Dear Bernie supporters. Please. Stop!

[Cyrano]

We are facing a real danger to this country. And for those of you who don't grasp that danger, google, ask your great grandparents, or go read something about Germany in 1933.

Right now, we are in a greater danger than most people are willing to acknowledge or recognize. Trump is the biggest danger to this country that we've seen since WWII, (or Richard Nixon, or the "America First" hateful American pricks who tried to keep us from fighting Germany).

I know what it's like to fall in love with a candidate. As a matter of fact, look at those who have fallen in love with Trump as an example. And, no. Bernie is not Trump. He's a man that I would love to see in the White House.

But the time has come to choose a candidate. Hillary or Trump. The choice is yours.

And if you really don't see the difference between the two, I pity you. And I also pity what this country would be if we lived under a Trump Reich.

And for those of you who spit on this post for one reason or another because Bernie won't be prez, don't complain about what you will have to live with. You will have made it possible.

[tallahasseedem]

1. Queue the outrage!

The longer it goes on, the more frustrating it gets. The convention this week has proved that there is a clear choice, yet I'm reading that there are hundreds going to protest in Philly. WHY?!?!!!

[greiner3]

93. "WHY?!?!!!"

Because of OPs such as this.

[bjobotts]

217. In '08 at this time 25% of Hillary supporters swore they'd never vote Obama, Only 10% of Bernie

supporters are making that claim so stop with the hysteria ans stop acting like Bernie supporters don't see the full picture.
Right now it's "I'm with Her"...'cause now she is with me too as she becomes more progressive and stops siding with the corporate dems or the DLC who support TPP and fracking and deregulating banks and Wall street,,,like Kaine etc.

I'M WITH HER... CAUSE NOW SHE IS WITH ME RIGHT? Seems Hillary has the biggest choice to make about standing up for the majority of the dem party...which she is doing but we want her to do more. Buat never mistake...everyone is anti Trump and Bernie supporters are very intelligent about their choices.
So stop with the hysteria. If Clinton loses it won't be because of Bernie supporters

[BobbyDrake]

240. If you were the majority, wouldn't your candidate have won?

This is basic logic here, after all. The real "majority of Democrats" got their candidate nominated. Clinton is already "standing up for the majority of Democrats," and we are standing with her too. You're welcome to join us, but that doesn't give you a license to make demands.

Please stop misrepresenting yourselves as the "base" or the "real Democrats." It's offensive to those of us who really are the base, and who are just as much Democrats as anyone else.

[dicksmc3]

250. You're absolutely correct!!

Don't blame us Bernie supporters for the ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATIC PARTY mistakes!! If Hillary wants to earn our votes she has to earn them. I've heard that over and over this election cycle after Hillary won. Those are very true words in my opinion. Now if she is as PROGRESSIVE as she talks and looks to be, she needs a PROGRESSIVE VP. That ain't Vilsak or Kaine or Booker or anyone else who are ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS. She needs to pick Sherrod Brown or Elizabeth Warren to round out a ticket that will be UNBEATABLE!! So if Hillary loses don't blame me and the millions of others that supported Bernie. He has set the stage for an overwhelming trounce job of the Republicans this fall and all Hillary has to do is pick a good PROGRESSIVE VP, and stick to the PROGRESSIVE VALUES. Then you'll see us Bernie people back her 110%..BTW I plan on voting for her because with Trump on the other side this is the most important election in my lifetime. However many Bernie people still are undecided about Hillary and they need a cause to back her. We'll see just how PROGRESSIVE Hillary will be after next week's convention, but it really starts here with her VP pick. I hope she does the right thing and then we all can sleep a little easier....

[kerry-is-my-prez]

298. Many of the die-hard "purists" won't vote for her no matter what. We saw this in 2000 with Nader

supporters. They said there was no difference between Gore and Bush. Some still claim they made the right choice. There are just some people who have that personality type - it is impossible for them to compromise. Best to not try to reason with them because it just increases their resolve. In a political campaign, you can't afford to put a lot of effort into those types.

You are honestly better off appealing to another group that is more likely to vote for you.

Some people do not seem to grasp the fact that the concept is that the candidate needs to win, not to please people who will never vote for them.

[KPN]

273. Exactly!!!

[tk2kewl]

245. because the party still thinks killing the New Deal I'da winning strategy

[KPN]

272. +1! Exactly.

Dissent is treasonous here it seems.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

297. For shame TallahasseeDem - you are the secret cause! - lol!

[tecelote]

150. Disenfranchise Bernie supporters.

Minimize their concerns.

Good tactic. That'll get them on-board

[Jeffersons Ghost]

165. I campaigned and voted for Sanders. Who got an idea ANY real Sanders supporter would vote for Trump?

Racist and progressives have nothing in common. I have spoken to numerous young people, women and minorities with Bernie bumper stickers on their vehicles and every one of them intends to vote against Trump. None of us are stupid enough to write in a vote or vote for some obscure political party that never won a major election. This is not the Republican Primary, where divisiveness is rampant. It's now Clinton or bust; and most REAL Sanders supporters - not online imposters - know it!

[Dustlawyer]

203. +1!!!

[Raster]

216. I could not agree more. Hillary was not my first choice for our Nominee...

...HOWEVER, Trump/Pence is UNACCEPTABLE.

Hillary Clinton has my vote!

[BobbyDrake]

241. Stop bashing Clinton supporters. You lost, and thats not a productive way to deal with it.

"true Democrats"
"real Democrats"

Stop it with this bullshit already.

[KPN]

275. Why do you have such a hard time understanding that one can think that "establishment

Democrats" aren't representative of "real Democrats" in the Party's historical sense, but still vote for the Democrat on the ticket, regardless of who that is? You seem to have a problem with people voicing concern that the Party has not adequately represented the economic interests of average people over the past 30 years or so.

[BobbyDrake]

294. You can call yourselves "real Democrats" but that doesn't make it true.

In fact, it sounds more like Tea Parties who promoted themselves as "real conservatives" despite the fact that they were clearly a temporary fringe movement.

And dissent all you want, I don't care; just don't be dishonest and pretend you speak for a majority of this party. The majority of Democrats, the actual genuine base of the party, supported Clinton, and she won. You seem to have a hard time understanding that.

And we do care about and fight for the interests of average Americans. Just because we don't use the tactics you demand doesn't give you the right to elevate yourself to some high horse from which to look down on us. After all, we're the ones doing the hard work to get Democrats elected so that they can, you know, actually govern. We don't have the luxury of whining from the sidelines like some folks do.

[Craig234]

295. Your logic is wrong

Your logic is, the majority of the party always is the "genuine base" of the party.

In other words, the majority is never wrong.

So when FDR put the Japanese American population in internment camps, there could be no argument he had violated the party's values. The majority had spoken.

When Bill Clinton appointed people like Robert Rubin, and supported centrist/conservative/third way policies, such as slashing the budget for welfare, greatly increasing sentences for especially black people, and re-regulating Wall Street - that was our values.

There was no argument to be made that anything he did might not be lined up with the party's values - the majority had spoken.

So, when Frank Rich writes in "Listen, Liberal" that the party has moved to the right and abandoned the working class, he's just wrong, because the majority has spoken.

And when it's argued that our elections get corrupted by big money, buying massive advertising and marketing, with members of Congress spending half their time on the phone fundraising, over half going to lobbying when they leave - it's all wrong.

There's no problem, all those things are the party's values, the majority spoke and that's the end of the discussion.

And that's wrong. "The majority" is not always right. It gets to set the policies, but there's a reason the minority can talk.

Even though you call arguing for better values the luxury of whining, instead of letting you have the power without any challenge.

[BobbyDrake]

296. I never said "the majority is always right." Straw man alert!

When you argue that you're the "base" AND the "majority" AND the candidate you back subsequently loses, you're the one who is wrong.

[Craig234]

300. The straw man was your post

You took the argument of what someone thinks is the party's real values - which are NOT always those chosen by the majority of the party - and created the straw man that the measure of what the party's real values are are whatever the majority votes for.

Your argument is nothing more than a claim the majority is always right, though you deny it.

You say now that if you claim you are the majority and your candidate loses, you're wrong, but that is a straw man when the claim isn't that the Bernie wing is "the majority".

The post you replied to is #275. Nowhere odes it say they are "the majority". That is your straw man.

[BobbyDrake]

305. Nope. Not even close. The post to which I replied was trying to claim the mantle of "real Democrat"

That's what I was refuting. Nowhere did I say "the majority is always right." And it's sad that not only do you try to put words in someone's mouth when you come up empty in the argument department, but you continue to do it even when exposed.

Here, I'll repeat my argument, because you clearly skipped it to jump to attacking me.
The majority of Democrats, the actual genuine base of the party, supported Clinton, and she won.

What's missing? Anything on which someone could base an argument that I'm claiming that "the majority is always right."

You're going to fail at baiting me with this weak shit. Move along.

[Craig234]

312. That's ironic

You describe what you did, not what I did quite well:

"And it's sad that not only do you try to put words in someone's mouth when you come up empty in the argument department, but you continue to do it even when exposed. "

Oh, and you do it again:

"You're going to fail at baiting me with this weak shit. Move along. "

Again and again, you attacked with nothing but the claim of the majority as your argument.

"The majority of Democrats, the actual genuine base of the party" - those are your words.

So, right off the top, you are claiming the only "genuine base" - implying the only right positions - belong to the majority.

Not a word in your post allowed for any possibility that the "real" values of Democrats might be a minority view.

Quote where your post did. It didn't.

So, let's make this clear with an example.

What are the "real Democratic Party values" on gay rights equality? Write your answer down.

For two hundred years, the majority of the Democratic Party have voted against equality.

The last few years, the majority of the party is for equality.

So, someone earlier who said the 'real values of the party' should support equality would get your post attacking them:

"And dissent all you want, I don't care; just don't be dishonest and pretend you speak for a majority of this party. The majority of Democrats, the actual genuine base of the party, supported [inequality], and it won. You seem to have a hard time understanding that. "

That's your response to anyone who says the majority of the party is not doing the right thing. You define the majority as the "genuine" party, and you say any disagreement with them is the "fringe" outside the party.

It's common for people to not even realize what they said and to be arguing for something they don't realize they are. That's quite possibly what you did.

I don't know, but I'm responding to what you said, and you are not.

[BobbyDrake]

314. Increasing the length of your comments doesn't make up for their hollowness.

I spoke about the majority of the part on one specific subject, supporting Hillary in the primary. That's it. Where you got the rest of your bullshit, I can't tell. You're trying to make a whole lot of something out of nothing, and continually failing.

SMH

[Craig234]

322. Whoosh

[KPN]

321. ......

[KPN]

308. You are way off base and putting words into my

mouth. I never said nor did anyone else ever say that we (whatever the hell we is in your mind) were the base or the majority. It's obvious that you are binomial in your thinking ... it either is or it isn't, you are either 100% with us or you are against us. Remember, you are the one who threw out terms and said Stop with the bullshit, not I or anyone else. You categorize, draw conclusions based on assumptions, and then judge ... all within a zero sum construct. Great way to win friends and influence people.

[BobbyDrake]

309. You wrote "real Democrats." Here, I'll quote you:

one can think that "establishment Democrats" aren't representative of "real Democrats" in the Party's historical sense

So don't try to pretend I'm saying you said something you didn't. Because you did.

And you weren't even the person to whom I originally replied "stop with the bullshit" in the first place. You jumped in here out of nowhere and came at me with your quote above. Now, since you can't even be honest about the facts of this conversation, I'm going to excuse myself from it so I don't have to put up with more of your antics.

[KPN]

320. Lol!! Way off base again.

I put "real Democrats" in quotes because I took it from your post 241. You are excused now.

[bravenak]

166. Disenfranchise?

They got the same chance to vote as the rest of us did and he got his folks on the platform committee. Their concerns are not anymore important than ours. Anybody not on board against Trump is a rightwinger or too ridiculous to listen to anymore. Period.

[NurseJackie]

167. It's weird to see words being used in ways that differ from the *actual* meaning of the word...

... and the word "disenfranchise" is one that was tossed around a lot (incorrectly) during the primaries.

[bravenak]

173. Yes, very very bizarre.

[bluedye33139]

251. Corporatists!!!!

"the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction"

And a feature of every human society for the past two thousand years. Every social organization is corporatist, if it allows groups of human beings to organize and educate for rights and privileges.

[Craig234]

302. Oh come on

Do you really need it explained what issues with corporatist mean?

It doesn't mean to get rid of all corporations.

It doesn't mean to return the US to an agrarian society of all farmers raising their own food.

It means when corporations have TOO MUCH POWER to gain too much good for them and bad for the public.

It means when corporations can prevent the public from limiting their polluting for profit.

It means when corporations are said by the Supreme Court they are persons for the purposes of constitutional rights, to that the people can be prevented from exercising control over them.

It means corporations get massive tax burden shifts off of themselves onto the public, for their profit, adding to our debt.

It means corporations defeat the public, on things like regulating them - for example, George Bush appointed 150 industry executives and lobbyists as the top regulators over their own industries.

It means corporations political organize through ALEC, which represents corporations and writes 30% of the laws passed by some Republican states, aimed at protecting their excesses.

A little common sense about what "corporatism" means, in a period when it's massively threatening the public and democracy.

[bluedye33139]

304. Yes, it's a definition completely made up

Yes, to be honest I can guess by context what wrong definition the "corporatist" folks are using. It's like when Libertarians all got excited by the word statist. Fads!

[Craig234]

311. That did not answer my post n/t

[awake]

2. As a Bernie supporter" who is now "with Her" this type of anti Bernie needs to STOP

If you were not with Hillary in 2008 just ask someone who was what it felt like back then. As my mother always said you catch more flies with Honey than Vinegar

[LuvNewcastle]

16. I agree.

What are people afraid of? Bernie isn't going to be on the ballot anywhere. All but a very few Bernie supporters are aware of the reality of the situation. If Bernie supporters want to highlight the issues Bernie stood for in his campaign, what is so bad about that?

Delegates and guests at the convention have the right to speak out and give their opinions on the issues. If some people are there to campaign for Jill Stein or a write-in Bernie campaign, that is one thing, but telling people to shut up and sit down and not allow any difference of opinion is not the way to gather support for Hillary.

[KPN]

278. This^^!

[pnwmom]

40. I remember that Hillary nominated Obama at the convention and we were completely unified,

as we had been since June 8, 2008.

Bernie needs to step up to the plate.

[riversedge]

127. Have you seen this petition??

I had thought these things were gone but seems it is active.


https://www.change.org/p/sign-share-everywhere-we-will-never-vote-for-hillary-make-bernie-sanders-the-democratic-nominee/u/17324990

[pnwmom]

132. Idiots or RW trolls. nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

154. Oh wow, that's totally representative of everyone who supported Bernie.

NOT

[Craig234]

248. 13 million+ voted for Bernie. 56,000 signed the petition.

But thanks for making it an issue.

[Act_of_Reparation]

258. OH TEH NOES

This petition has just under 60,000 signatures. The Democratic Party alone claims more than 40 million members. Let's plug that in to the Fail-A-Tron 9000 Super-Handy Demographics Calculator and... these traitorous fishmongers constitute 0.15% of the Democratic base.

Surely the bad behavior of 0.4% of the 13 million people that voted for Bernie in the primary is sufficient evidence to conclude that "Bernie Supporters" in general are doing something awful and need to stop.

[tiredtoo]

76. Amen to that

This post should not even be here. We are trying to unite not divide.

[larkrake]

147. I do not see anyone trying to unite, rather Bernies being told to sit down and shut up.

The real problem was the choosing of the nominee before the primary even began, all dems were bushwacked and there is no cure for that mistake, it has grown only resentment and the realization that this country may have to experience Hell before people of all stripes take elections seriously.

[Akamai]

210. Yes, well -- I agree with you, and still want Bernie to make his points and earn

additional victories for all of us -- such as related to climate change (carbon tax, anyone?), banking regulations, etc.

Still, I will vote in the general and I will vote for Hillary. But I do wish she would embrace the progressive side more.

[AllyCat]

87. ^^^This

[barbtries]

110. that's right.

this bullying bullshit is not helpful. i was in the process of trashing the entire thread when i saw your post and just wanted to say thank you.

[Dustlawyer]

129. +1!!!

[chwaliszewski]

228. A quote from Cheers' Woody Harrelson Season 7 Episode 5

Sam: You know what they say: You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Woody: Maybe I shouldn't be butting in here, but you can catch the most with dead squirrels.

[Amimnoch]

253. As a Hillary supporter from the beginning... I agree 100% with you.

This OP doesn't help.

[KPN]

280. Yay!! Thank you for that!

[Pluvious]

293. Last I checked the Bernie supporters have no PUMA equivalent meme

The enraptured Hilary supporters that see not one blemish nor shortcoming in "her," and slam, belittle, and purge any attempt at reasoned discourse Bernie supporters bring up ARE the problem.

They sure as heck are not the solution.

Come together, right fucking now !

Excuse my French.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

299. I think they are reacting more to people who are trolling here who may not really be Bernie sup-

porters. If they really had that much respect for Bernie they would be listening to Bernie not trying to be divisive.

[RAFisher]

3. Voted for Bernie but I'm 100% for Clinton after seeing this mess.

The electoral college makes 3rd parties not viable. If no one gets to 270 then Trump wins with the GOP controlled House.

[austinlw]

49. Amen!

I'm there too and have been since the outcome was apparent.

[onecaliberal]

156. Watching the repuke convention did it for me

[geek tragedy]

4. most Bernie supporters have already decided to vote for Clinton.

not sure what you're going on about

[Squinch]

10. I agree, and I am very glad to see it, but there are a number of "She's unacceptable to me" comments

popping up again in threads.

It had gotten better, but I am seeing it seeping back in.

Same names as you'd expect, but really, after watching this nightmare this week, I have no patience for it.

[auntpurl]

23. Ditto what you just said.

Insidious creeping into posts again. Really don't want to hear it after watching the Nuremberg rally in Cleveland every night.

[Squinch]

25. The transparent concern trolling threads are getting on my last nerve too. We don't have time for it

[Andy823]

79. I agree

It's nothing but BS when they come here and try and act concerned when all they are really doing is the same old crap, but in a way they think they won't get their post removed. Same old names, and some new ones, crossing over from that "we hate Hillary" site cause problems. I guess the "echo" chamber over there doesn't help them with their addiction of hate for Hillary.

[progressoid]

206. The is an alert button and a hide function.

[Squinch]

207. Yes. And forums too. And there are latest threads and home tabs. This is a nice stroll

through the DU features.

[calimary]

142. And it's not just here, either.

What concerns me in the "she's unacceptable to me" department - those who decide they have to vote for a ZERO like Jill Stein. Are you KIDDING me? MAN, talk about "she's unacceptable..."

But all I have to say to the Bernie supporters who've come aboard with Hillary - is -

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!

[Sienna86]

202. Can't agree that Jill Stein is a zero.

She's a graduate of Harvard Medical School and a physician. She advocates clean energy and campaign finance reform. Come on, no need to denigrate this woman. There's room for people who hold these values in our world.

[calimary]

211. I actually made an attempt to hear her out.

Found a 14-or-so minute clip of an interview Jill Stein did with Maria Bartiromo and friends. I watched it, and was aghast, listening to Dr. Stein. Or at least trying to listen to her. All she did, throughout, was babble about how we merely need to cancel the debt, and that would magically lead us to the economy of our dreams. Simplistic as hell, never described how that would happen, never had any details, never explained how it worked, and the word salad that she did offer was utterly palin-esque. Complete with the occasional giggle and chuckle punctuating her assertions. Sienna86, I almost literally started getting dizzy trying to make sense of what she was saying. My eyes started crossing. Bartiromo and friends had trouble making sense of it, too.

I kept thinking - THIS is a Harvard MD? She made no sense. None. She did not do herself proud.

My takeaway was that this was NO well-equipped or seriously-considered candidate for the biggest, hardest, and most complicated job in the world. I figure she's undoubtedly a good doctor, who, with that Harvard degree, would certainly be worth one's trust as one's doctor. Ben Carson certainly has earned that respect, as a neurosurgeon. Her credentials suggested giving her some serious and fair consideration, especially since her name does come up every now and then during this campaign season. But I've gotta tell you - I heard enough from her not to want to trust her with any political, national, or international affairs. She sounded exactly like someone who's in WAY over his/her head. Agonizingly so. Btw - my own doctor is terrific. I like and respect her a lot, and I have great and continuing confidence in her. She's the doctor to whom I took my kids - from the time they were born, onward into adulthood. But I sure don't regard her as suitable to run for President. I'm sure Jill Stein can make many contributions with her skill set and her intellect and experience. But she's not suitable to run for President.

To say I was disappointed is not accurate. I was shocked. I went away shaking my head after that, and fearing that she'd accomplish nothing in November except to provide us with a 2016 version of Ralph Nader.

And, certainly, that's just me. But watching and listening to her showed me enough to make me want to run screaming into the night. Either that, or find some Dramamine or something. I felt that dizzy trying to watch and listen to her, and follow along.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

307. A lot of physicians I know are pretty eccentric but they are smart.

[KPN]

282. Really? I haven't seen any.

I have seen Kaine is unacceptable as a VP pick, but none saying HRC is. I feel like there's just a lot of "you are either with us 100%, or against us" underlying this OP. Seems trite and not very thoughtful.

[Squinch]

283. OK. Well. I have.

[KPN]

289. For example?

[cwydro]

18. Ditto.

Anyone who votes for Trump...I got no words for it.

[Chasstev365]

42. And I am one of them!

I will NOT sit by and watch Trump fuck up, not just America, but the world.

I don't know why the poster thinks Bernie supporters are still holding out. Haven't seen it here in 2 weeks.

[awoke_in_2003]

109. There are grumblings...

that some of his delegates are going to raise a fuss at the convention. I really hope this is false- we don't just need a win in November, we need an undeniable landslide.

[geek tragedy]

153. there'll be a few, but compare what Bernie says to what Ted Cruz just did

night and day

[awoke_in_2003]

159. True. nt

[Jim Lane]

160. A fuss at the convention will HELP Clinton.

Bernie's supporters should get all the rally permits they want. They'll find it easier to vote for Clinton in November if they've made their dissatisfaction clear in July.

It will also help her with the swing voters. The Republicans will of course be attacking her as too far to the left -- in fact, irony of ironies, they'll even say she's a socialist. (If only.) To the woolly-minded swing voters who value centrism for its own sake, believing that the truth must always be near the middle, she can paint herself as the happy medium between the actual socialists on the left and the Trump crazies on the right. The more visibility there is for the criticism of her from the left, the more she can play that card.

[nikto]

232. Exactly. There is no problem here.

[closeupready]

5. ...

[zipplewrath]

6. I think your history might be a tad weak

This looks far more like Huey P. Long.

This campaign will be won or lost by the candidates themselves. I'm far more concerned about the down ticket races. Even when we GOTV we have a hard time getting them to even consider the state level races.

[Fast Walker 52]

74. No, Donald is freaking dangerous

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12247074/donald-trump-nato-war

[zipplewrath]

104. So was Long

But Long was a populist, much like Trump. The fascists of the mid 20th century were not, until after they took power. Most of them could barely get elected to parliament, if at all. Long on the other hand was elected to both the Senate and Governor. We got "lucky" with Long that he was never able to challenge FDR. FDR was very worried about him at the time. Long was the guy most likely to unseat him.

[mobeau69]

174. Thank you. I truly appreciate Sam's special abilities.

[demmiblue]

7. Please cut the primary drama.

[arthritisR_US]

8. Your historical perspective is astute and prescient, thank you! I hope

for your country that other Bernie supporters take heed.

[Exilednight]

9. Pot meet kettle.

Nothing like rehashing the primaries.

[JaneQPublic]

11. Polls show 85% of Bernie's folks have already transitioned to Hillary.

And the remaining holdouts are probably mostly folks who just need more time dealing with their disappointment and will come around by Election Day.

The smaller portion of the holdouts, I figure, are folks who would have been Nader and/or Green Party supporters if Bernie didn't run this time and never had any allegiance to the Democratic Party to begin with.

Our time would be better spent, not in badgering the Bernie folks, but in concentrating on making sure everyone who wants to vote for Hillary can, i.e., is registered, meets all the latest election rules, knows where to vote, has a means to get there, etc.

[Cyrano]

15. Yeah, I get it.

This post was a knee jerk reaction to someone who doesn't get it, and probably never will.

I think the freak show in Cleveland might be enough to make the most rabid Bernie supporter vote for Hillary. I can't imagine what goes on in the minds of those who plan to sit it out.

[JaneQPublic]

21. Exchanges with people like that really are aggravating...

...especially when there is so much at stake this election.

[eggplant]

116. If you really get it, and this really was just a knee jerk reaction, why not delete the OP?

[KPN]

284. BINGO!!!!! Big time!

[Pacifist Patriot]

155. Might be nice if you edited to indicate that.

I came in at a later point and the OP doesn't reflect well on you. Your broad brush is tainted.

[G_j]

191. Then why address the plural?

as in supporterS. and devote a thread to it?

[Iggo]

13. Keep fighting that primary!

[arcane1]

14. I'm not afraid of that brainless egomaniac.

Comparing him to Hitler is an insult to Hitler. Hitler had thoughts, ideas, plans. Loathsome, yes, but he had a functioning brain.

Trump has none of these.

[BadDog40]

24. There are a few things Trump would have that Hitler did not

Nukes and Twitter.

[gollygee]

33. He has colleagues with those qualities

Who would be happy to help him.

[tonybgood]

249. Just like they did Reagan!

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. Stop what?

[Ikonoklast]

247. Stop the inevitable rightward march of the Democratic Party.

Hope they like the TPP and losing their jobs, Hillary will sign it and shrug, "I had to do it, they made me!"

[pangaia]

34. Well explained.

[Lil Missy]

56. "why aren't you imploring the DNC and super delegates to support Sanders"

Because Sanders lost. HRC got more votes. The primary is OVER.

[Squinch]

86. They will never get it. The denseness is amazing.

[KPN]

285. That was a rude comment.

[Marr]

57. +1

[lastone]

59. ^^^ good post

Instead of bashing / banning any mention of Sanders or his supporters Clinton people should be trying to convince them to support Hillary. How this isn't evident is beyond me...

[Squinch]

113. No one cares to waste time "trying to convince people." If the shit show you have

witnessed this week doesn't convince you, you won't be convinced, and frankly you don't belong here.

All the OP is asking is that, if you don't support the Democratic candidate, which is the purpose if this site, then quit shitting all over threads with posts that do things like demanding to be convinced.

Trump or Hillary. Choose. No one owes you "convincing."

[lastone]

120. do you have an understanding of politics at all

cause that is what happens in EVERY ELECTION!

LOL - who's shitting on what now?

[Squinch]

133. Forget it. If you are one of the ones holding his breath to be convinced, have at it.

Special snowflakes are special.

[Silver_Witch]

138. Great then we shall choose and you shall have not to say

Have a very nice day....

[MichiganVote]

115. Baloney. To grow the fuck up, you shouldn't need convincing.

[Squinch]

135. Such bullshit. Hillary or Trump. Not difficult. And no one owes you a hand holding.

[Festivito]

65. That question cuts the drama. eom

[R B Garr]

71. LOL, lots of retreaded talking points proven wrong many times over.

I'm surprised that this nonsense is still allowed.

[retrowire]

82. well said. nt

[Squinch]

85. This being a perfect example of what the OP is talking about.

Still pushing this idiotic nonsense. Sanders couldn't beat this candidate that you think is so weak. And spare me the "polled better" shit. He also won all those internet polls, didn't he? It proves nothing.

He lost. Give it up.

[TheCowsCameHome]

20. You mean the ones that won't be needed at GE time,

after Hillary wins the nomination? The "irrelevant" ones?

"She's got this all locked up with you, or without you Berners, was the cry.

Heh.

It seems your tune has changed a bit.

[arcane1]

26. Funny how that works, isn't it? n/t

[RoccoR5955]

47. I seem to remember that myself.

Funny how people change their tunes.

[closeupready]

54. We're all "toast", according to some highly-placed cognoscenti, after

the primary.

[Squinch]

88. No one is saying that the idiots who will not vote against Trump are needed. The OP is just asking

those idiots to quit coming into a site, whose purpose is the support of the Democratic candidate, and shitting all over the carpet. Those of us who support the candidate are busy and don't have time to be cleaning up aforementioned shit.

[KPN]

287. Wrong. Read it again.

Doesn't say anything about "shitting all over" ... and quite clearly makes a fear-based case that Hillary could lose as a result of Bernie supporters. Nothing about "busy and don't have time" to counter posts.

[pnwmom]

134. Hillary needs every vote she can get -- and so she shouldn't tailor her whole agenda

to Bernie voters.

There are millions of other non-Bernie voters who preferred Hillary's policies. As it is, even Bernie acknowledges that she went very far in reaching out and moving the platform left.

[geek tragedy]

22. what part of "don't keep fighting the last democratic primary" is ambiguous? nt

[In_The_Wind]

32. +1

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[demmiblue]

27. You should probably self-delete. n/t

[merrily]

28. Stop what? I have not seen any Bernie or Bust posts here since the new rules went into

effect.

[Rex]

31. Must be a slow day.

Heaven forbid we have ONE day on DU where someone doesn't post a divisive thread.

[merrily]

35. I did a quick search of the OPs posts.

[arcane1]

36. And now boredom and repetition are getting to people.

For some, it might be more fun to shit on Sanders supporters rather than promote Clinton. Just because it's a political website doesn't mean all posters are motivated by politics

[merrily]

37. Bring back GD: P!

[pangaia]

29. "And for those of you who spit on this post...."

A little dramatic, is it not?

[bluesbassman]

39. Maybe just fart in it's general direction then?

[Stonepounder]

51. Its mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

[awoke_in_2003]

111. Go away...

or I shall taunt you a second time.

[Squinch]

119. Actually, seeing how it played out, no. Not at all.

[Rex]

30. lulz

[Marr]

38. Please stop attempting to set up liberals for the blame if Hillary loses. /nt

[arcane1]

61. The "Fucking retards" of the "Professional Left" always get the blame, regardless.

The election is hers to lose. If she can't beat the least-qualified candidate in all of history, it sure as hell won't be my fault.

[ciaobaby]

90. nor mine !

[FighttheFuture]

136. +1. It's not like the Democratic Party has positioned itself as corporate shop + stop. Oh wait...

they have.

I'm a Bernie supporter, but I have no qualms about voting for Hillary and will vote for her. Yeah, she's not a polished politician, she admits that herself. Also, she has a lot of negatives, and the super-majority of them are not her fault, just the 25 years of demonizing by the RW slinging lie after lie at her. Still, that's the reality. She will have to work hard to win.

On the plus side (for me), she's actually clerked during the Watergate hearings (as I remember). She comes from Chicago (Park Ridge). She is a more "old school" Democrat and I have hope for that in her. From a person I know that she babysat for way back, she was actually pretty engaged with them and a very nice person. I think she is a very good person and has this country's interests at heart. There are always many layers to a seasoned politician like her, but the core is good and the intentions are there.

Ultimately, this is hers and the Democratic Party leadership's election to lose. The fact that it appears closer than it should be is right at the feet of the greedy complacent money-grubbing corporate-leaning union trashing dimwits of the Democratic Party who have strayed pretty far off where the party really should be and have let themselves be rolled time after time so now we are at this ridiculous point in our country's history. So if the unthinkable happens and we have a President Trump, these shit for brains who's main slogan seems to be "we're less shitty than the other guy" need to go, not the people who want to bring this party back to its Jeffersonian and FDR roots; back to We the People.

[vintx]

317. Wish I could rec this post.

Hate kicking this dumbass OP, but it's worth it to post one of these:

[FighttheFuture]

323. Thanks!

[leftstreet]

163. +1

[shenmue]

146. We're liberals

[Squinch]

198. Somehow we don't count, though.

[captainarizona]

41. our votes have to be earned.

Not demanded or threatened.

[Squinch]

83. If you're still on the fence after the crapfest the Republicans have just put on, you belong

somewhere else.

[Xipe Totec]

43. Try not to sound like Trump supporters going after Cruz supporters. Thanks. nt

[63splitwindow]

44. K & R

Trump actually IS far worse than RW scumnuts SPEW about Hillary.

[LWolf]

45. Dear Cyrano,

Please remember that every single time you point your finger in blame at people, 3 fingers point back at you.

It's not a convincing argument to deflect blame onto those that didn't make the choice. You chose the nominee. Own that choice and the subsequent consequences.

[Cyrano]

60. Dear LWolf

What I find interesting is that I did a post on the hate fest in Cleveland, and that this post is getting so many more answers.

This post was a response to ...

Oh, never mind. It really doesn't matter.

All I care about is that each and every Dem votes for Hillary so we don't end up with the insane alternative.

Anyhow, with any luck, this thread will die quickly.

[LWolf]

179. Then I'm sorry

I just kicked it by replying.

I'd suggest that this post is getting a lot of answers because the blame game is offensive.

The hate fest...I met a group of friends for breakfast and we spent a bunch of face-to-face time covering it. Sanders and Clinton supporters. We really didn't have any disagreements about how we felt about Trump or the convention. That's probably why you got fewer responses; what is there to argue about?

This post is critical of your allies. The other post, not so much.

[RoccoR5955]

46. Gee, I thought that Bernie supporters were effectively banned

from this site?
Makes me wonder what is going on.

[Lil Missy]

58. Not True. Bernie supporters have not been banned for being Bernie supporters.

Some people have been banned for being assholes, but not because they supported Sanders.

[RoccoR5955]

91. Is that not

quite subjective?

[Lil Missy]

108. No. It's called reality. n/t

[RoccoR5955]

112. Perhaps it may be your reality

which could be an alternative to the actual reality. How would know the difference?

[Andy823]

94. Couldn't agree more

Real Democrat, Liberal, and Progressive supporters of Bernie's have already move over to support Clinton, but as you said some "assholes" are still playing their stupid little games, and those are the ones who get banned, or will get banned. I guess the echo champed over at JPR doesn't allow them to vent their hate, so they still come here to stir things up and cause problems.

[Squinch]

89. Clearly not. They're still pushing the same old crap.

[TwilightZone]

96. Then you thought incorrectly.

[bucolic_frolic]

48. Hillary doubters simply don't

fear a Trump presidency enough

He is Cheney on Steroids! Fracking, land grabs, Social Security, wars

What will remain? Progressives would have nothing to continue their movement

[Iggo]

66. "Hillary Doubters."

Good name for it.

I supported Sanders all the way and voted for him in the California Primary.

He didn't win. I wish he had, but that's the way it goes.

The one thing I DO NOT DOUBT is that Hillary Clinton will be the next President Of The United States.

The DNC should be one huge victory lap after this holy disaster of an RNC.

(In fact, I think Michelle Obama should open the festivities with "Four-score and seven years ago...oh wait...&quot

I've got no patience for sore losers, and even less patience for sore winners.

QUIT FIGHTING THE GODDAM PRIMARY!!!

[larkrake]

170. how do you know who he is, it changes daily He is a word salad

all we know for certain is he is a loon,carpetbagger, a racist . I think you are shouting in the theater. Progressives have shed their fears and for anyone to wag a finger at them saying vote or else is just fear mongering and that is, frankly, a turn off. Progressives are inspired by the threat of Trump to make sure another Trump never gets the chance again. but they wont settle.

We already have fracking, wars, land grabs, add legal theft, giving the keys to corporations, threats to SS and healthcare, killer cops and corrupt judges, discrimination, disenfranchisment and it all goes unpunished.

Unlike Cheney, Trump does not willfully and maliciously murder thousands. He is a crook, liar, buffoon and ill, but is not as evil as Cheney.

The movement is going to emerge the winner in politics, against all comers even if the Don gets in. It will take a cycle or two to purge the crooks. What answer do you have?

[bucolic_frolic]

176. Progressivism is extinct if Trump wins

There will be no national parks, America will be sold to private
corporations and foreign interests, our military will barely function,
and America will be in full retreat from its current place of world
leadership. Once all that is gone, you're not going to get it back.
You have no plan to purge the crooks, no party apparatus, no
political machine, just millennials who attend rallies in large numbers.
It takes political power, incumbency, financial smarts to win elections.
The crooks are part of the system, officeholding is a part of political
interests, organization for exploitation. Progressives seem to think
they're going to remake capitalism with all electric self-driving cars
and smart phones by stripping out the profit incentive from financial,
employment, and business arrangements. Hippies tried that. The Soviets
tried that. This is reality: no incentives, no money, no money, nothing
happens. No one will fix your car, employ you, or anything else unless
they get paid. Even worker progressive companies must turn a profit.

So don't vote. It's the Achilles heel of democracy that some vote who
don't know what they vote for, some are misled or confused, and the
ignorant make up their minds at the last minute based on emotions.

[larkrake]

178. ridiculous, bye

[GummyBearz]

50. I'll vote for who I believe in

[wisteria]

53. Yes, please.

Take the time to do some reading.

[MillennialDem]

55. Maybe cut the blackmail and try winning us over instead.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

62. I wonder if the Ted Cruz supporters are being told to stop at freeperville.

[Jim Lane]

168. The Freepers are roundly denouncing Cruz for his speech.

Your question got me curious so I put on my hazmat suit and dropped by FR. A sample:

Stupid is as stupid does.
Cruz only hurt himself by his idiotic performance.

Drawing this response:

Agreed, as a former and I mean former supporter, I’m done with him. He has shown it’s all about him and hung himself publicly. Fool...

[LWolf]

182. So DU and FR

really DO mirror each other.

I don't know that this is exactly complementary to DU.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

200. It's something to ponder all right.

[Ford_Prefect]

64. Keep on push selling that used car. The gimmick isn't working yet.

[TheCowsCameHome]

67. Oh, look! Suddenly we're wanted and needed!

My, my, my, who would have predicted that?

[Squinch]

125. I think you are reading into what the OP said and seeing something that isn't there.

What the OP is clearly saying is that if you are not planning to vote for Hillary after what you have seen this week, you are not wanted or needed, and will you please just get out of the way?

Those who need to bash should take all their little buddies and go back over to JPR.

And those who need to concern troll are just making fools of themselves, because no one is fooled by it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

186. No, that's not it at all.

I hear a plea for help.

[Squinch]

197. And yet no one is pleading for help. Go figure.

[afertal]

68. This is fear mongering at it's best.

Please be rational and focus some of your fear-driven energy into fixing the system that produced this false choice. Beating on your big "D" logo and/or feeding people's fears is not the answer.

I might even agree that it is time to swallow hard and vote your conscience, but don't feed me this 'be afraid' bullshit.

[Squinch]

149. What "false choice" might you be talking about?

[HooptieWagon]

69. If Trump is such a huge danger...

...then it's really stupid to nominate the weaker candidate vs him.

[tonyt53]

72. Way past time to give up on such nonsense.

[Squinch]

98. It's like the cartoon of Coyote holding onto the top of the cliff with the last fingernail

before he falls.

I can't believe the delusion it must take to keep pushing this crap even now.

[Marr]

190. Is that directed at the OP?

Or just the people who offered pretty natural responses?

[Andy823]

84. Wrong

The weaker candidate lost, the one that can win against Trump is the nominee. You need to accept that fact and get on with life.

[RoccoR5955]

92. +1,000,000,000 n/t

[Squinch]

97. Which is a good thing. Because we didn't. We nominated the candidate that the vast majority

of Democrats thought was the better candidate against him.

[R B Garr]

103. But Trump himself called Bernie a loser.

He lost to Clinton, and that is exactly how Trump described him. So, the weaker candidate is not running against Trump -- thank goodness. But the primaries are over, so let's concentrate on the General now.

[awoke_in_2003]

114. Well, the "stronger" candidate...

refused to figure out while non-white people didn't care for him. As a former Sanders supporter, I really wonder why that was.

Okay, I am prepared for the landslide of 3 paragraph responses saying why class is the important issue.

[Grey Lemercier]

231. Sec Clinton was by far the stronger candidate in the Democratic party primaries

It is simply untrue to say that Sanders would have been better in the GE. The Republicans would have red-baited him into the 35-40% support level. Hillary is best for the nation, she will crush the conman Trump, plus I am so proud to vote for a woman for President.

[HooptieWagon]

235. Sanders consistantly polled 10 points or more better than Trump.

Clinton consistantly polled even or behind Trump. Sanders the stronger candidate.

[Grey Lemercier]

244. Sanders was given a pass by the Republicans and the MSM because they knew he would never win the

nomination. If he had won, then the full onslaught of attacks from every angle would have driven his numbers down to a huge degree. People innately like the "idea" of Sanders, the ephemeral platitudes he stood for. But his tax increase levels on the middle class alone would have been pushed against him.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/29/11323770/sanders-clinton-trump-cruz-tax-plans

A middle class person making 45,000 USD would pay almost 5000 USD MORE under Sanders than Clinton.

That's a HUGE difference, and he would be shredded in the MSM, not to mention the Republicans.

[annavictorious]

301. Polls that far out from the GE are notoriously unreliable.

Plus, neither the press nor the Republicans never really got tough on Sanders.

Near the end, Chris Matthews started going after Sanders hard on his taxes via surrogate Jeff Weaver. Weaver finally stopped appearing. Things were only going to get worse.

[HooptieWagon]

303. That's true. Her poll numbers have steadily declined in the past year.

But that was predicted by many. Appears they're still on the decline.

[annavictorious]

306. I'm not worried,

but your concern is duly noted.

If it were eight years ago, I might be tempted to say "bitter, much?" but I've outgrown that tendency.

[YOHABLO]

70. We are progressive Americans before we're Sanders supporters .. we'll do the right thing.

[hobbit709]

73. The crap never ends.

[secondwind]

75. as a former AVID Sanders supporter, all I can say is: VOTE BLUE IN NOVEMBER

[BigDemVoter]

77. My grandfather got out of Germany.

His mother, my great-grandmother, did not.

What I will always remember hearing my grandfather say was, "Nobody EVER expected to see that ridiculous man become chancellor."

We ALL know what happened there, don't we?

[Else You Are Mad]

78. Nonsense.

I am a Bernie supporter that is 100% voting for Hillary. Every Bernie supporter I have talked to is voting for Hillary.

I am sorry, but most Bernie supporters realize that the primaries are over -- I think it is time you do so as well.

[Android3.14]

80. Oh get over yourself.

[heaven05]

81. a lot of us DUers

have been referencing 1933 for some months now, even when the republican candidate for POTUS was a laughing stock. Who's laughing now? Many want to be led by this dangerous sociopath even with the Convention a huge clusterf***. Sad and scary.

You're right on.

[radical noodle]

95. Four days of this hate filled convention tends to make me a little tense

so I can understand your post. But I think most Bernie supporters will come around. Most have already and the majority of others will too. I think some will continue to say they won't, but will in the end. I'm not voting for Hillary because Trump scares me, I'm voting for Hillary because I like most of the things she stands for and I know how hard she works. I think she will be a great president. Nonetheless, Trump and the rest do scare me to death as I think he scares much of the world.

[ciaobaby]

99. oh save your pity and the fear mongering.

We are all aware of the choice we have. You need not worry. and if you were driven to post this condescending rant because of a few comments on this site, you have way too much time on your hands.
Hillary needs to take charge, run her campaign and get progressives votes by pushing progressive values.
She certainly doesn't need your lame effort at shaming Bernie supporters.
You were well are it would piss people off, that was your intent. Not a good approach.

[Grassy Knoll]

100. K&R

[SleeplessinSoCal]

101. Democrats have the novel opportunity of being the Daddy party.

Dem conventions are too often disorganized . We can show how much better we are at running the country and realigning our place in the world via common needs of better wages EVERYWHERE.

The TPP holdout is that golden opportunity. Focus on that and infrastructure jobs to combat climate change. Be the adults we need to get the job done and get the jobs - period.

[stupidicus]

102. stop what?

[CobaltBlue]

105. Cyrano—You should have confidence in Hillary Clinton. (This thread of yours is not necessary.)

[Rex]

175. Just let's us know how many here still support dividing us up constantly. Such a sad theme on DU.

So I am glad for their unintended transparency.

[appalachiablue]

106. You stress history and emphasize Hitler and Nixon, but not Reagan. Interesting.

[LostinRed]

107. Don't forget the supreme court

If you think Hillary and Donald are the same, just remember the supreme court. If Trump is President, we will have a right-wing supreme court for the next 20 years. Even if the most liberal president and congress are elected every bill they pass will be over turned.

[HereSince1628]

118. Trouble on the horizon? I think not. But FYI fear doesn't work really well with dreamers

Dreamers dream of better things, and look past the attempts using fear to scare them into line.

Most progressives are a lot like Nelson Mandela, who said it's better to vote out of hope than it is to vote out of fear.

Stop and think what Mandela faced. His political opponents were horrible, virulent, established, torturing, murdering, militant racists.

We face no worse in Trump. Really. I don't think the case that Trump is worse than what Mandela faced can be made.

My advice to the Dems is serve up some things that people seriously desire and you'll win support.

People hate fear and it sends them under rocks.

[CarrieLynne]

121. is this really a question?

Honestly - I cant imagine any of us on the Bernie left would consider that POS.....yes we wanted Bernie but OMG - I am terrified of trump...hes already screwing with our allies FFS - let alone our enemies....he will bring America down ......

more of the same(Clinton) is a much better choice to me....and Bernie did some real groundwork to push the party to the left....im comfy voting for her now....

i wish she would pick Warren tho - that would really excite us Bernie ppl

[Squinch]

140. I think we must be up to about 98% of Bernie supporters agreeing with you. And that is a

wonderful thing that warms my heart.

But the remaining 2% are mad and they're seeping back into threads talking about how bad Hillary is.

As you point out, none of us has time for that.

Glad to be on the same side.

[stage left]

145. I'm also hoping for Warren.

And I was a very committed Bernie supporter. My sister feels the same and she came out for Clinton long ago. I know Warren and Clinton are both older(My age) and both women. But good is good. Right? Please Hillary, please.

[bigwillq]

122. Oh, look, a thread about Bernie and Bernie supporters.

Thanks for keeping Bernie and Bernie Supporters front and center on DU! Appreciate the effort.

[greiner3]

123. I will be wearing my Bernie shirts next week

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I am in no way attempting others to vote Republican or any other party nor any write in.

What I do try to do ask how the hell do you get the gall to say my wanting Bernie to win is I see him as a 'cult of personality.

From what I've seen and read so very few of his supporters give a flying fuck about that shit.

He is the real person to bring back the country from the madness we now face.


His charisma and speechifying, is of the magnitude that is VP Gore had a modicum of such that is the alternate reality I'd want: Where is Dr Who when you really need him.

BTW, I see there's a real possibility she'll lose and again, the gall of you for blaming 'us'.

I may have this post hid for this paragraph but I can quantify in the next paragraph so this is not my opinion but the talk on nearly all media: Hillary is a flawed candidate.

Her negatives are only second to Trump in US history, Emails, all the WH 'gates', suspicious activities with their foundation, etc...

I am not saying she is guilty of any of them and she has been cleared of all but the latter.

So WTF are you blaming us when you went all out to get her nominated.

Will you state on DU, if she loses, your even minuscule possibility it was YOUR fault she lost

[Silver_Witch]

126. Stop WHAT???

[Squinch]

137. .

[Iggo]

172. Sore winners.

[Tiggeroshii]

131. The people you are referring to can't really be called Bernie supporters

Bernie supports Clinton now, and most of the folks who refuse to back her are voting Stein or Johnson. Your point still holds but they are betraying his revolution by doing this and can't really be called Bernie supporters at this point...

[Delmette]

139. I can only speak for myself.

Hillary supporters have been telling Bernie to drop out since, what March? He stayed true to his word and his ideals and issues through the platform meetings. I totally admire him for that. I think that his supporters feel that Bernie needs to be recognized for his sincere concern for the poor, the middle class and minorities.
I may be wrong but I haven't heard or read that Hillary thanked Bernie for a issue driven, civilized primary.
Don't be surprised if the Bernie delegates ask for a roll call vote on the nomination. We just want to show the country how many people really want a more progressive government.
We do not want to be told to get in line and behave. That kind of comment sets me on edge.

[LarryNM]

218. +1,000 n/t

[larkrake]

141. I never fall in love with politicians, I am just fed up with corruption and the

corporate mindset, never wanted Bernie to be pres. I dont feel that the office does much. The Governors do all the damage, they are not answerable to anyone, and Congress backs them up. Congress passes or fails judges. The pres is just able to veto and nominate staff and judges, and push wars. That just isnt Bernie's thing, he is best in the Senate.

I have nothing positive to say about Hillary, so wont go there

[oswaldactedalone]

144. Defeat Trump at all costs

Regardless of your feelings about Hillary. He is dangerous and the 700 to 800 people he will place in executive branch positions will be worse. Imagine Dick Cheney as not just vice president, but at the controls of all facets of the executive branch. Trump and Christie have already said they plan to politicize every position in the executive branch including the current non-partisan "civil service" jobs.
If that's not scary enough, which reich wing maniacs will he add to the Supreme Court? Be afraid of Trump, America, be very afraid.

[FailureToCommunicate]

177. Agreed. The OP's assumptions are wrong AND insulting.

[Ligyron]

157. People who voted for Bernie are gonna support Hills in droves.

I know I am.

The few who feel otherwise won't amount to 2 electoral votes- tops.

The thing that bothers me is Hills should be slaughtering Der Fuhrer in the polls by 20 plus points right now and she's not.

I trust Nate tho' and think all will be well in Nov.

She'll get a bounce from Philly.

If states like Cali and NY went first in the primaries instead of friggin Iowa, etc we'd have a much more progressive country I truly believe.

[larkrake]

162. not

[SHRED]

158. Facepalm

Being talked down to helps no one.

[Iggo]

161. I think it's having the desired effect.

Division.

[demmiblue]

171. That, and...

[progressoid]

223. ...

[Javaman]

254. ...

[Historic NY]

164. Running with Jill will get you no where.....fast.

21 0r 22 states takes millions to get on the ballots.

[Mike Nelson]

180. There is still work to do...

...I have confidence in Bernie - he will help convince more and more of his supporters to vote for Hillary.

[StrictlyRockers]

181. I am a Hillary supporter, and this post is condescending.

This post makes me less likely to support Hillary enthusiastically.

[matt819]

183. What are you blithering about?

Admins have essentially banned anti Hillary posts. As a Bernie supporter I'm fine with that. We may have issues with Hillary, and there's sure to be debate over her vp pick, but we're not stupid or self destructive. Next, stop bashing Bernie supporters. Polls have shown that Bernie supporters moving to trump is a myth, or certainly over estimated. Next, don't insult Bernie supporters by telling us what's at stake. That's just offensive.

[qnr]

184. I've been thinking about BREXIT a lot recently.

And how many people regret their vote after the fact.

I've voted in almost every election since I was eligible in the 70's. I have always encouraged people to vote their conscience, even if the vote was likely to be 'wasted,' it was still what they believed in.

However, the level of batshit crazy displayed by the people supporting the Republican candidate and the candidate himself honestly has me terrified of what is going to happen if the vote is split enough to allow him to assume the Presidency.

[Grey Lemercier]

233. I still cannot wrap my head around the fact Leave won. It's going to have a hugely

negative impact on my partner's and my business, as we rely on easy flow of creative workers from all over the EU.

[qnr]

291. I know, it still astounds me too n/t

[CharlotteVale]

185. I don't give a flying fuck about your pity.

[cloudythescribbler]

187. You have it backwards, HILLARY supporters need to stop bashing & blaming ...

Bernie Sanders' supporters. I myself have been a Bernie supporter since day 1 who plans to vote for Hillary more or less for the reasons that you outlined. But the persistently condescending, moralizing, trashing tone taken towards Bernie's base, whether to tell them they aren't needed (as some Hillary supporters do) or to blame them in advance if Hillary loses is ONLY going to alienate MORE Bernie supporters while no doubt gratifying a lot of folk who never supported him in the first place.

This is the OPPOSITE of the best way to win Bernie supporters over to back Hillary (note that present conditions at DU mean that almost all those Sanderistas who will NOT vote for Hillary have gone silent or left, which makes them all the harder to reach and convince.) But if you ARE trying to win them over, this is not the way

[TNNurse]

188. I voted for Bernie in the primary.

I will vote for Hillary in the general. She is not my first choice.

However, THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN KEEPING TRUMP FROM WINNING.

We can deal with other issues later.

If you choose not to vote you are risking a Trump victory.

[Ilsa]

189. I voted for & sent $ to SBS in the primary. I'm with Her now. nt

[RoccoR5955]

192. FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, and DOOM!

Deal with it!
Or as some of us like to call it, "Fud!"

[AlbertCat]

193. The choice is yours.

Indeed it is.

So stop telling us what to do.

If Trump should win, it will be because Hillary didn't inspire enough people to vote for her. Period.

[Calculating]

194. This election is almost being handed to Hillary on a silver platter

If she can't beat Trumpster there's really nobody to blame but her. Trump/Pence is an absolute joke of a ticket, and the republican party has their own division related to unhappy Cruz voters.

[reflection]

286. Truth.

I think she wins easily, short of a meltdown in the debates (unlikely), but if she loses, it's because the party decided to run a candidate with insanely high negatives. To lose this election against a high-functioning moron like Trump would fall nowhere but in her lap. Any two DUers picked at random to be the ticket should be able to triangulate their way to 270 against Trump without breaking a sweat.

[Martin Eden]

195. Please Stop What?

It would really help your OP if you actually cited some legitimate examples of what you think Bernie supporters are doing that prompted your post.

[bekkilyn]

196. I am a Bernie supporter...

...who is unaffiliated with any political party...and I am voting for Hillary in the general election. I was really impressed with how she and Bernie worked together to incorporate things they both wanted into the Democratic platform, and I very much agree with, "Better together."

Trump must not win. Republicans up and down the line of all elections must not win. These people are more than scary. The only thing missing from the RNC right are all the Nazi flags and banners.

I also would prefer that Hillary *not* have Elizabeth Warren as the VP. We need her to remain in the senate rather than being in a less effective position.

[LynneSin]

199. Please don't call them 'Bernie Supporters'

If they respected Bernie they would respect his decision to support Hillary

[Jim Lane]

224. You have a mistaken concept of "Bernie supporter"

During the primaries, all too many Clinton supporters were fond of depicting the Sanders campaign as a quasi-religious cult. Voting for Bernie was equated with viewing him as the Messiah.

That was always horseshit, and particularly offensive horseshit at that.

I qualify as a Bernie supporter by virtue of having voted for him and sent him money. That doesn't mean I'll blindly follow whatever direction he gives. If he were to change his mind and urge people not to vote for Clinton, I would listen to his reasons respectfully, for he's earned that -- but I'd probably vote for her anyway.

By the same token, one can be a Bernie supporter and respectfully disagree with his endorsement. I think that voting for Stein (for example) is a mistake, but I don't excommunicate Bernie supporters (religious reference is deliberate) just because they make that choice.

[LiberalLovinLug]

201. This is Straw Man, flame-baiting, concern trolling at its worst

How many posts in this thread are Bernie-or-busters? How many are saying they will NOT vote for Hillary?

You are making up a problem that doesn't exist in order to foment a new flame war. Just stop it.

[Martin Eden]

263. Exactly.

It's the kind of post that dimishes DU as a worthy venue, and it is disheartening to see it at the top of the Greatest Page.

[Raine]

204. Why are you trying to stir things up... nt

[Rex]

268. Why would things change? That is all some here know how to do.

It it totally pathetic and sadly expected.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

205. A shit-stirring, divisive post designed to continue the primary fight, which is a forum violation.

[ornotna]

213. And yet here it stands

The beatings will continue untill morale improves.

[LarryNM]

220. The Hypocritical Standards are Transparent eom

[Algernon Moncrieff]

208. As a Hillary supporter, let me say this:

If you live in Wyoming, South Carolina, or aother state Hillary will lose by 15+, go ahead and write in Bernie. Make your statement.

However - chicanery will be the order of the day. No blue state will be spared. So if you live in any purple to blue state PLEASE vote for Hillary.

[trixie]

209. It is time for Dems to unite

Our family has been ride or die Dems since we came to this country.

In 2008 all of us liked Obama and/or Clinton. We literally had huge discussions before the primary. The question was not if my person is not nominated I will do or not do... The question was what were the Dems of the country going to go for? The first black man or the first woman? Many of us were staunch on either one of them but knew the primary was the first step or misstep. Do we split our votes? We talked and talked and met for dinner and talked some more. The child, who was 11 years old, said that in American history it goes white men, black men, women. Out of the mouth of babes. We all voted for Obama and some with a heavy heart against Clinton. We knew we needed to get a Democrat elected to the White House.

That child is now 19 and voted in his first primary and is voting in the general election. We asked, "Who you voting for?" He replied, "Clinton was nominated". No hesitations! Was he a more likely Sanders voter? Probably. He also always tells the story of standing by each of his parents while they voted for Obama and had to show his dingy elder sister where to poke the hole.

You fight it out in the primary and put the best person WHO CAN WIN forward.

Please vote Clinton or better yet vote Democrat straight down the party line.

[Stryder]

212. Yes.

If Hills can't best the worst candidate imaginable.
It will all be the fault of those Bernie or Busters.
And have nothing to do with the candidate herself.
We get it.