Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:50 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

Gun lovers are just going to have to give up assault rifles.

There is no justifiable reason for them to be on the street and accessible at all. Hobby, fetish and tradition are not worth the risk to our society. M

And don't even start the pedantic definition debate. I don't give a goddamn what you call it. Don't even start, that has precluded reform far too long.

Any weapon capable killing an office party before any can get out, of spraying 100 LGBT folks celebrating pride in a safe place, capable of overpowering a police force and picking off 5 and hitting 11 does not belong in the arms of any citizen. No matter how well adjusted, clean or quiet.

We are a grown up society, a country capable of changing. Change isn't always comfortable. But, just as the people got on board or got left behind thoughout the civil rights movement, women's movement and the marriage equally movement, among so many others, the people are ready. We've had enough.

Gun reform is a civil rights movement. It is a social movement. Those movements always move forward, even with set backs. Get on board.

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Gun lovers are just going to have to give up assault rifles. (Original post)	morningfog	Jul 2016	OP
Good luck with that, we can't even get agreement on DU n/t	doc03	Jul 2016	#1
DU has a few vocal gun fetishists.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#2
Well I happen to agree with you, morningfog.	calimary	Jul 2016	#37
totally agree	RazBerryBeret	Jul 2016	#339
No, I have been here over 10 years	pipoman	Jul 2016	#338
There were Democrats who didn't want, or believe in, civil rights in the 60's, too.	villager	Jul 2016	#156
Its a modern sporting rifle	SpookyDem	Jul 2016	#3
Which bears an amazing resemblance to weapons first designed by the Nazis. NT	Jerry442	Jul 2016	#6
What modern gun are you comparing to which nazi rifle?	SpookyDem	Jul 2016	#27
How about this one.	Jerry442	Jul 2016	#65
Top one is a 22 LR nt	michreject	Jul 2016	#106
The first one is NOT an StG 44	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#264
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2016	#30
Sporting rifle... What does that mean?	3Stones	Jul 2016	#19
For sportsing of course	SpookyDem	Jul 2016	#25
Who the fuck uses an AR-15 for "sport"?	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#31
I use them for target shooting and coyote/pig hunting	SpookyDem	Jul 2016	#34
And you need an AR-15 for that?	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#57
What kind of fun should he use? NT	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#90
Something that can't be used to murder dozens of people in minutes would be a start. nt.	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#103
So no semi-auto handguns either?	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#116
Personally, I want them all banned.	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#131
Look, I completely respect your opinion	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#134
I appreciate the civil discussion, truly	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#138
Thank you	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#141
This is exactly what we need.	Scruffy1	Jul 2016	#159
Do you want to stop mass shootings, or the quotidian gun violence?	sir pball	Jul 2016	#394
I want to do both.	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#397
i totally agree with you. I'm absolutely DONE enabling violence	trueblue2007	Jul 2016	#244
Here's how you accomplish that.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#266
The amendment is silly in today's real world	MyNameGoesHere	Jul 2016	#375
No, you don't understand the opriginal intent at all.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#376
Sorry your opinion	MyNameGoesHere	Jul 2016	#377
Hard to write that into a law.	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#118
None of these killing machines are acceptable.	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#132
Not even for hunters?	Marengo	Jul 2016	#157
Hunters can find a new hobby.	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#168
Ah, the voice of ignorance. But, please continue to roll with that "hobby" nonsense...	Marengo	Jul 2016	#169
Ahh, the voice of an enabler.	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#271
Do you believe all hunting is for sport?	Marengo	Jul 2016	#407
What's your plan for....	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#269
Sound's like "Bungalow Bill"	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#162
Difficult but not impossible. See post #266 for a detailed step by step how to guide. eom	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#267
Any gun can be used to murder dozens of people, or even a knife or bomb	jack_krass	Jul 2016	#336
Not based on need	michreject	Jul 2016	#108
So it is a toy to you and could be replaced with a shotgun for hunting	KeepItReal	Jul 2016	#127
you could but shotguns are not practical, for this range/type of hunting	SpookyDem	Jul 2016	#354
Nope. I use an actual military-issue sniper rifle for hunting.	sir pball	Jul 2016	#390
The majority of those who own them.	beevul	Jul 2016	#41
Ignorance you say?	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#54
Well....	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#93
What a lovely straw-man.	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#98
Murder is illegal too.	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#120
Haven't seen too many felonious gun violent perps get a pat on the back. They too are typically	jmg257	Jul 2016	#363
I don't get your point at all. Driving drunk is illegal, and other activities drunk	MillennialDem	Jul 2016	#104
Murdering someone is illegal too.	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#124
Thank YOU!	smirkymonkey	Jul 2016	#146
No. Ignorance is believing that any majority share your opinion.	beevul	Jul 2016	#170
Target shooting is a sport	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#179
3 gun competition shooters.	ileus	Jul 2016	#381
The Germans, they LOVE the AR but hate our sloppy manufacturing.	sir pball	Jul 2016	#393
It seems the sport they refer to is...	liberal N proud	Jul 2016	#128
Shooting guns is not a sport	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#163
ahhhh the voice of ignorance	melm00se	Jul 2016	#180
Olympics also sees curling as a sport.	liberal N proud	Jul 2016	#194
No it takes skill	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#185
You have to make sure that trigger finger is properly stretched	liberal N proud	Jul 2016	#187
Pulling a trigger doesn't mean you're going to hit anything.	beevul	Jul 2016	#199
Me, my Loving Wife, and all three of our sons shoot HighPower.	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#258
The fact that something is hard doesn't make it a sport	mythology	Jul 2016	#344
It requires more than "physical strength"	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#346
Is it a sport if it's in the Olympics? nt	sir pball	Jul 2016	#391
Who on earth should respect anything you have to say on this subject after that ignorant gem.	Marengo	Jul 2016	#341
flame	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#383
Then come on out to a match, and show us how easy it is.	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#384
LOL! It's rare to see a such a public display of profound ignorance on a subject. But...	Marengo	Jul 2016	#387
You are	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#412
It's not the guns, even, it's the NRA.	Barack_America	Jul 2016	#4
It's BOTH.	calimary	Jul 2016	#38
^^^This!!!	DemonGoddess	Jul 2016	#69
its not the NRA, it is the gun culture they represent	Amishman	Jul 2016	#88
This is fairly accurate	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#117
The NRA isn't about members	SCantiGOP	Jul 2016	#126
I'm not familiar with their funding	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#130
It's not for lack of funding	EL34x4	Jul 2016	#151
Actually, that would be the NSSF. N/T	beevul	Jul 2016	#171
Bloomberg has more money than the NRA	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#188
Completely wrong	pipoman	Jul 2016	#343
The death toll due to "gun culture" is strange.	Igel	Jul 2016	#147
Unfortunately, you are right.	Scruffy1	Jul 2016	#158
The 2nd Amendment hasn't a thing to do with "need" or "hunting"....nothing	pipoman	Jul 2016	#345
In which conflict(s) did your grandfather win 3 silver stars? What was the branch of service?	Marengo	Jul 2016	#404
Don't forget the 90-100 million gun owners. That's a whole bunch of people. nt	jmg257	Jul 2016	#123
disagree	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#164
Open carry is totally idiotic	Motley13	Jul 2016	#5
My son best friend is a concealed and carry person. I asked him why	B Calm	Jul 2016	#56
His possession of a firearm makes him on average 8.5 times more	KingCharlemagne	Jul 2016	#80
When these two boys were growing up together I insisted they	B Calm	Jul 2016	#83
Sorry to belabor the point. you can be the safest gun-owner in the history of the known universe and	KingCharlemagne	Jul 2016	#91
Cite your source, please.	Kang Colby	Jul 2016	#112
nah, not going to get in a pissing match with gun humpers. - nt	KingCharlemagne	Jul 2016	#114
I think people are starting to get it.	Kang Colby	Jul 2016	#119
At least you admit what your statistics are composed of.	former9thward	Jul 2016	#177
Heh-heh.	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#193
At least you seem to admit	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#191
You cite lies and pretend those who point it out are the problem....	pipoman	Jul 2016	#347
Well, not totally idiotic.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#270
The humpers are going to swarm this, but of course you are right.	Squinch	Jul 2016	#7
If you put them all on ignore, it makes things almost tolerable.	SwankyXomb	Jul 2016	#23
One reason that nothing gets done in this country	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#122
Add me	jack_krass	Jul 2016	#356
How about rifles with 10 round fixed mags, like the SKS? nt	jmg257	Jul 2016	#8
I have a Savage Arms .22 Semi-auto with a 10 round mag. Assault rifle?	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#32
.22 caliber firearms kill a lot of people annually.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#337
But then how would they resist a tyrannical government / kill cops? ...I mean...er...Constitution!	alcibiades_mystery	Jul 2016	#9
Yeah, ask them who exactly they plan to shoot and when?	Jerry442	Jul 2016	#66
Technical Note: Hitler was "appointed," not "elected." The Nazi Party	KingCharlemagne	Jul 2016	#81
Fair point.	Jerry442	Jul 2016	#85
Van Papen and the conservatives around Hindenburg thought they could "control".and	KingCharlemagne	Jul 2016	#89
{Sigh} Remember when "Godwin's Law" was an obscure Internet meme? NT	Jerry442	Jul 2016	#92
Right, because people willing to murder never do anything illegal.	appal_jack	Jul 2016	#10
Why not make it harder for the murderous fucks, as you say?	morningfog	Jul 2016	#11
No & no at present.	appal_jack	Jul 2016	#12
Of course it would make it harder.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#14
Jesus...	G_j	Jul 2016	#18
+1 n/t	IL Lib	Jul 2016	#22
remember this?	AntiBank	Jul 2016	#47
Yes, fire extinguishers are for cowards too.	appal_jack	Jul 2016	#111
Maybe more like having a hook and ladder truck	G_j	Jul 2016	#136
If it needs to be parked in the drive way, it's a howitzer, not a handgun.	appal_jack	Jul 2016	#150
I had to call emergency services once in Maine..	sir pball	Jul 2016	#392
I was referring to the imagined "need"	G_j	Jul 2016	#398
The only imagined 'need', is the 'need' to ban them. N/T	beevul	Jul 2016	#399
If you are going to go through the steps to arm yourself, especially for defense,	jmg257	Jul 2016	#401
a lot of sane people	G_j	Jul 2016	#402
Sure....and it makes some sense - for home protection - for some. Of course they have semi-auto	jmg257	Jul 2016	#403
Sure - if you are a good shot	hack89	Jul 2016	#409
"Are you worried about the police and HS weapons?"	sarisataka	Jul 2016	#13
Yes. Two black men had guns and white cops freaked out	morningfog	Jul 2016	#15
So if black men don't want to worry about police	sarisataka	Jul 2016	#16
the shooter cop in Minnesota was a PoC, Jeronimo Yanez, not a white cop	AntiBank	Jul 2016	#48
We have what amounts to an open border to the south.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#33
The thing is, you DON'T make it harder for the murderous fucks...	beevul	Jul 2016	#172
If guns were illegal, they'd be very, very expensive.	Marr	Jul 2016	#28
Market science says that makes the price go down rather than disappear.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#35
Just like cocaine pot and heroine, right? N/T	beevul	Jul 2016	#42
Exactly like that, yeah-- they're expensive.	Marr	Jul 2016	#144
Our survey says: Bzzt.	beevul	Jul 2016	#173
This says you're wrong:	Marr	Jul 2016	#182
So you want a war on guns, just like the war on drugs.	beevul	Jul 2016	#189
I'm glad you admit prices on guns would go up, at least.	Marr	Jul 2016	#192
Gun control proponents regularly engage in mischaracterization...	beevul	Jul 2016	#198
So the US and Australia are utterly incomparable, but comparing a	Marr	Jul 2016	#272
Gun control advocates also tend to double down when called on their mischaracterizations...	beevul	Jul 2016	#291
In posts #173 and #42, you very clearly made the comparison to marijuana.	Marr	Jul 2016	#302
In the context of its prohibition.	beevul	Jul 2016	#306
Obviously. That's the entire context of the discussion. /nt	Marr	Jul 2016	#307
Then don't accuse me of comparing pot to guns...	beevul	Jul 2016	#308
I didn't mischaracterize your comments.	Marr	Jul 2016	#357
Yes you did, and unless you edit or delete...	beevul	Jul 2016	#367
they would still be dirt cheap	AntiBank	Jul 2016	#50
Not according to this.	Marr	Jul 2016	#184
you erected a strawman. I never said it would drive the price down	AntiBank	Jul 2016	#252
Well, if your argument is that the price would go up, but not much, you're equally incorrect.	Marr	Jul 2016	#305
you once again fail to see that Australia is vastly different	AntiBank	Jul 2016	#311
Australia is a huge continent, surrounded by massive economies.	Marr	Jul 2016	#355
not only are you wrong, but this entire thread is based off	AntiBank	Jul 2016	#359
Not a fantasy, a hypothetical.	Marr	Jul 2016	#362
One man 'Challenged' the government just a few days ago.	beevul	Jul 2016	#364
Where is that Texas shooter, again?	Marr	Jul 2016	#368
Of course you do.	beevul	Jul 2016	#370
I'm finding it difficult to control my laughter.	Marr	Jul 2016	#371
How many did the DC sniper kill?	beevul	Jul 2016	#374
There's asymmetrical war, and there's Ammon Bundy-style 'uprising'.	Marr	Jul 2016	#379
More likely massive and open non-compliance, with law enforcement agencies refusing to enforce	Marengo	Jul 2016	#366
Those who expect a 'civil war' to help them defend their toy chest	Marr	Jul 2016	#369
I doubt much resistance would be violent, nor would it need be. Compliance and enforcement	Marengo	Jul 2016	#373
Sorry, but ganja price is still dropping.	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#203
Sorry, but you're the one arguing against basic market principles.	Marr	Jul 2016	#234
Well hell, why have any laws at all then?	Marr	Jul 2016	#358
Thats a strawman. Nobody wants "no laws".	beevul	Jul 2016	#365
Common error.	Straw Man	Jul 2016	#372
It's almost pathetic that all of the mass shootings in recent	SheilaT	Jul 2016	#17
Modern military assault rifles never were meant for everyone.	rusty quoin	Jul 2016	#20
The weapons in question, are not "Modern military assault rifles".	beevul	Jul 2016	#43
You know you've lost when you're trying to debate the definition of the weapon	KeepItReal	Jul 2016	#133
We weren't debating the 'definition'...	beevul	Jul 2016	#176
Interesting	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#46
Agreed. That's why the US has banned them since the 1930s	Recursion	Jul 2016	#71
Way to twist the argument.	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#73
He doesn't know what he meant. He thinks AR-15s fire faster than other rifles. He's wrong.	Recursion	Jul 2016	#75
That is not the point, at all.	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#77
None of which weapons? Semi-automatics?	Recursion	Jul 2016	#84
Most people don't know all the terminology	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#100
Getting the terminology right is critical	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#125
I agree we need to be educated so we may fight from a position of strength	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#135
The Virginia Tech shooter	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#140
Rifles of any kind are rarely used in murders	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#197
What are "these" weapons?	Recursion	Jul 2016	#137
I'm not uncomfortable with it at all-	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#145
We tried that way once and got the disastrous AWB	Recursion	Jul 2016	#148
It is really very simple if you would just admit it	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#202
+1	Matrosov	Jul 2016	#153
Or an ammosexual	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#205
If you are in the business of banning, you better.	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#211
It very easy to convert a semi-auto to full auto. Truthfully, a semi-auto is sufficiently deadly.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#109
None of those were converted to full auto	Recursion	Jul 2016	#139
No, you've totally missed the point. Semi-autos can kill 50 people quickly. And if you want,	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#143
So drop the "military" nonsense	Recursion	Jul 2016	#149
Time to ban/restrict semi-autos. Thought it was clear.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#154
You're being clear; the OP isn't	Recursion	Jul 2016	#155
It is not easy and has not been for decades	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#207
Bullshit.	beevul	Jul 2016	#212
So this slide stock does not exist, even though it's sold on Amazon.com.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#222
Were those goalposts heavy hoyt?	beevul	Jul 2016	#225
I've already posted a video of how to do it internally. The slide stock is a conversion too.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#226
Not in this thread you haven't.	beevul	Jul 2016	#230
Fact is, real military assault rifles are used on select fire most of the time.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#236
Fact is, you don't know what you're talking about.	beevul	Jul 2016	#241
Beevul, it's a title with editing to make it fit. You know what it means, or should. Quit playing	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#242
ROFL.	beevul	Jul 2016	#246
This message was self-deleted by its author	SuperDutyTX	Jul 2016	#21
The prospect of having to "give them up" is exactly what they live for.	Aristus	Jul 2016	#24
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2016	#26
I'll keep my semi-automatic rifles. n/t	Waldorf	Jul 2016	#29
Why? Germany, Austria, Italy, New Zealand, among others, all allow them and it's OK...BAN PISTOLS.	sir pball	Jul 2016	#36
Yes, ban all guns NOW, in the USA.	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#39
So, you propose the absolute strictest gun control in the world, off the bat?	sir pball	Jul 2016	#40
Yes, I propose banning all guns except those for agricultural purposes,	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#95
It is HUGELY difficult	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#129
Most of the civilized world hasn't banned guns.	Statistical	Jul 2016	#190
The Constitution is hardly a perfect document, and it is meant to be a fluid document that	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#196
Well then get out from"underahedgerow" and get busy.	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#260
I do what I can. I've done what I can on other issues, far too deep to detail here.	underahedgerow	Jul 2016	#273
What's an agricultural purpose?	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#210
How about "No". N/T	beevul	Jul 2016	#44
No..	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#49
All guns?	Adrahil	Jul 2016	#94
Thank you. The 2nd Amendment argument for handguns is much weaker, too	Recursion	Jul 2016	#72
Interesting. Given the data and ergonomics, you might be right.	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#216
I don't actually support banning handguns, but I do realize they're the bigger problem by 20x.	sir pball	Jul 2016	#389
I am under NO obligation to obey unjust laws..	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#45
There goes that "law-abiding" BS.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#86
And you've never broken a law, mister self admitted former robber? N/T	beevul	Jul 2016	#201
Good luck making your own powder and primer	MillennialDem	Jul 2016	#99
It is not a problem..	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#281
No, I'd never waste a single penny on that horrible (outside of war) industry.	MillennialDem	Jul 2016	#303
Who's wasting?	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#313
Irrelevant to my point. I said I will never spend a penny on guns.	MillennialDem	Jul 2016	#314
But you do spend money on guns and ammo.	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#315
Oh brother	MillennialDem	Jul 2016	#324
Not a chance in hell.	OccupyPA	Jul 2016	#51
Aren't the majority of shootings done with handguns?	JonathanRackham	Jul 2016	#52
ssssssssshhhhhhhhhh nt	michreject	Jul 2016	#113
Yes	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#213
During WWI shotguns were used as trench clearing firearms	JonathanRackham	Jul 2016	#231
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#53
People that use an assault weapon for hunting suck at hunting.	baldguy	Jul 2016	#55
OK, what you've just done is shown that you don't understand what these are.	Recursion	Jul 2016	#70
Yeah - that handgrip sure makes a "wanna be" hunter a real wussie.	jmg257	Jul 2016	#110
And you hunt how often? n/t	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#284
The constitution doesn't mention hunting and sporting as the reason to be able to carry	FXSTD	Jul 2016	#58
I'd like for you to quote the exact phrase in the Constitution	GaYellowDawg	Jul 2016	#348
The preamble comes pretty close.	beevul	Jul 2016	#349
Well I don't see guns, or oppressive government mentioned anywhere there. So...	GaYellowDawg	Jul 2016	#350
No, you don't.	beevul	Jul 2016	#351
"A well regulated militia"	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#420
Do we have to pit gun carriers and gun haters against each other on this site again?	romanic	Jul 2016	#59
Yes. Because the gun lovers are standing in the way of societal progress.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#60
Discussions have to be made.	romanic	Jul 2016	#61
I've lost patience. Every goddamned time, these assholes trot	morningfog	Jul 2016	#62
Good luck.	romanic	Jul 2016	#64
Not interested in a civil conversation with this people. They are irrational.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#96
You are free to keep thinking wrongly, & losing votes.	appal_jack	Jul 2016	#115
I don't need your permission. So long.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#142
Hope the fog clears for you some day.	appal_jack	Jul 2016	#152
I thought you were leaving?	morningfog	Jul 2016	#160
+1	MirrorAshes	Jul 2016	#79
You don't coddle them.	hack89	Jul 2016	#165
Way to win your argument, lol	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#214
I don't give a FUCK. Not trying to win an argument. Get o. It get the fuck out of the way.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#249
That attitude is why	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#253
No, it is the people who worship the gun and stroke it.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#277
And who is that, me?	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#279
You'll have to try on your own shoes.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#293
You directed that response to me	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#296
And tell us, who are those people? n/t	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#285
They are obvious.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#292
They are not, point some out	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#297
No I have decided not to. n/t	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#261
Is anybody here against their own free will?	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#421
The definition debate has to preclude reform concerning assault rifles.	Captain Stern	Jul 2016	#63
We won't be giving them up.	aikoaiko	Jul 2016	#67
I'm thinking of picking up an SKS 7.62mm	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#178
I'm right there too.	beevul	Jul 2016	#206
If you're interested....	aikoaiko	Jul 2016	#209
Man, I was told no background checks for internet sales	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#255
License and insure, just like cars	greymattermom	Jul 2016	#68
And tax them annually, just like cars.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#87
Whoops, posted in wrong place. My apologies.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#102
I do not need a license and insurance to OWN	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#217
tax a civil liberty?	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#382
I agree. And "open carry" has to go away.	Vinca	Jul 2016	#74
That's interesting: I'm personally much more bothered by concealed carry	Recursion	Jul 2016	#76
I'm bothered by that, too. Personally, I'd like all guns gone.	Vinca	Jul 2016	#78
Me too, open carry	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#219
Nope	Matrosov	Jul 2016	#82
No. nt	hack89	Jul 2016	#97
Honestly, we should ban all handguns. Let the fetishists keep their long guns, hand guns cause	MillennialDem	Jul 2016	#101
Police?	mainstreetonce	Jul 2016	#105
because the AWB was ineffective.	Statistical	Jul 2016	#200
In mass shootings	mainstreetonce	Jul 2016	#208
Orlando, Dallas, Sandy Hook, etc., prove semi-autos are plenty deadly, but gunners can convert	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#107
And how many people are killed by rifles annually? nt	hack89	Jul 2016	#167
I'd like to hear about one instance of a mass shooting where a bump fire stock was in use.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#195
Once again, I have no issue restricting semi-auto pistols too. Just riding the wave of opposition	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#218
What you say makes me happy.	hack89	Jul 2016	#220
LOL!	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#386
The first two videos ARE NOT automatic weapons. They are sem-automatic approved by the BATF.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#183
Didn't say they were fully automatic. It's a technique to simulate full auto.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#215
That was the implication you made when you used the word 'convert'.	beevul	Jul 2016	#239
Look at what I said and stop pointing at each word. This is exactly what I said above bumpfirer:	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#240
I am.	beevul	Jul 2016	#243
The FBI	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#221
No thanks. n/t	Kang Colby	Jul 2016	#121
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2016	#161
Why would they do that? Gun hoarders have serious issues that will never be addressed.	Rex	Jul 2016	#166
We have more guns than people in the US	Motley13	Jul 2016	#174
IT takes a lot of money and a special license to buy an assault rifle, and only one manufactured...	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#175
We are talking quasi-assault rifles and you know it. Everyone but gunners understand the target.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#224
What the hell is a quasi-assalt rifle?	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#233
How else to converse with people who play the gun nomenclature game to avoid obvious.	Hoyt	Jul 2016	#238
As opposed to people who can't be bothered to know what they're talking about...	beevul	Jul 2016	#247
Good point	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#256
Words mean things	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#254
Words mean things and there is a VERY specific definition of "Assault rifle"	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#251
Instead of creating new words, why not just call it what it is. A semi-automatic rifle.	Waldorf	Jul 2016	#274
Correction: Assault Rifles are capable of full-auto fire. These rifles are already regulated.	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#181
Not a fetishist, a realist.	sofa king	Jul 2016	#186
^^^^^	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#204
Thank you.	sofa king	Jul 2016	#223
Exactly; I agree	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#265
I agree 100%	SuperDutyTX	Jul 2016	#245
Meh. Fuck tradition. Ass backwards hicks should not control the debate.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#248
But they will...	sofa king	Jul 2016	#257
Are you saying everybody who disagrees with you about firearm regulation is...	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#259
Of course not, only the ignorant hicks.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#275
And neither should insult spewing morons. n/t	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#262
+1 (nt)	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#268
Who you calling a moron, shooter?	morningfog	Jul 2016	#276
those who bring nothing to the table	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#282
Much noise, and vitriol ... no action as usual	DonP	Jul 2016	#405
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#395
No, you do not get it.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#396
If I can give up lawn darts...	maveric56	Jul 2016	#227
Lawn darts were not	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#235
As with the phony "assaut weapon" ban, lawn darts are not completely banned.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#340
the last two nationally prominent mass killers explicitly targeted whites	Angel Martin	Jul 2016	#228
You need to clean up your definitions. I think I will buy one...	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#229
FWIW, my husband is a hunter, bought a lifetime membership in the NRA many years ago,	napi21	Jul 2016	#232
Semi-automatic firearms have been around since before the year 1900.	beevul	Jul 2016	#424
I AGREE WITH YOU.	trueblue2007	Jul 2016	#237
I look forward to hearing your plan for collecting all of those weapons	bluestateguy	Jul 2016	#250
Legal Gun owners are just going to have to give up assault rifles.... ummmm Nope n/t	DustyJoe	Jul 2016	#263
I got no time for pro-massacre assholes.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#278
And I have no time for hoplophobes. n/t	oneshooter	Jul 2016	#286
So you genuinely believe..	SuperDutyTX	Jul 2016	#287
Not all of them.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#294
Are most?	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#298
Who the fuck knows. Not playing.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#301
Is there anyone...	SuperDutyTX	Jul 2016	#304
LOL. Good luck to you.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#310
hah	SuperDutyTX	Jul 2016	#312
It is very typical	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#321
Yup.	SuperDutyTX	Jul 2016	#330
So when challenged on your comment	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#320
I don't think that being for gun rights makes me pro-massacre, but then I'm also for abortion rights	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#288
Stop calling them assault rifles - Use the proper name - Killing machines.	GoneOffShore	Jul 2016	#280
If you truly want to use the proper name, then it would be semi-automatic rifles.	Waldorf	Jul 2016	#290
And the nomenclature bullshit begins. Killing machines.	GoneOffShore	Jul 2016	#316
Nomenclature bullshit part 3. Killing machines.	GoneOffShore	Jul 2016	#318
How are you going to define "killing machines"	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#326
Sorry, no. in any discussion about these devices, the best way to frame it is "killing machines".	GoneOffShore	Jul 2016	#329
Not quite.	SuperDutyTX	Jul 2016	#335
The Killing Machine Ban - should go over big in Congress. nt	jmg257	Jul 2016	#328
I will not give that bullshit argument respect. Fuck that/	morningfog	Jul 2016	#295
Nomenclature bullshit part two. Killing machines.	GoneOffShore	Jul 2016	#317
Because that is not the proper name	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#300
Nomenclature bullshit part 4. Killing machines.	GoneOffShore	Jul 2016	#319
Good luck passing a law	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#325
I've been learning all my life and one of the things I have learned is that some people love	GoneOffShore	Jul 2016	#327
One of the many reasons	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#331
Yep	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#333
Something catchy and trademarkable, yet demeaning	SwankyXomb	Jul 2016	#342
Uh nope and besides, if they don't know you have them, how they going	Purveyor	Jul 2016	#283
We should be able to make	deathrind	Jul 2016	#289
Why do you leave Chicago out?	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#299
You'd have to ban all firearms	TeddyR	Jul 2016	#332
They will not listen, sadly	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#334
re: "We've had enough."	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jul 2016	#309
I do not know how the poor officer behind him	Duckhunter935	Jul 2016	#323
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2016	#322
You demand that a current right be taken, then say "don't even start a debate, I don't give a damn."	MadDAsHell	Jul 2016	#352
I don't have a dog in this fight but I find these threads wildly entertaining. Anyone else?	WillowTree	Jul 2016	#353
I love them, one side knows their shit	R.A. Ganoush	Jul 2016	#378
A grown up society?	Abq_Sarah	Jul 2016	#360
The Gun Used by the Dallas Police Murderer is Revealed. It’s Not What Most People Thought.	tirebiter	Jul 2016	#361
I don't see an issue here...considering I own counter assault rifles.	ileus	Jul 2016	#380
a connection	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#385
The Dallas shooter used an SKS.	dilby	Jul 2016	#388
To get this out there - the weapon used is now reported as an AK-74.	jmg257	Jul 2016	#400
Sadly, someone like him could have used a bolt action to similar effect (nt)	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#411
What an incredibly arrogant OP.	NaturalHigh	Jul 2016	#406
Thanks!	morningfog	Jul 2016	#410
I's sorry	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#413
Why? Because you say so?	Wayburn	Jul 2016	#408
Their is a word of warning, in the responses in this thread..	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#414
Shhh! Keep it secret from the gun lovers until after we take the House, Senate and White House.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#415
the "gun lovers" as you put it..	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#416
They are extreme, I'll give you that.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#417
Extreme?	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#418
Meh. You say personal property, I say instrument of death	morningfog	Jul 2016	#419
?	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#422
Wait and see mountainman.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#423
Paranoia??	virginia mountainman	Jul 2016	#426
Oh, like you are talking free enterprise.	Jim Beard	Jul 2016	#427
Its funny how that works, isn't it?	beevul	Jul 2016	#425
But can we keep our counter assault rifles?	ileus	Jul 2016	#428
Absolutely not.	morningfog	Jul 2016	#429
Ah, come on	SheriffBob	Jul 2016	#430
Will your ever-shifting definition include 19-ton refer trucks?	Eleanors38	Jul 2016	#431
Are truck drivers going to have to give up assault trucks?	Albertoo	Jul 2016	#432

Response to morningfog (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:59 PM

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Gun lovers are just going to have to give up assault rifles.

1. Good luck with that, we can't even get agreement on DU n/t

2. DU has a few vocal gun fetishists.

37. Well I happen to agree with you, morningfog.

339. totally agree

338. No, I have been here over 10 years

156. There were Democrats who didn't want, or believe in, civil rights in the 60's, too.

3. Its a modern sporting rifle

6. Which bears an amazing resemblance to weapons first designed by the Nazis. NT

27. What modern gun are you comparing to which nazi rifle?

65. How about this one.

106. Top one is a 22 LR nt

264. The first one is NOT an StG 44

19. Sporting rifle... What does that mean?

25. For sportsing of course

31. Who the fuck uses an AR-15 for "sport"?

34. I use them for target shooting and coyote/pig hunting

57. And you need an AR-15 for that?

90. What kind of fun should he use? NT

103. Something that can't be used to murder dozens of people in minutes would be a start. nt.

116. So no semi-auto handguns either?

131. Personally, I want them all banned.

134. Look, I completely respect your opinion

138. I appreciate the civil discussion, truly

141. Thank you

159. This is exactly what we need.

394. Do you want to stop mass shootings, or the quotidian gun violence?

397. I want to do both.

244. i totally agree with you. I'm absolutely DONE enabling violence

266. Here's how you accomplish that.

375. The amendment is silly in today's real world

376. No, you don't understand the opriginal intent at all.

377. Sorry your opinion

118. Hard to write that into a law.

132. None of these killing machines are acceptable.

157. Not even for hunters?

168. Hunters can find a new hobby.

169. Ah, the voice of ignorance. But, please continue to roll with that "hobby" nonsense...

271. Ahh, the voice of an enabler.

407. Do you believe all hunting is for sport?

269. What's your plan for....

162. Sound's like "Bungalow Bill"

267. Difficult but not impossible. See post #266 for a detailed step by step how to guide. eom

336. Any gun can be used to murder dozens of people, or even a knife or bomb

108. Not based on need

127. So it is a toy to you and could be replaced with a shotgun for hunting

354. you could but shotguns are not practical, for this range/type of hunting

390. Nope. I use an actual military-issue sniper rifle for hunting.

41. The majority of those who own them.

54. Ignorance you say?

93. Well....

98. What a lovely straw-man.

120. Murder is illegal too.

363. Haven't seen too many felonious gun violent perps get a pat on the back. They too are typically

104. I don't get your point at all. Driving drunk is illegal, and other activities drunk

124. Murdering someone is illegal too.

146. Thank YOU!

170. No. Ignorance is believing that any majority share your opinion.

179. Target shooting is a sport

381. 3 gun competition shooters.

393. The Germans, they LOVE the AR but hate our sloppy manufacturing.

128. It seems the sport they refer to is...

163. Shooting guns is not a sport

180. ahhhh the voice of ignorance

194. Olympics also sees curling as a sport.

185. No it takes skill

187. You have to make sure that trigger finger is properly stretched

199. Pulling a trigger doesn't mean you're going to hit anything.

258. Me, my Loving Wife, and all three of our sons shoot HighPower.

344. The fact that something is hard doesn't make it a sport

346. It requires more than "physical strength"

391. Is it a sport if it's in the Olympics? nt

341. Who on earth should respect anything you have to say on this subject after that ignorant gem.

383. flame

384. Then come on out to a match, and show us how easy it is.

387. LOL! It's rare to see a such a public display of profound ignorance on a subject. But...

412. You are

4. It's not the guns, even, it's the NRA.

38. It's BOTH.

69. ^^^This!!!