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Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:05 PM

 

but ah my friends and oh my foes, it shed a lovely light.

Fare thee well, all.

Thanks for the hospitality over these many years, Skinner. You've been a gracious host. I've enjoyed discussions with so many people here, and I've learned a lot.

But sometimes moving on is just the right... move.

That's it, really.

Have a lovely summer, everyone.

(Mods, I understand if you lock this.)

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:11 PM

1. .







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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:12 PM

2. Um, hi?

Safe travels.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:13 PM

3. Wha happened?

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:26 PM

5. Nothing happened.

 

I just feel like I'm walking on eggshells here, now.

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:52 PM

49. Same here.

Love the Dorothy Parker quote though.

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Response to trof (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:12 AM

102. Actually Edna St. Vincent Millay. N/ T

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:42 PM

71. me2 - take care cali.

 

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:17 AM

148. Which is exactly what I warned about when skinner revealed the new rules.

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 04:09 PM

185. I understand your feelings. I've cut ...

way back on my DU time; but I'm not yet ready to pull the plug.
I hope you reconsider, but if not, you will be sincerely missed.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:58 PM

17. Trump gave an economic speech.

That appeals to the idiotic masses.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:24 PM

4. have a good summer.. see you in a few weeks Cali..

You can no more stay away from this zoo than I can take care

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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:29 PM

6. I've found a new political online home, so I really am

 

leaving. I've never written a goodbye not so cruel world post before. I wouldn't have written it if I intended to stay. After today, I'm just not going to here. I'm no longer comfortable enough to stay.

Be well and take care.

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Response to cali (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:30 PM

7. Oh shoot!

Well buzz through and shoot me an email every blue moon.. going to miss you

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Response to cali (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:48 PM

13. You will be missed

Too many DUers re leaving

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Response to malaise (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:47 PM

26. And there are a lot of reasons for that, too.

 

I'm not there yet, but I can certainly see how someone could get there.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:46 PM

36. Ditto

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Response to malaise (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:06 PM

66. yep

 

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Response to malaise (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:53 AM

106. With every ahem... non-purge DU finds itself in the right company,

 


but will anybody be left?

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:51 PM

110. I don't know n/t

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Response to cali (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:02 PM

20. Your posting of actual facts is not very welcome here anymore.

 

You'll be missed!

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:10 PM

42. The posting of actual facts is welcome here, made up ones pushed by the RW is not,

 

but I'm sure that the "new place" welcomes such things.

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Response to synergie (Reply #42)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:10 PM

60. It's the Inconvenient Facts that are at issue and the fact that any

 

thing that is Inconvenient, is RW. Works like magic.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:06 PM

120. Well, I got several hides on posts that had inconvenient facts that were not RW at all

 

hidden, some people can't handle facts, and some people think that any lie they'd like to believe about people they don't like are "facts" and not RW at all, despite their existence in the RW echo chamber. The "magic" is amazing, when Rove and the Daily Caller etc. are "factual" simply because one wishes their screeds were actually true.

The magic that turned RW smears into "facts" are explained here:
http://thedailybanter.com/2016/01/hillary-gop-smears/

During the primaries such "magic" was often used, and any dissent silenced. Even posts that cited the actual printed writings of a candidate in context and directly were deemed to be "inconvenient" despite their factual attribution, while magic was used to cobble together bits and pieces to create a story that the RW had originated, and were treated as facts.

Aren't you glad that primary season is over and such obvious lame tricks are over now? If that's the type posts one wishes to indulge in there are many places that are not so hot on facts, that do love that magic and where such nonsense is acceptable and invited. This not one of them.

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Response to synergie (Reply #120)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:19 PM

165. I hear you. I got my very first hide on one of those Inconvenient Facts.

 

It wasn't even snarky. So, it's good all that is done. Agreed.

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Response to synergie (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:56 AM

107. You're more than welcome to cite these examples...

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #107)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:59 PM

118. You need me to cite the examples of RW sites that were posted here?

 

You're more than welcome to do a DU search for your favorite RW site and take a look for yourself.

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Response to synergie (Reply #118)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:04 PM

119. You're more than welcome to back up your claims...

 


Absent links to what you claim then you really don't have much.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #119)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:36 PM

123. You're more than welcome to use the method I described to find your citations to

 

to satisfy your curiosity, but you don't seem to be actually concerned about evidence itself, so absent any legitimate argument on your part, you don 't seem to have anything at all to say here.

Absent any actual effort on your part to do your homework, you don't seem to have anything to say. Gee, it almost seems like you would like me to deliberately violate the TOS or something, but surely that's not true right?

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Response to synergie (Reply #123)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:00 PM

131. LOL!

 


Where's your evidence...??

If you make an allegation then it is on your shoulders to back up your claims.

TY for failing and flailing.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #119)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:30 PM

170. If you missed all the bulkshit links to RW sites- you missed plenty. Never seen such trash here-

 

Never watched so many people salivate over the likes of Breibert and the frigging Moonie Times.
What an embarrassment this place was, with posters cheering on RW nut jobs.
We ALL saw it.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #170)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 04:51 AM

175. An allegation was made by a poster against another poster inthis thread.

 


Instead of backing up those allegations I see the usual inability to produce any proof.

Care to continue with lots-o-nothing?

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Response to synergie (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:13 PM

137. How would you be "sure that the 'new place' welcomes such things"? What the hell do...

 

...you have against the "new place"? C'mon, speak up!

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #137)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:21 PM

147. I actually find it hilarious how many are secretly lurking

 



They have their dream candidate, profess nothing but disdain for Bernie so why the continued "concern'?

She's going to win so no worries right?

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Response to cali (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:42 PM

58. I am more a lurker than a poster.

Or perhaps I should say reader than a poster. I always enjoyed your posts and am sad that you are leaving. Keep yourself safe and take care. Things change but not always for the better and this is one of those times. You will be missed my friend.
Edited to add
Thank you for letting us (me) know you are leaving and the reason why. Many state that they would rather see the individual just leave but I am in the crowd that likes to know what happened and why.

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Response to cali (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:17 PM

109. May I ask what makes you feel unwelcome?

So far the only two posts I have alerted on were people bashing Bernie.

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Response to cali (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:08 AM

150. Since, if you replied, it was removed before I saw it, if you do come back to read this thread...

I love you and will miss you. But I hope that my question didn't offend you, nor my behavior here.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:38 PM

9. Props for the Edna reference.

Best wishes to you!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:41 PM

10. Cheers, cali

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:41 PM

11. Your voice will be missed.

You have been one of the posters that I have enjoyed the most on this site.

Always intelligent, thoughtful and insightful... no matter who challenged you.

What a loss for DU.

Fare thee well, cali... may the road rise up to meet you.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:47 PM

12. alrightythen ... n/t

 

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:36 PM

31. When the going heads in a different direction...

well, some people just find it hard. Cali gave abstention a good try.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:17 PM

139. When that direction is a vault across the center to the right-wing side, it is hard. nt

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:53 PM

14. ebb and flow - n/t

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:30 PM

70. My neighbors...Ebinezer and Florence Jones.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:54 PM

15. Thank you for the work to keep conversation active at DU.

See you on the other side.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:57 PM

16. Have a beautiful summer. nt.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:00 PM

18. Bummer, but .. well .. it's not really goodbye.

 

Will your moniker be the same on JPR? I'm sure to be seeing
you soon 'over there'.

My hat is off to you Cali for your YUUGE contribution to DU over
the years, helping make it an interesting and informative place.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:38 PM

32. A bunch seem to be changing their names over there.

They don't feel anonymous enough.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:18 PM

61. Sounds like you're reading the place quite closely, Hortensis.

 

Fine, it might do some good. However, it's rather speculative to assume one knows what others are "feeling."

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Response to senz (Reply #61)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:10 PM

68. Unfortunately, it's no longer entertaining in a

fascinating way now that the owner has been forced put an end to most of the rioting on the "third way" forum. I had discovered it about the time the primary was winding down when someone posted what was happening over there in that one subforum.

For a while, though, I found genuinely fascinating all the seething acting out with Hillary derangement syndrome totally off the leash, evil Democratic plots, the theft of the election and other even more convoluted and amazing conspiracy theories about everything from Benghazi to treason, how Chelsea should be sent to prison, the "loyalty oath" we're all required to sign here at DU, whether referring to certain female politicians by obscene terms was insulting to others on the forum, etc, etc, etc.

I realize that stuff wasn't what you go there for, of course, and now that it's been suppressed I won't either. In any case, hope you and Cali and whomever have a nice time expressing yourselves in a more ideologically comfortable environment.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #68)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:13 PM

75. Well isn't that nice.

 

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #68)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:18 AM

98. Rioting?

Were there chairs thrown, Jon Ralston?

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Response to kiva (Reply #98)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:34 AM

99. Lol. Didn't notice any, but wild accusations

of evil Democratic Party-backed crimes and tales of personal persecution for being so committed to free speech and progressivism were flying everywhere.

As for Cali, many of her posts on GD were interesting and intelligent. It was the many on GD-P that would not have been missed. Given that, I wish Cali had felt a need to leave last summer and was actually returning now in GD mode. Maybe in a few months, or in the new year...?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #99)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:27 PM

114. I usually just visit JPR for the Satanic rituals and human sacrfices.

 

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:47 PM

113. And in real life you are called Hortensis?

 

Casual hypocrisy and projection.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:18 PM

140. What is your problem with "over there"? nt

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:00 PM

19. See ya.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:03 PM

21. bye josh- with respect and fondness, cali

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:25 PM

22. DU's loss cali.

I truly understand your decision though. Wish you the best in your future endeavors.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:34 PM

23. for you:



I guess I'll be seeing you elsewhere.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:37 PM

24. I wish you would stay, or at least return after the frustration over the primaries

loses its sharper edges. I too am a Bernie supporter, but I will avidly support Clinton against Trump.

I too feel frustrated that establishment Democrats ignore the way our elections are deformed and defrauded by unverifiable voting, myriad voter suppression tactics, gerrymandering, and other forms of election fraud, and I am sure it is a Faustian bargain made to protect themselves against challenges to their power.

But DU is still the site wehere I get the best information and where I find some of the best political commentary. I admit it devolves into name calling and flamebaiting more often than when I first joined 12 years ago, but I just click away from a thread when that happens.

This primary season has been brutal, no doubt. My greatest disappointment, though, is not that my preferred candidate lost. I have never hated Hillary. I just strongly preferred Bernie. I think Hillary is a good candidate--and so was Martin O'Malley.

What disappointed me was when some of the DU members whose posts I used to look for and read with pleasure started bating and deriding those of us who supported Bernie and calling us and our candidate nasty names. I was seriously surprised and disappointed when some of those DU members started spiking the ball and performing butt-wagging end zone dances after each state Hillary won and especially after she clinched the nomination.

They are people whose posts I have admired in the past, so I was shocked at how they behaved toward Bernie supporters and at the way they smeared the character and record of an honorable man.

Sure, there was similar viciousness against Hillary coming from the Bernie camp, but most of the unreasonably nasty posts against Hillary came from DU members who either had not been here long or whom I had not noticed much before, so their posts dfdfidn't disappoint me the way such comments did when they emanated from those whoise contributions here I had long admired.

The primaries always provoke intemperance, of course. I do thing moist of the vicious posts came from a small but passionate cadre on each side, but since they posted such comments all the time, it made DU suck.

Understand, I am not complaining about honest, reasonable concerns about or criticism of either candidate. I am referring only to the ugly name-calling and the smears directed at each candidate and his or her supporters.

I hope the new rules will declaw some of the most determinedly vicious commenters, and that pretty soon DU will start feeling more like it did before the primaries. As that happens, I hope more of those who are leaving will return.

I hope you will return.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:39 PM

25. Sorry to see you go.

 

We didn't always agree, but I was always interested in your opinion, which was well-expressed and sincere.

I hope you decide to return.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:48 PM

27. Best wishes to you Cali

 

May the wind be at your back and the fields green beneath your feet.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:03 PM

28. Well, hell.

I'm sorry to see this.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:18 PM

29. Do not doubt that you will be missed.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:27 PM

30. I'm new here, and don't know you, but I fail to see how removing oneself from a forum

helps them to advance their issues.

If one seeks only the counsel of the like-minded, their awareness will inevitably become narrower with time.

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Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:26 PM

144. It has already happened to me, and it's not like it doesn't happen elsewhere

unless you want an echo chamber, that's what a political board is going to be like.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:41 PM

33. I guess I'll just have to settle for hearing you on Thom Hartmann. But unfortunately you can't

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drop all the "fucks" and "bullshits" and such. Won't be the same.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:41 PM

34. Happy Trails, Cali

I've so enjoyed reading your posts here over the years. I'm sure I'll see you "over there".

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:42 PM

35. Bye!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:49 PM

37. I'm sorry you're not sticking around.

This place just keeps getting more RW. Maybe I'll check out the new place as well.

I'll certainly miss you around here.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:52 PM

38. We supported different candidates. but I never cared about that.

Enjoyed your posts.

I LOVE that poem, btw. One of my all-time favorites.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:53 PM

39. I always found your posts to be worth reading

I left quietly. The hatefulness and silencing of dissension were not here in 2008.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:07 PM

40. I'd tell you how I felt about this but I don't feel comfortable speaking my mind here either

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Response to Cary (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:16 PM

46. cali has never been tombstoned on DU, much less twice.

She is/was a good DUer who brought much discussion to the table.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #46)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:59 PM

51. Whatever

You would look better if you had your facts straight once, much less twice.

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Response to Cary (Reply #51)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:30 AM

154. Do you know what being "tombstoned" means?

 

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #154)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:59 PM

168. Do you know what demiblue was doing?

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Response to Cary (Reply #168)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:00 PM

172. Do you know what deflection is?

 

Buh bye.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #172)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:24 PM

174. You don't know what you stepped into

Or you're pretending not to know.

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Response to Cary (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:31 AM

180. +1000

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:08 PM

41. Fare well, cali

 

All the best.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:11 PM

43. Bye.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:11 PM

44. I am not sure which camp you feel I fall. Hopefully more friend than foe.

I wish you the best and wish you would stay, but given the circumstances, I also completely understand.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:03 PM

53. ah, my friend. hope that settles it.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:13 PM

45. We've had some ups and downs, I am sorry to see you decide this place is no longer friendly.

 

Hope to catch you on another forum sometimes.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:45 PM

47. I understand the eggshells bit, I think everyone is feeling their way around. It seems like we went

from one extreme - full on personal attacks as the norm and active posters with 17 hides to another - no transparency and very stilted conversations. I don't know what the right answer was, but I'm not sure this is it. We'll see.

I am sorry to see you go. I'm kind of surprised you would find JPR a comfortable home as they are not the free speech zone they seem to think they are. They restrict speech about Bernie, but it's cool if you want to call Hillary a c*nt.

Good luck, I'll miss your voice.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #47)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:25 PM

85. It's pretty sad if civility seems too difficult for some.

 

It never should have reached the extreme where it was the wild west in personal attacks.

It wasn't debate anymore, it was smearing.

*Note, I'm not directing this towards you, seaglass, but just adding my thoughts onto yours.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 04:18 PM

186. What is JPR?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:46 PM

48. Bye, Felicia.

 



(mods, I say this on every Goodbye DU thread. It's a joke)

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:59 PM

52. bye... better luck in another forum

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:13 PM

54. Sorry to see you go Cali.

I don't always agree with you but I always enjoy your view of things and you have changed my way of thinking on some things the past couple of years. I really hope you come back at some point.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:14 PM

55. Sorry to see you leave.

I've always enjoyed reading your posts. Illegitimi non carborundum...

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:21 PM

56. See you on the other side!

So to speak.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:27 PM

57. I am sorry to see

you leave too, Cali.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:49 PM

59. We don't always see eye to eye, and I will be sorry to see you go because you are a valuable member.

Some have mentioned in this thread you would be going over to JPR, and while that is your choice, I would be very disappointed.

JPR is a sexist hate site, where they freely call Hillary the "c" word, and make comments about Hillary such as: "If there's any cosmic justice, she will just stroke out"

I really viewed you so much higher than that garbage over.

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Response to still_one (Reply #59)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:10 PM

67. Cali and I used to disagree all the time

but she's part of DU- we can disagree.

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Response to malaise (Reply #67)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:14 PM

69. I agree. If she leaves DU shel'l be missed because whether I agreed with the points made or

not, they got me thinking

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Response to still_one (Reply #59)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:57 PM

72. I wrote a few days ago that I pitied any woman who participated in a site

 

that allowed women to be called the "c" word.

How can one be taken seriously?

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #72)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:16 PM

76. Of course I agree.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #72)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:20 PM

78. +1, and open threads with wishes that Hillary be led away in handcuffs while

on stage at the Convention. How absolutely ridiculous and just plain laughable. Pitiful. Impossible to take seriously, but it's been that way for a while....

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #72)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:42 PM

82. +1

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Response to Post removed (Reply #90)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:18 PM

132. And that's exactly right. I had a post hidden in the AA forum where I referred to the losing

candidate's really spectacularly horrible outreach to the black community. There was no attack, just a post discussing what happened during the election and that was hidden as "rehashing the primaries."

Well, when one of the folks that was in the primaries hasn't even conceded, then how can they truly be over? And there is a profound difference between "rehashing the primaries" through attacking and insulting candidates and discussing how things could have been handled differently. The fact that suddenly this is no longer allowed here is incredibly telling and beyond pathetic, imho.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #84)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:37 AM

95. We are all going to walk on eggshells until the new site rules smooth out, and

 

I would appeal any hidden post as a matter of course. Absolutely, just to get admin's thoughts on it.

The post mortem of the BS campaign is inevitable. Alerting to make it go away won't succeed. But some people have to learn that.

As for people's priorities, I am sad for any woman who thinks that progressive goals are furthered on sites where the "c" word is used to describe women. What I would tell those women is:

"Leave those men to their sausagefest and masturbatory echo chamber. They have issues with the women in their lives, and you should not have to be a stand in for other relationships. Their flaccid rhetoric and impotent rage is not advancing your political agenda. Unless, of course, you find value in engaging with such people. You are responsible for yourself."

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #95)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:15 PM

129. I'm sad for any man who is okay with that kind of language used against any woman.

What makes me sadder is that a friend of mine is one.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #129)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:33 AM

155. It wasn't gender specific with those who utilized that word. That doesn't make it any less

repulsive, and in some respects makes it that much sadder

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Response to still_one (Reply #155)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:38 AM

156. IMO, it shows a definite lack of enlightenment, despite all the protests to the contrary.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #156)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:26 AM

160. I agree. On a different note, I am very impressed that you are a great aunt of triplets. WOW!!!

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Response to still_one (Reply #160)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:30 AM

161. Thanks! Of course, I personally had nothing to do with it.

Hard to believe that they're already 15 and the two boys are both taller than me (I'm 5' 10". My other niece has twin girls, who are now five, so we are replete with multiples.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #161)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:58 AM

163. They grow up too quickly

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Response to still_one (Reply #163)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:00 PM

164. They certainly do.

The triplets are currently learning to drive, which is hard for all of us to believe.

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Response to still_one (Reply #59)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:28 PM

86. JPR is *much* more than a site that calls Hillary the c-word.

It's also a site that calls Elizabeth Warren the c-word. Ever since she endorsed Hillary, that is.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #86)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:28 AM

94. JPR is mental masturbation for distinct trolls who haven't changed much since the frat house.

 

These trolls wouldn't have the courage to call the women in their lives such words....so their online bravery is all the more pathetic.

What could be more cowardly than masking themselves with anonymity to use vulgar language against women who would make them shrivel with one glare?

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #94)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:08 PM

145. Seriously? You try and equate JPR with those who hate women yet so many women have decided to move

from DU?

Do you believe YOUR words so are clever and that women will think otherwise and will continue to stay the course? Many women have disagreed and will disagree with your disparaging and unsubstantiated claims?

Oh my, just try and put every person into some pigeon hole according to gender as many have tried to do with race and age. Do you ever try and read and reflect on what you write?


"JPR is mental masturbation for distinct trolls who haven't changed much since the frat house.

These trolls wouldn't have the courage to call the women in their lives such words....so their online bravery is all the more pathetic.

What could be more cowardly than masking themselves with anonymity to use vulgar language against women who would make them shrivel with one glare?"





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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #145)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:39 AM

157. I equate any person who feels the need to use such vulgarity against any woman, as pathetic and

sad

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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #145)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:05 AM

178. Are women allowed to be called gendered slurs there?

If it's allowed then shame on everyone.

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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #145)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:57 AM

183. Yes. Being a woman, I am well- used to some women

 

participating in their own oppression.

And yes... If you think the c word is an acceptable moniker to use against women, then you hate women.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #86)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:04 AM

177. I am REALLY glad I have never once looked at that site



I have a huge problem with people who would call Ann Coulter or Sarah Palin that word, or any gendered slur tbh.

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Response to still_one (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:53 AM

101. It's funny how people purport to oppose censorship and then flock to a site

 

where they explicitly ban mainstream partisan Democrats.

JPR will be an interesting experiment after the convention. I predict much infighting given the personalities involved over there.


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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #101)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:07 AM

179. That ALWAYS happens on any offshoot "protest board"

Not just for DU, but any. I've seen it happen to protest RUNNING boards. The she;f life i, at most, a few months before horrible infighting starts.

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Response to still_one (Reply #59)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:26 AM

152. "Some" may have said, she didn't.

 

So why are you using the past tense?

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #152)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:41 AM

158. I haven't read every comment in this thread

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Response to still_one (Reply #158)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:05 PM

173. imho, it would have been better if you had.

 

imho, this is why cali felt she was walking on eggshells.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:33 PM

62. LOL

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:14 PM

146. Typical of you! Nt

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:37 PM

63. Glad you'll have a place to speak more openly, cali.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:44 PM

64. I'm genuinely sorry to see you go.

I'm one that likes Skinner's new focus on civility. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how that is a big issue for you. You post a lot of good, substantive posts. Sure you may get an occasional hide but that is because you are passionate. I hope you haven't gotten hides due to the new changes, I certainly wouldn't include you as one of the really nasty posters around here that the new rules are aimed at.

The sad thing? The a-holes with 17 hides in 90 days will still be here, until Skinner gives them the boot. I just juried one of those. It wasn't close. I'm betting that at least 12 of his 17 hides weren't close. THAT'S who the new rules are aimed at. Not you.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:02 PM

65. .

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:11 PM

73. see you after the election

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:13 PM

74. I'm sorry to see you go.

I hope that you too have a nice summer and that we'll see you back during campaign time. *hugs*

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:17 PM

77. Thanks for the great insights - best wishes.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:59 PM

79. Well damn it all anyway Cali. I'm going to miss your posts and insight.

 

Godspeed, Cali.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:03 PM

80. Be well, cali.

You won't be forgotten.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:27 PM

81. You enrich the conversation here.

Sorry to see you leave.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:47 PM

83. Via con Dios.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:29 PM

87. ..

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:01 AM

88. Hi Cali - I'm stayin' and fightin'

yup

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:58 AM

89. Be well. There will be better days.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:05 AM

91. I enjoyed our agreements and our disagreements. You will be greatly missed. Diversity

of liberal opinion is a great thing ar DU. It will be reduced by your absence.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:15 AM

92. Well I'm staying...

but I don't plan on being monogamous. I won't worry much bout breaking egg shells. As you point out, there are other place to be. I expect to still run into you.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:27 AM

93. Bye. nt

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:44 AM

96. meh

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:50 AM

97. I'm not going to miss you.

 

I'll see you on JPR.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #97)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:34 PM

122. It's a nice site. It's sad that some are unable to

 


converse with progressives there without going apeshit here.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:49 AM

100. Meh, I prefer a site where people don't root for Trump to defeat Clinton while calling

 

Clinton and Elizabeth Warren the B-word and the C-word.

But I guess you have different standards.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #100)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:32 PM

115. this. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #100)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:19 PM

121. And Putin and Assad are seen as good guys.

The Trump humping there is enlightening.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #121)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:37 PM

124. At least they're not doing it here anymore.

 

I'm worried that the people saying they'll vote Trump to stop her, calling her Hitlery and a C@nt will return here.

They have a place all of their own, they should stay there.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #124)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:41 PM

125. If they do come back, the new ToS should take care of that.

I could say more, but I won't.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #125)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:42 PM

126. brace yourself for an influx of CONCERN

 

being expressed in August.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #126)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:46 PM

127. Yes, I anticipate that.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #126)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:41 AM

196. And in November

After Hillary wins we will have an influx of new members who know with the lingo and sound familiar.

And they will be welcome.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #100)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:00 AM

176. As opposed to a site where people were actively plotting to PPR DUers?

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #176)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:41 AM

182. I never participated in such a site nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #100)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:38 PM

188. Makes me wonder why?

How does that fit into one's political ideology and especially a seemingly intelligent woman who would tolerate that language directed toward other women. JPR has become a place where the echo chamber of hate has become the norm and intelligent discourse and respect has gone to die.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:17 AM

103. Thankfully, DU is about far more than the presidential election

it dominates at this time of year to be sure for obvious reasons, but there's so much discussion to be had in so many areas that leaving the whole thing because of one area always cracks me up.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:27 AM

104. That's a big loss for this community.

Thanks for the many insights, laughs, and wisdom.

A big tree falls, and the woods are lessened.

See you in the sky above, etc. Wishing you very well. I hope you return one day. Aloha no.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:47 AM

105. We didn't always agree, but I respected your opinions.

 

Peace.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:13 PM

108. I'm sorry you've made this decision and a little

surprised at where you've decided to go. But I wish you the best,to each her own.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:55 PM

111. See you on the other side, cali...

...and what a lovely farewell message... Sometimes it just is time to move on.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:56 PM

112. You have a lovely summer, too.

DU will be poorer without you.

-- Mal

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:44 PM

116. Man, I hate that.

Early on, years ago, when I delurked someone posted a poll about who their favorite DUer was. I responded 'cali' without hesitation because I loved the passion you brought with you in every post, many of which I disagreed with, many of which I agreed with. But I love people who just put it out there without fear or favor. Take care and thanks for all the wonderful contributions.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:20 PM

117. Tis not farewell...

 

See you over there!



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Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:47 PM

128. I know you're committed to leaving, cali, but I hope you'll return

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It's hard--no, imposible--to find a site quite like this one.

And it's always good to leave your options open.

You know you'll always have my best wishes, in any case.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:22 PM

130. You were one of the voices who convinced me I didn't have to settle and switched to Bernie.



Thank you, Cali.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:19 PM

133. I regret that I'm a day late in seeing this - I hope I'm not too late to wish you well.

I know I didn't get along with you very well, way back when you first showed up here, but over the ensuing years I have come to appreciate and respect you highly. I hope I eventually came to be numbered among your friends.

Wishing you all the best - I will miss you.

Peace,
sw

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:05 PM

135. I surely wish you'd hang in.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:13 PM

136. Oh no! This is getting sad.

I'll miss you.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:31 PM

142. I read every single post and I'm sad

for DU without you. I'll see you elsewhere, but, unlike you, I'm not nearly ready to leave here. There's way too much news and science, and far too many laughs, and I couldn't get through the day without checking in on my atheist group. Good luck. Here's to a huge Democratic victory in November, from top to bottom. That's all that counts any more.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:44 PM

143. It's been a *long* time (years) coming for a GBCW forum/group.

Also, one titled, "DU was better back at some previous date."

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:15 AM

149. Really sorry to hear this

You were one of the posters that I most respected.

If your reason is what I'm guessing it might be, it would be hypocritical for me to blame you, given that the reason that I joined DU in the first place is that in 2004 I found no political party home in my own country.

But I hope we may meet again here one day!

All the best from across the pond.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:13 AM

151. Cali nooooo

 

We don't always agree but don't go!! We need everyone!!!!!! All voices should be heard!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:21 AM

159. DU's loss, JPR's gain! All the best and brightest are moving there

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Response to Arazi (Reply #159)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:50 AM

162. I read through some threads there and "best and brightest" definitely weren't the words that came

to mind.

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Response to WhollyHeretic (Reply #162)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:26 PM

166. LOL

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:27 PM

167. At this rate I'll be the longest active member left pretty soon...

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:04 PM

169. This post hidden due to rudeness and incivility

Lol area woman

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:32 PM

171. Will miss you and your OPs. Come back after the election.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:38 AM

181. In other words take your ball and go home?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 02:54 PM

184. Wish you the best. Your viewpoint is important and will be missed.

I'd read your posts based just on you being the post-er, never mind the subject/title.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 10:01 PM

187. sorry to see you go..best wishes today and always..

Good Luck....

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 05:50 PM

189. well, i hope, like many, this place continues to pull at you.

it's a pretty hard habit to break.
i will miss you.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:47 AM

190. Hey cali, I understand. Safe travels.



The time will come when I too will move on.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:09 PM

191. Let us know when you get tired of dealing with stuff like this...

 

http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/yes-i-prefer-democrats-win-in-november/

The responses to you in particular and the kind of debate those folks engage in generally is exactly why I am happy they are no longer here.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:41 PM

192. Cali, there is no reason for you to deal with non-stop hate that makes you uncomfortable

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #192)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:06 AM

194. Yeah, I don't get it, either.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #192)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:55 AM

197. That site is now

Filled with the "anyone but Hillary" crowd the used to post here as the anti Obama, and then started the "anyone but Hillary" crap. It was started to get people to NOT vote for Hillary, and now the vast majority over there are NOT real supporters of Bernie, and they never were. I hope the sane ones can see through the con job and leave before they become one of the haters.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:07 AM

195. I agree with your sentiments in the JPR OP linked above by Steven.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#00009d]I loved Bernie, I didn't hate Hillary. I disagreed with her STRONGLY on many issues. But I didn't hate her, and I support the democratic party.

And I do feel strongly that Trump and the Republican party must be stopped.

That is why I won't be posting over there for the foreseeable future.[/font]

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