket. I'm stunned! Just when we have a chance to set the Supreme Court for the next generation . . . they are going to possibly squander this opportunity😡😡😡😡. I am neither a strong Hillary supporter nor am I anti . . . I just want to not let this moment in time slip through our fingers. I lived thru the Nader debacle and the wasted years because Gore was not dynamic enough for some of the core liberals. We lost 2 elections because we did not fight the right and protect the right to vote and to count each vote. If you don't think Rove and his minions won't try and manipulate the vote because it is Trump . . . you're nuts! The core right is enraged and will be at the polls . . . I'm betting there will be violence on Election Day as the right tries to keep voter turnout low . . . They have been working hard for 4 years to restrict the vote and nothing has been done in that time to secure the ballot boxes from being tampered with. We need Bernie's army, Obama to mobilize the minority vote for an all white ticket, the youth to march on the ballot box, and we need the Latinos to show up in mass numbers. This election and the hatred of the left for everything the right did to denigrate, disrespect and disgrace President Obama for the last 8 years should be over before the votes west of the Mississippi are counted! We have an opportunity to show the right fanatics that they are dead! Let's come together and bury them and their hatred, racism, and ignorance once and for all! We need voters to understand the ticket and vote for each Senator, Governor and Rep that will flip the Congress and run them "sons of b**ches" back into the swamps . . . for good! This opportunity will likely not come again for many of us during our lifetime! We blew it after Nixon . . . We can not squander this again!

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:20 AM

14. K&R. Yes please!

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:26 AM

15. Given that some Federall judge positions

have been left open up to 10 years I think it's possible a Republican Senate would block a SCOTUS nominee by Hillary her entire term. How would they do that? The convention layer the groundwork saying she was treasonous and is not legitimate as President. The Democrats in the Senate would have to go nuclear to get a nominee through.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:27 AM

16. Some folks younger than me think they have certain rights

but forget that anything you think you have can be taken away by one vote, sometimes by one person. It's not just about making progress, but about keeping what we all think we already have.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:29 AM

17. Well put!

Proud to K&R!

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:40 AM

18. Elect D Senate. Elect D Legislatures to squash gerrymndering. Make Ryan sweat & maybe a D House. nt

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:42 AM

19. I've been saying that since day one. The Supreme court is the main goal of this election,

and every election. Politicians come and go but the Supreme court shapes this country.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:43 AM

20. Very true. I wouldn't weep if that incompetent idiot Clarence Thomas will join his pal...

...Scalia in hell soon enough.

But Justice Ginsberg is very old, as is the "swinger" Anthony Kennedy.

These votes will affect the country far into the future. One can't imagine the insane Mr. Trump appointing people to this court.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:48 AM

21. Thank you

I've been saying this for a long time. If Trump is President, even the most liberal/progressive dream President replace him their policies will be overturned by a Trump supreme court this isn't about the next four year it is about the next 20!

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:50 AM

22. I'm another voter now in my late 60s. This is our last chance to get the Court in the right hands...

At this point in Obama's first run for POTUS I felt so keenly that electing him was a CHANCE for America to right our course after the depredations of BushCheney. I believe Obama has done his human best, despite the backlash from the RW/GOP.

This election cycle the RW has doubled down, and vomited forth Trump, with Cruz in the wings. After 8 years of Obama, who will go down in history as one of our great presidents, our nation's future still stands on the edge of a knife thanks to the RW.

God help us.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:43 PM

44. Agreed.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:51 AM

23. This Election: What kind of people are we?

ďThere is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.Ē

― Book of G'Quan (Babylon 5)

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:57 AM

24. I will vote for Hillary, but to me, its just not an inspiring ticket.....

 

I would love to have more of a reason to vote for someone, than voting against the alternative. Republicans may have a horrible option, but there are so many Democrats like me who aren't jumping for joy either. And we were holding on to her picking a VP that would inspire and excite us, and once we again, we were let down. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to sugarcoat how I feel, and I can't stand Trump.

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Response to markj757 (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:52 PM

31. This post is directed specifically toward you

 

You are exactly the type of voter we need to not only vote for Hillary, but work for Hillary.

It is a sin to make the perfect the enemy of the good.

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Response to louis c (Reply #31)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:19 PM

35. Believe me, I get it....but I'm going to tell you something.....

 

I don't like the feeling that my vote is being taken for granted because the alternative is so much worse. Bernie came within inches of beating her in the primary. I almost was for Bernie myself if he had moderated a few of his positions. But I, and the millions of people who voted for Bernie deserved a VP pick that reflects the passions of our liberal base, and this feels like another one of her calculated political decisions to get more white men, that we have to shut-up and accept, because Trump is so much worse. And it kinda makes me sick to my stomach, because we deserve so much better. To the liberal wing of the democratic party, her slogan should be, "What the hell are you going to do, vote for Trump?" What she doesn't realize is that a lot of us have to hold our nose and vote for her, and now we have to accept this as well. And she wonders why people can't stand her.

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Response to markj757 (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:09 PM

34. Have you watched Tim Kaine's speech from today?

I would recommend you watch it. He is an inspiring man with an inspiring life story. Here it is; I hope you watch it.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #34)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:30 PM

39. Yes, I watched portions....but I grew up in Virginia.....I really like Tim Kaine....

 

that doesn't mean I want him on a ticket as VP with Hillary Clinton. Especially considering the millions of people who voted for Bernie. We deserved a more liberal choice for VP. Give us more of a reason to vote for you besides, the other guy is so much worse. Cause in 4 years, if the Republican party comes to their senses and nominates someone like John Kasich, I can assure you she is going to be in trouble. By the way, I would have loved a Warren/Kaine ticket!

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Response to markj757 (Reply #39)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:39 PM

41. Here are some reasons I'm voting for Clinton/Kaine that aren't

"the other guy is so much worse".

Paid family leave - I don't have children myself, but I'm in my 40s and most of my friends are mothers several times over - I know so many women who struggled so hard to either find adequate childcare or scrape together enough pennies to stay just a few more weeks with their newborn babies. And these were middle class families! Imagine how the working poor have to do it.

Gun control - as a gun owner himself, Tim Kaine is a perfect surrogate for Hillary in her strong commitment to pass common sense gun laws. He took on the NRA in VA and won. He was governor for the VA Tech tragedy - he knows firsthand the devastation that can be caused with unregulated gun ownership. Hillary has been bold on this issue - she's risking votes, but she's obviously passionate about it.

Climate change - Hillary has a comprehensive plan to build a green energy infrastructure and create thousands of jobs at the same time. She lost votes in WVA by admitting coal is over and it's not coming back. She doesn't support fracking as so many of her naysayers say. She thinks it's the least bad option to get people to work and school and heat homes and clean clothes and cook dinner, until a better option gets built across what is an extremely large country.

Tuition-free college at public universities - a fantastic platform point that I'm really glad Bernie publicised.

Addiction - Hillary wants to improve treatment and prevention. She's willing to invest in this. This stops the pipeline of young men entering prisons (not to mention committing crimes!). As a psychologist, this is an issue very near and dear to me.

I could go on. I don't know if my words will have any impact on you. But my vote for Hillary is definitely not because "the other guy is so much worse" (Although he obviously is!). She inspires me.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #41)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:01 PM

48. I respect that, and I'm glad she inspires you, like Elizabeth Warren inspires me

 

In spite of everything, believe me, I really hope she wins.

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Response to markj757 (Reply #48)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:07 PM

49. On that we can agree!

Thanks for reading my replies and engaging civilly.

Bedtime for me in the UK. Enjoy your weekend.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:03 PM

25. K & R

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:27 PM

27. Very, VERY much agree! kick / rec. n/t

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:42 PM

28. totally agree...electing a democratic administration is our job #1

 

and a democratic congress...everything else is NOISE....too much at stake and we must take a stand finally against the growing fascism dominating conservative circles

when all democrats vote....WE WIN

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:45 PM

29. K&R

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 06:42 PM

32. Thanks

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 06:44 PM

33. k&r

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:23 PM

36. SCOTUS!!! Yes this will make a real difference for generations!

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:25 PM

38. Agreed.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:41 PM

42. Prediction: if Hillary wins and the Senate remains GOP...

...they'll obstruct her Supreme Court choices for the whole four years of her term. They won't care if the Court ends up with three members. The GOP is in full rule-or-ruin mode, and will remain that way. Of course, it goes without saying that they'll act similarly with her lower Federal court selections, as well. If this sounds crazy--well, is it any crazier than how they've already acted?

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #42)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:46 PM

45. Even the GOP can't obstruct judges for 4 years

 

there's an election in between, and the voters will not stand for that.

Maybe they can get away with that in the 8th year of a second term, but certainly not in the 1st year of a first term.

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Response to louis c (Reply #45)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:48 PM

46. I think we've seen the "voters" will stand for anything...

...but I hope to God you're right...

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:25 PM

51. K&R!!!!!!

I don't think some of the newer members of the party really get it. If they only knew how a right wing Supreme Court can screw with their lives!

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:04 PM

54. You are incorrect

This presidential election is about installing the most ineffectual government as they can pay for and get away with.

This could also be said about the last twelve or so. Yet since no one is noticing very much i guess i am just wasting digital space bringing it up. Have a nice day

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Response to nolabels (Reply #54)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:34 AM

62. I hope I never get as cynical as you

 

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Response to louis c (Reply #62)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:20 AM

63. It's not about being cynical, it's about results

To the billionaires who have title to so very much that they might also such a idea that they should be cynical in their agenda. Which just then turns me and you are mere numbers for them to play with. It is that trick they have used on us. The one to get us to where they have us thinking that you and me have little in common

I am dues paying Teamster for the 19 years (wish it could of been the forty i have in my trade) and hope to get at least at least another ten. My father was also in a few unions including teamsters but his employment didn't pan out as he had hoped. I use my hands and mind to make a living and not some calculation of how much i skim off of the other guys production

Also it's not that i don't have hope but more of way of needing to look at things at their most basic level like the ones playing the game against us. The establishment put Kennedy out because he would not play their game, every president since has towed their line. It just looks really that simple to me, but then again i guess you can call it with a pejorative (because it doesn't agree with what they want you to think IMO)

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:11 AM

60. K & r & tweeted

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