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Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:34 AM

 

Who Will Win the Upcoming Civil War?

Yesterday 2:15pm
Hamilton Nolan
Senior Writer, Gawker

With racial tensions, inequality, and populist rage set to boil over, some fear America could be on the path to a violent confrontation between the angry Trumpies and the equally angry lefties. Before we decide to start this war, we must ask: who would win?

As police shootings and street protests stoke a national climate already heated by xenophobia, terror attacks, and the unexpected success of an anti-everything brand of politics not seen in generations, many have compared 2016 to 1968, a year marked by assassinations, riots, and questions about the continued success of the American experiment. It is still early, though. By the time this is all over we may be more inclined to compare 2016 to 1860, when half of America got so pissed at the other half that a bloody civil war ensued.

This, of course, is the worst case scenario. But it’s always good to plan ahead.

The Combatants

On the Right: Low-income white workers who were on the losing end of globalization and have become convinced that immigrants and non-white people are to blame; Billionaires; White nationalists; Angry grandpas; Fearful grandmas; Survivalists; Fox News viewers; “Car guys”; Inveterate racists who have no excuse.

On the Left: Black Lives Matter activists; Bernie Sanders voters; Aging hippies; College students and professors; Legal and illegal immigrants of all nationalities; Occupy-style perma-activists; Confused self-identified pacifists.

http://gawker.com/who-will-win-the-upcoming-civil-war-1783675459

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Reply Who Will Win the Upcoming Civil War? (Original post)
rug Jul 2016 OP
AngryAmish Jul 2016 #1
KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #2
rug Jul 2016 #4
sarae Jul 2016 #3
GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #10
hack89 Jul 2016 #20
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #22
DashOneBravo Jul 2016 #33
pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #41
Bonhomme Richard Jul 2016 #5
GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #6
MillennialDem Jul 2016 #7
NutmegYankee Jul 2016 #14
MillennialDem Jul 2016 #19
NutmegYankee Jul 2016 #26
MillennialDem Jul 2016 #44
drray23 Jul 2016 #27
NutmegYankee Jul 2016 #29
drray23 Jul 2016 #31
TeddyR Jul 2016 #35
Marr Jul 2016 #39
hobbit709 Jul 2016 #8
RKP5637 Jul 2016 #32
treestar Jul 2016 #9
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #24
RKP5637 Jul 2016 #30
pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #36
L. Coyote Jul 2016 #11
pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #12
jmg257 Jul 2016 #13
pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #37
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #25
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pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #38
cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #15
okasha Jul 2016 #16
rug Jul 2016 #17
okasha Jul 2016 #18
Matrosov Jul 2016 #21
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #23
PJMcK Jul 2016 #28
DashOneBravo Jul 2016 #34
Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #40
panader0 Jul 2016 #42
Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #43

Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:39 AM

1. The Puritans, again.

 

They won then lost the first Civil War and had to come over here. They won the US Civil War and hold the whip hand now.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:40 AM

2. Da fuq? - nt

 

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:54 AM

4. I take it as sardonic.

 

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:49 AM

3. It's a little unsettling that

one of the byproducts of our country's polarization is a split between gun owners and people without guns. I say that as someone without a gun.

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Response to sarae (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 10:02 AM

10. Plenty of people on our side

Own guns. Some have enough to share🙄

But the while discussion is nuts. We are not going to have an insurrection of any kind. Look how well it worked for the Bundies. Because they really thought they were starting a revolution.

All they got were dildos, lube and prison.

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Response to sarae (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:55 PM

20. Lots of Dems own guns. So do many POC. I wouldn't be concerned. nt

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Response to sarae (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:57 PM

22. Civil War. A fear of someone who probably thinks this lefty toter 'lives in fear.' heh.

 

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Response to sarae (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:18 PM

33. Suddenly

All of us gunnoneers will become quite popular!

HA!

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Response to DashOneBravo (Reply #33)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 03:00 PM

41. Reminds me of a story told by a Jewish supporter of the 2A.

At family get-togethers, he's frequently made the butt of jokes because he enjoys shooting, and believes in the RKBA. One night a discussion regarding a breakdown of law & order erupted, and one of his relatives said something like......"Well, if push came to shove, we'd just grab a gun from Joe."

Joe's response: "No you wouldn't. I'd sooner give a gun to a gun-owning friend as a back-up than to any of you."

Silence broke out immediately, and the jokes about his gun ownership have mysteriously ceased.

Edited to add: I don't think it's at all improbable that concerns about societal instability are accounting for new gun sales.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:10 AM

5. My guess is that it would be the same southern authoritarian sympathizers,

though not as big a percentage as during the civil war because the demographics have changed, and what would have been called the copperheads up north and there would be an increase in those due to economic conditions. That would be one side versus the rest of us.
Who would win? I wouldn't venture to guess. As far as I am concerned I don't think the original civil war ever really ended. The battles only switched from the fields to an economic/social conservative battlefront. On that front they are winning.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:51 AM

6. Before the first civil war we had them contained ...

Now they're everywhere.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:54 AM

7. Whoever has the larger support of the military. Now, if it's 46% military on one side and 54% on th6

 

other, that's when the civilian population starts to become a major factor.

In that case (near parity in terms of military support) the left would win. We just have more able bodied men and a lot more able bodied women. We would also be likely to draw in European intervention.

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:47 AM

14. People overrate the strength of the military domestically.

The reality is the military has a lot of big capital weapons and bombs, but just 800 people in a city would tie up at least 2 divisions to sweep every building to destroy them.

Modern military units do not handle guerilla warfare well at all.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:52 PM

19. Tell that to the Spanish Maqis and the Forest Brothers. I also heard the US military was going to

 

abandon their tanks and artillery and just fight a guerilla war if we're ever invaded.

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:07 PM

26. Notice that it took decades to knock them down.

A true civil conflict with high participation would lead to the ruin of most cities.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:39 PM

44. Yeah, but it just proves that they can be defeated. And there's a much higher will to defeat

 

guerillas in your own country than there is in developing countries that we can just pull out of.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:09 PM

27. This is changing.

having been at war for two decades in the Middle East where this exact kind of warfare is what our soldiers have to do, they have gained a lot of expertise.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #27)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:12 PM

29. And we have learned the cost.

Imagine the destruction our cities would take. One side may win in the end to only rule over ruins.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:13 PM

31. Oh I agree. It would be a disaster. Nt.

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:23 PM

35. The military

 

Both officer and enlisted is overwhelmingly Republican (I served with those folks). I read an article a number of years ago that the military was the most reliable Republican voting group

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #35)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:53 PM

39. In this scenario, I think they'd be best described as

 

overwhelmingly authoritarian. The military and police are going to back the federal government, period-- no matter who is in control of it.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:55 AM

8. The corporations.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:15 PM

32. THIS^^^ n/t

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:57 AM

9. I don't think people are as angry as the media claims

It's all going to be online. Nobody really wants to start shooting.

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Response to treestar (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:02 PM

24. ^^^ This.

 

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Response to treestar (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:12 PM

30. M$M heats it up because it gives them more viewers and more $$$$$'s. I think many in the US

just wish the politicians, lawyers and M$M would just go away.

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Response to treestar (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:48 PM

36. Agreed. NT

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 10:38 AM

11. The people who want to start it, who want to steal the public land and trillions in oil, gas, ....

Of course, they want to take it simply by winning elections. Fear those who want to start a white-only region in the West.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:13 AM

12. Most "intelligent" line in the article is the last.

Now what we need to do is take away their guns...

Yeah, sure. That's the ticket.

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:29 AM

13. Maybe he really wants one? (a civil war, not a gun). nt

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #13)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:51 PM

37. The sentence seems to suggest that. Or the author is **really** stupid. :-) NT

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:04 PM

25. Behind some shit-talkin' banners is a Creature from the Id.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #25)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:51 PM

38. *

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:01 PM

15. There won't be another civil war. Ham's friends are too busy walking off cliffs...

 

while playing Pokemon Go.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:03 PM

16. No one.

Hi, rug!

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Response to okasha (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:08 PM

17. Hi, okasha!

 

Keep cool!

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Response to rug (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:14 PM

18. Working at it.

Today is the official start of the canícula, but is supposed to be cooler than yesterday. Go figure.

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:57 PM

21. Not the gun owners

 



Cleetus might have a hard time ducking behind cover

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:00 PM

23. From Gawker's description of whites, I can see how that population was abandoned by progressives.

 

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:10 PM

28. There won't be a civil war

The polarity of the combatants that you outlined, rug, won't fight. Why would they? They have families, property with mortgages, investments in that property, cars, RV's, boats and lots of other things they will not jeopardize.

Talk is cheap but very few people will put their life on the line for their "principles."

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:20 PM

34. I don't think it will happen

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:57 PM

40. The 15 million (or more) dead will not...

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 03:31 PM

42. Okay--I fit a few of the on the left categories:

Bernie Sanders voter, aging hippie and confused self-identified pacifist.
The confusion comes and goes...

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Response to rug (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 04:00 PM

43. Everyone who doesn't participate (eom)

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