Found on facebook...

[madamesilverspurs]

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[Mika]

1. Lame Deer, Seeker Of Visions is a GREAT book

Lame Deer, Seeker Of Visions
http://www.amazon.com/Lame-Seeker-Visions-Enriched-Classics/dp/0671888021

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[SaB2012]

2. I hate to be a naysayer

But that seems kind of naively Pollyannish. If someone steals from you, do you really need formal laws to say that they cheated and stole from you and that the person is a cheat and a thief? Are prisons really necessary for determining whether or not "delinquents" exist? Sorry, but the native peoples are still human and undoubtedly had all the problems that all societies -- "civilized" or not -- had and currently have.

[11 Bravo]

3. You "hate to be a naysayer". Yet here you are, on your 1st day at DU, naysaying.

I tend to resist doing things that I "hate to do" with a bit more vigor than you apparently possess.

[SaB2012]

7. Do you have anything worthwhile to say about the content of my post

Or are you just mad that I had the guts enough to say it instead of rolling over and accepting this silly, unrealistic, completely anti-historic meme that Native Americans were all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows before Europeans came?

[A Simple Game]

9. You make claims that could be anywhere from 100% factual to

100% false. Who knows? We don't get mad because someone has guts, well not most of us, we get mad when someone doesn't back up what they say with facts.

Myself? I think you and the chief are both exaggerating, with you bordering on hyperbole.

[ashling]

11. Great response

[freshwest]

4. Now we know why they were called red men. Bunch of communists! Good to think about, thanks.

[Brickbat]

5. They may not have had "prison," but endemic warfare isn't a walk in the park.

[teddy51]

6. Awesome, thanks for posting. That is a keeper.

[SunSeeker]

8. Sigh. Yes, sounds like Eden. But I'd miss toilets.

[Bandit]

10. Does this just refer to his one tiny tribe?

What about the Mayans or the Aztecs or the Tolmecs, or the Incas, or many many tribes that existed long before the "whiteman" entered the scene....Mayans had writing and held prisoners and had established trade..

[jerseyjack]

12. How does this account for the inter-tribal and inter-first-nation wars before the white eyes came?

[Hestia]

13. Not every tribe was warlike

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_coup I am pretty sure the Lakota were one's who did this - touched another tribe member instead of killing him. Also, most NA tribes were small - 150 to 200 people, which the perfect amount of people to live with. If the village became too big, young males were pushed out to start their own village. Many tribes, many villages, many ways of life. You cannot sum up their story by one war or even several wars.

[Pauline89]

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[jimlup]

15. While the naysayers will say Oh but the Mayan's and Aztecs etc...

That isn't the point. I've been learning a bit about Native history and it is shocking. I never realized how large the great dying actually was. What we know in history is really a native population which has been decimated by disease.

What came before in North America is much different from what I had pictured. Still I believe that there is some great wisdom in the anarchical society of the North American Natives.