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Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:37 AM

 

No Consensus Among Americans on Gun Control, WSJ/NBC News Poll Shows

About half of those polled favor assault-weapons ban, but nearly half of those polled believe ban would be ineffective



No clear consensus on gun control in the U.S. has emerged in the wake of this month’s mass shooting in Orlando, Fla., as divisions remain over whether the federal government should move to limit people’s access to firearms, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows. In the survey, which was conducted after the shooting, 50% of registered voters said they were concerned the government will go “too far” in curtailing the people’s right to own guns. By contrast, 47% said they worry the government won’t do enough to regulate the ability to get guns. Those numbers are comparable to results from six months ago.

On a separate question, about half of the people polled favor a ban on assault weapons. The survey showed that 51% favored a ban on the set of semiautomatic firearms commonly called assault weapons, while 31% were opposed. A total of 18% had no opinion. In a 2009 poll, the number in favor of a ban was nearly the same, but 45% opposed a ban, with 6% undecided. In 1990, a ban on semiautomatic weapons and assault weapons proved significantly more popular, as nearly three-out-of-four people polled said they were in favor of it.

Even on the matter of assault weapons, the poll numbers showed a lack of confidence regarding whether a ban would prevent future tragedies. When asked if a ban on such weapons would be worthwhile because it might save lives, 45% of those polled said “yes.” Meanwhile, 49% of those polled believed a ban wouldn't be worth it because attackers would get the weapons anyway.

The poll’s findings underscore the ambivalence in the country about gun rights and use. Both presumptive presidential nominees have seized on the gun issue. Democrat Hillary Clinton has called for stricter gun laws, while Republican Donald Trump has sought to portray Mrs. Clinton as an opponent of Second Amendment gun rights. House Democrats staged a 26-hour sit-in on the House floor last week as part of the party’s push to force a vote on some gun-control measures. It isn’t clear, though, that either party will be able to capitalize politically on the issue, given the sharp divisions surrounding guns.



Complete article at http://www.wsj.com/articles/no-consensus-among-americans-on-gun-control-wsj-nbc-news-poll-shows-1466946002

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Reply No Consensus Among Americans on Gun Control, WSJ/NBC News Poll Shows (Original post)
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Warpy Jun 2016 #10
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #2
still_one Jun 2016 #3
hack89 Jun 2016 #5
still_one Jun 2016 #21
hack89 Jun 2016 #23
still_one Jun 2016 #24
MohRokTah Jun 2016 #30
still_one Jun 2016 #36
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Lurks Often Jun 2016 #46
TeddyR Jun 2016 #65
still_one Jun 2016 #66
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still_one Jun 2016 #39
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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:43 AM

1. Why don't I

believe this? Does the nra own wsj?

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:49 AM

4. It is in line with historic polling data going back decades

It is an issue that Gallop has been tracking for a very long time.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:57 AM

10. No, but Rupert Murdoch does

Previous polls have shown that even gun owners overwhelmingly support closing the gun show loophole on background checks and enacting no fly-no buy. They are less enthusiastic about a semi auto ban.

There is broad consensus on the former two, the latter is far less sure.

The headline is bogus. The poll likely is, also.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:44 AM

2. Ban the weapon that kills fewer people than knives...that'll solve the problem

 

if the media were honest people would know murders by rifle have dropped and stand around 250/yr.
Knives are used to kill over 1000.
More people are beaten to death.
Even shotguns are used to kill more people

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:49 AM

3. Knives or pistols don't take out 20 plus people at a time in a very short time. An assault rifle

has one purpose, to kill people

There are plenty of other rifles and guns that are used by hunters

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:51 AM

5. So if those 20 deaths were spread out a little

You wouldn't be calling for a ban?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:47 PM

21. There is no need for civilians to have assault weapons. Their major purpose is to kill people

That is their main function

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Response to still_one (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:07 PM

23. So tens of millions of rifles kill a couple of hundred people every year?

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sure looks like they are being used for many things besides killing people. My four rifles are used for competitive target shooting.

Is the purpose of every type of gun to kill people?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:38 PM

24. Other rifles have other purposes, assault weapons purpose is to kill people

I have never been with a hunter who used an AR15 to hunt deer

The facts are that there were less mass murders before the assault weapon ban I as left to expire.

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Response to still_one (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:15 PM

30. The purpose of every firearm ever manufactured is to kill.

 

Everything else is secondary.

We currently have a constitutionally guaranteed right to arm ourselves with tools that have a primary design to kill.

I support the ENTIRE constitution. I oppose all current attempts to amend the constitution.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:24 PM

36. A shot gun is primarily to hunt ducks. A deer rifle is primarily to hunt deer. An assault rifle is

primarily to kill people, and it's automatic and semi automatic capability makes that killing so much easier

We aren't going to agree on this Moh. I don't subscribe that the second amendment allows for civilians to own any type of weapon. If that wasn't the case, machine guns would be legal

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Response to still_one (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:26 PM

37. Primarily to kill people? So why are shotguns killing more people

 

than rifles?

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Response to still_one (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:28 PM

38. All shotguns and deer rifles were originally designed to kill people.

 

Blunderbusses and muskets were brought to the Americas in the first place to kill other humans.

The design is to kill.

Period.

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Response to still_one (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:50 PM

46. Machine guns are legal

 

just very expensive to own. Also legal are flamethrowers (https://throwflame.com/) and artillery pieces, which are even more expensive to own the machine guns.

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Response to still_one (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:47 PM

65. See, this is the problem

 

"it's automatic and semi automatic capability" - none of the rifles readily available today have automatic capability. None. Does that change your view or not? You can't have an honest productive discussion about firearm control if you are starting from a false premise.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #65)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:58 PM

66. The AR15 used in Orlando, approximately 2 shots/second were heard. Semi-automatic is quite

effective.

We aren't going to agree on Assault weapons.

Regardless, of how you and I feel, nothing is going to change regarding this anyway.

The only thing we are doing is having a discussion. It won't change anything

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Response to still_one (Reply #66)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:05 PM

70. Look

 

I think the Second Amendment protects an individual right, and I don't think that an assault weapons ban would have any demonstrable impact on firearms deaths. But if you really want to make any semi-auto firearm a bit less dangerous then pass a ban on magazine capacity, but even that would take years to have any real impact in light of the numbers of high-capacity mags on the market. I don't get the sense that representatives are focusing on this type of law, but instead want to pass an AWB even though most everyone agrees it would be pointless.

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Response to still_one (Reply #66)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:57 PM

82. Revolvers can shoot that fast

 

The difference is capacity

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Response to still_one (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:17 PM

32. shotguns kill more people than the rifles you want banned

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:30 PM

39. That isn't my point. Assault rifles only purpose is to kill people. Shot guns are not

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Response to still_one (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:32 PM

40. And yet fewer people are being killed with those scary looking rifles than

 

with the weapon you claim is for duck hunting(which involves killing)
Seems people have found other uses for both

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #40)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:04 PM

68. I am talking about mass shootings, I also am not talking about banning guns or rifles. We won't be

agree on this. Let me just say provide this link before we agree to disagree:

"the AR-15 is not ideal for the hunting and home-defense uses that the NRA’s Keene cited today. Though it can be used for hunting, the AR-15 isn’t really a hunting rifle. Its standard .223 caliber ammunition doesn’t offer much stopping power for anything other than small game. Hunters themselves find the rifle controversial, with some arguing AR-15-style rifles empower sloppy, “spray and pray” hunters to waste ammunition. (The official Bushmaster XM15 manual lists the maximum effective rate of fire at 45 rounds per minute.) As one hunter put it in the comments section of an article on americanhunter.org, “I served in the military and the M16A2/M4 was the weapon I used for 20 years. It is first and foremost designed as an assault weapon platform, no matter what the spin. A hunter does not need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt, if he does he sucks, and should go play video games. I see more men running around the bush all cammo'd up with assault vests and face paint with tricked out AR's. These are not hunters but wannabe weekend warriors.”"


http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/01/02/gun_control_ar_15_rifle_the_nra_claims_the_ar_15_rifle_is_for_hunting_and.html

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Response to still_one (Reply #68)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:11 PM

72. pistols are the weapon of choice in mass shootings.

 

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Every Town USA's study puts the use of "assault weapons" at 11%.

These AR variants have been used 4 times in the last 4 years....and the one in CO is questionable because the gun jammed and he started using his shotgun.

And ARs have a .308 variant which works just fine for hunting deer.

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Response to still_one (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:09 PM

83. If their only purpose to to kill people then there must be some serious flaws in the

ones on the market. Since so few of them actually shoot people (like more than 99.5%) looks like the people have found other purposes for them. I know that the ones I own (semi-automatic rifles) spend their shooting time on the range.

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:53 AM

7. The VPI shooter killed 32 with 2 pistols. 250 people a year are murdered with rifles

 

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shotguns kill more...

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:06 PM

26. Exactly, restrict them all. Keep one or two AT HOME for hunting.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:12 PM

27. Maybe VPI should have forbidden them on campus

 

oh...wait

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:02 PM

52. So how do you enforce that?

 

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:07 PM

54. Put up signs. Signs are Kryptonite to potential law breakers

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:11 PM

56. Oh yes, I should have known

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:24 PM

61. Hunting at home.

Exactly, restrict them all. Keep one or two AT HOME for hunting.

Lots of wild game at your house, is there?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #61)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:30 PM

62. That's another reason I have issues with gunners, intellect.

Put em in your trunk, go hunting, take them out of the trunk. Or as so many gunners here imply, they have 53 guns because they live on big acreage -- so walk out the back door, shoot a bear, skunk, possum, coyote, etc., and eat it. Are you a hunter? -- I'm talking "game," just so we are clear.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #62)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:34 PM

63. Aw, that's so adorable.

That's another reason I have issues with gunners, intellect.

Man who can't recognize sarcasm accuses perpetrator of being stupid ...

Are you a hunter? -- I'm talking "game," just so we are clear.

Clear? What else could you possibly be talking about, Hoyt?

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:54 AM

8. AR-15s (and rifles like it) are rapidly becoming one of the most popular hunting rifles in America.

 

And no, hunting with an AR-15 isn't any different than hunting with any other semiautomatic rifle. The hunter is typically restricted to using a 5 round magazine, just as he is when hunting with a more traditional-looking rifle.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:16 PM

31. It's a great firarm for introducing young people to the sport.

 

It's light. There is low recoil. It's easy to use.

Frankly, I cannot think of a better firearm for a person new to shooting to pick up.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:33 PM

41. What did they ever do before? A grand or more, with ammo that isn't cheap, pretty expensive

hobby

We are not going to agree on this.

Regardless, nothing is going to change anyway

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Response to still_one (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:39 PM

43. Usually introductions for youg people were .22 caliber rifles.

 

The lack of any real firepower, however, precluded those firearms from being used to hunt game like deer.

With an AR-15 firearm (Ruger mini-14 if there is an "Assault Weapons" ban, same functional firearm with a wood stock and no evil looking black pieces), young people can fully train on the weapon and use it for hunting wild game.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:13 PM

78. Not sure we need to introduce kids to guns, cigarettes, gas guzzlers, hatred, alcohol, etc.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #78)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:29 PM

79. Meh, I was introduced to firearms at 10.

 

I've been around them my entire life, including automatic firearms when I was in the United States Army. I was on my High School Rifle team and there was a time while I was in college when I was being considered for the US Biathalon team. Had I pursued that there was a chance to make it to the Olympics, but I was not a huge fan of cross country skiing. I only participated in the sport because of my love of shooting.

I also love competitive skeet shooting.

If you know and understand firearm safety, there aren't problems. The most healthy respect can be developed when you constantly treat all firearms as if they are loaded and ready to be fired, and that sort of discipline needs to be instilled from a young age.

In fact, I am a strong proponent of requiring a large amount of training and demonstrating knowledge of firearm safety in order to own a firearm.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #79)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:50 PM

85. Me well before then. But I grew up, thank god and no longer need that crud

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #85)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:52 PM

87. To each their own. It's a free country.

 

Including the freedom to keep and bear arms.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:52 AM

6. You're obviously misrepresenting the numbers

Ban the weapon that kills fewer people than knives...that'll solve the problem

That is so grossly dishonest that I can't imagine why you keep beating on that point. At minimum, there are probably 50X as many knives in this country as there are firearms, and knives are used daily in much greater numbers than are firearms. By any sane measure, knives have a much lower rate of lethality than firearms. This is an undeniable fact that you conveniently ignore because you think it serves your NRA-friendly agenda.

Why don't you give us a list of all of the world's armies that have abandoned firearms in favor the apparently much more deadly knife? That'll prove your point beyond doubt.

Actually, here's the statement that you should have made:
Enact tighter regulations upon the weapons that are proportionately responsible for vastly more deaths than knives, fists or blunt weapons... that'll be a step in the right direction.



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Response to Orrex (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:56 AM

9. Again with the ratios. Why can't you just admit to the fact that rifles

 

kill fewer people than beatings or knives or shotguns?

Facts are facts.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:17 PM

16. Because ratios are the essence of the matter, obviously

You want to pretend that the bottom-line number is the entirety of it, which is clearly not the case. Of course, that's only your preference for the moment, because you'll no doubt switch back to gun-advocates' beloved claim that the ridiculous number of guns in the country belies the relative lethality of those guns. You know how it goes: "There are 300M guns in this country and only 30,000 gun deaths per year. See? they're super safe!"

Gun-advocates can't have it both ways. If you want to stack the lethality of knives versus firearms, then there is no honest way to ignore the overall numbers of each relative to the overall numbers of deaths from each.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:36 PM

19. There you go, lumping suicides and accidents into the number again

 

more people are struck by lightning than murdered with a rifle.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:12 PM

28. I give you credit, Press Virginia

Weakest argument I have ever seen on DU yet you stick to it.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:14 PM

29. its only a weak argument to people who don't care about facts

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:17 PM

33. Almost 100 people a day are killed by firearms

Yet you think it is helpful to deflect that fact with an argument on rifles.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:19 PM

35. The OP addressed rifles. The push for AWBs address rifles

 

Why would handguns be relevant?

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:57 AM

11. Knives have another purpose.

Guns have no other purpose but to kill.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:01 PM

12. Obviously rifles are not doing their job when it comes to murdering people

 

shotguns are designed to kill and kill more people than rifles

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Response to Warpy (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:15 PM

14. Mine must all be defective

 

I guess I will have to get them checked out, thanks

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Response to Warpy (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:30 PM

17. I have never shot a living thing in 35 years of gun ownership

So no, guns do have other purposes besides killing.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:39 PM

20. I've shot a few ducks. That's about it.

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:11 PM

13. 51% to 31% is "no consensus?" Crap "WSJ loves NRA" distortion of the facts. Rupert strikes again.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:35 PM

42. Do you think 51% would support an AWB if they knew those guns arent

 

Used to kill many people

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #42)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:54 PM

47. Yes. Because they are commonly used for massacres. Most people consider massacres to be bad.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:58 PM

48. Commonly? And yet the death toll for ALL types of rifles is less than that

 

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of shotguns? 248 murders committed by people using any type of rifle.

Every Town USA's study shows "assault weapons" are used in 11% of mass shootings. "Commonly" doesn't quite fit the reality

More people are struck by lightning than murdered by scary looking rifles

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:02 PM

51. "Blablablablablatalkingpoint"

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Response to Squinch (Reply #51)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:05 PM

53. facts are facts. Your hysteria is unfounded

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #53)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:09 PM

55. "Blablablaanothertalkingpoint. Accusation of hysteria thrown in for good measure."

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Response to Squinch (Reply #55)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:17 PM

58. Poor thing. Embrace the truth.

 

Trying thinking rationally

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #58)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:19 PM

59. Try not trying.

 

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Response to Rex (Reply #59)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:05 PM

69. Good idea. There's some people you just can't reach.

 

facts don't matter when they contradict their irrational beliefs.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #58)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:35 PM

64. "Blablablapersonal insult based on nothing."

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Response to Squinch (Reply #64)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:15 PM

73. Based on nothing but your rejection of facts that contradict your belief

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #73)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:51 PM

74. "Blablablablablanothingmuchofanything."

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Response to Squinch (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:10 PM

84. They don't care what the data actually shows.

They make that obvious on a regular basis.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:16 PM

15. Well crafted pro-gun disinformation. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:31 PM

18. What do you think is the truth? nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:34 PM

80. You know...gangs of AR15's are pillaging the countryside

 

even though they've been used less that pistols in mass shootings and murders as a whole

More people have been struck by lightning than killed with AR style rifles

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:01 PM

22. How about smoking in restaurants?

When I was a kid coffee shops around here were very unpleasant places for non-smokers.

They still serve the same food today, but it tastes much better now that smoking in restaurants is prohibited.

Guns are a public health hazard, just as cigarettes are.

Anyone who encourages children to smoke is a monster.

It's the same with guns.




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Response to hunter (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:18 PM

34. You do not have a constitutionally guaranteed right to smoke tobacco. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:41 PM

44. The second amendment is bullshit.

An ugly relic of the 18th century just as slavery was.

It's always been about white guys with guns and the oppression of everyone else.

There's nothing sacred about the Constitution.

If the U.S.A. survives then the second amendment will be repealed or reinterpreted such that fools are separated from their guns.

I don't have to wait for that, however.

I'm free to call gun fetishists fools, mock people who carry guns for "self defense," criticize trigger-happy cops, and generally piss on guns and gun fetishes whenever I can.

Gun love is disgusting.

Guns are tools of death.


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Response to hunter (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:46 PM

45. If that's how you feel, then get the constitution amended.

 

All it takes are two-thirds of the House, two-thirds of the Senate, then three-fourths of all State Legislatures.

Or you could take the extremely dangerous route of two-thirds of all state legislatures agreeing on a Constitutional Convention by passing bills doing so with identical language and risk that convention of the states throwing out the entire constitution and writing something completely new. Regardless, you will still require three-fourths of all state legislatures to buy into whatever comes out of that constitutional convention to get your way.

The constitution still had to have the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments in order to fully abolish slavery, and it took another 150 years for the nation to advance to where we are today.

So you'd better get to work on that.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:58 PM

49. Be afraid for your guns.

Smoking is a similar public health problem. When I was a kid it was everywhere.

Now it's not.

Same with drunk driving. People used to brag about how well they could drive drunk.

Now they don't.

Piss on guns. The second amendment as you interpret it is going away.

Gun love is not a progressive issue.

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Response to hunter (Reply #49)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:00 PM

50. There is no constitutionally guaranteed right to smoke or to drink and drive.

 

So good luck with that.

Thinking you can remove three hundred million firearms from the citizenry is sillier than the anti-immigrant xenophobes thinking they can deport 11 million human beings!

It is those who demand all guns be grabbed who insure that the majority of gun owners do not ally with those who would attempt to pass reasonable legislation.

Really, you harm your own cause with such silliness.

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Response to hunter (Reply #49)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:59 PM

67. If our representatives get their act together and pass laws that are supported by a vast majority

 

Like universal background checks then fine. I can live with that. But I'll actively oppose any attempt to ban or confiscate firearms, which I think has little chance of ever happening. And as others have mentioned, an "assault weapons ban" would have almost zero impact on firearm deaths.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:00 PM

25. "Leglislation" Really, WSJ? n/t

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:15 PM

57. any poll that has the WSJ

Rupert Murdoch WSJ is C R A P.
Most polls are crap but this one rises to the top
at least until the next FAUX news poll.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:20 PM

60. Their Clinton/Trump numbers are way out of whack with other polls, so I'd suggest taking

their other numbers with a grain of salt.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:07 PM

71. Lulz!

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:02 PM

75. Did the NRA send out some kind of bat signal today? The gun boys seem to be all a-twitter.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #75)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:04 PM

76. it's part of their paranoia

they're hysterical someone will try to take away their toys

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Response to Skittles (Reply #76)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:13 PM

77. But why so cranky today, I wonder?

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:52 PM

86. Only here it feels like 2A is some sort of R/D dividing line.

The reality is far from it.

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